Friday, August 11, 2006

Podcast on Military Affairs around the World

Military experts Jim Dunnigan of Strategy Page and Colonel Austin Bay join us again today to discuss important events around the world from the recent London terror threats to the Israeli/Lebanon conflict to the war in Ethiopia and Somalia. I found it a fascinating discussion--particularly the part where Austin and Jim talk about how police methods used for catching terrorists are similar to that used in organized crime.

You can listen to the podcast by clicking here or via iTunes. Here is a dial-up version for those without high-speed internet. If you want to check out our previous podcasts--go to politicscentral.com.

34 Comments:

Anonymous Terry said...

I didn't see Glenn give two or three days notice on your upcoming guests.

You said you would consider taking questions from the viewers before you interviewed you guest. This was after the puff interview you guys did with John McCain.

Did you use questions from viewers?

11:12 PM, August 11, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

well since all the panic, and chaos these people have caused, by effectively not doing anything, i would say they won..

terrorism is there to cause fear and chaos. and guess what the security forces have done.. create fear and chaos.. essentially the sercurity agencies are doing the terrorists job..

the moment you let terrorists make you change your life. is the moment they have won.

look at london shut down completely, birmigham delays 2 hours, manchester 40 mins.

flights to the Uk delayed or cancelled. business people cant use the flight to work, or read, cant take personal cd players, cant take books, this is not a long term solution, people will stop flying, airlines will raise prices, more people will stop flying, companies go bust..

and people lose their jobs.. this is long term, but a possibility. so who has actually won, i agree there should be security, visible security, but when it casues the same things as terrorists would, thats when you should stop and think.

they allowed people with babies on, if i was a bad guy i would find a way to put stuff in the kids nappies..

6:07 AM, August 12, 2006  
Blogger MEC2 said...

"when it causes the same thing as terrorists would, thats when you should stop and think".

Security measures are causing the detonation of explosives mid-flight taking thousands of lives? Or were the first folks at the airport after the plot was exposed forced to throw out a half used tube of Crest toothpaste and a Starbucks Grand Latte they wanted to carry on?

When you post, THAT'S when you should stop and think.

"the moment you let terrorists make you change your life, is the moment they have won."

WHAT? This tired meme needs exposing once and for all. Sonic restaurant didn't win the moment they took breakfast fruit taquitos off the menu, making me change my life, Exxon doesn't win everytime I decide to carpool instead of drive myself. I guess Germany won World War II, because we were forced to use drawstrings instead of elastic in clothing and had to ration aluminum... jeez louise...

If Ben Franklin were alive today, he'd surely revise his quote - "those willing to sacrifice security to preserve convenience deserve neither and will surely lose both".

MEC2
P.S. The terrorists win when they blow people up. Not when we fight them, either by taking prudent security steps, or by taking the battle to them.

9:18 AM, August 12, 2006  
Blogger Pat said...

Your XML feed has several errors that will prevent some aggregators from downloading the podcast. I checked it with feedvalidator.org and it does not validate. To see a list of the errors, go to:

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10:32 AM, August 12, 2006  
Blogger Helen said...

Terry,

We never said we would solicit questions--we said we would consider it--part of the problem is that we do not have control over whether or not our guests can do the show. Think about it, we get questions from readers and then our guests have to cancel because of their schedule etc. and those who asked questions wonder what happened. I hear resentment in your comment tone over how we interviewed McCain--puff piece and all. My suggestion--contact McCain's office yourself, do the podcast your way and Glenn and I will gladly comment on your blog and critique how well we think you did.

11:22 AM, August 12, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

Mec2 you just don’t understand do you

Take it from someone who has suffered over 30 years of terrorism, yes over 30, the ira, sin fein, the real ira who are blowing people up NOW, terrorists want to cause fear, look at the word terrorism , you cant have terrorism without terror.

Now if they want to create chaos and fear, they don’t even have to do it anymore, just have to say they will. And the security forces will do it for them.. Terrorists don’t really want to kill when they don’t have too, why should they kill when the FEAR of the threats will do it for them.

And mec its TRUE , terrorists rely on you caving in to push their beleifs, if you are scared you will submit. Do you know the irish terrorists were fundraising the day after 9/11, in america..

Don’t talk to me about terror I have lived with the feeling of being KILLED every day for as long as I have lived, you try living like that, you will soon say sod these idiots, if I took notice of all the terror they want to put on us, I would live under the stairs, and not move. Is that any sort of life.

And saying we should take it to them, like they did in afghanistan, where the taliban is back, iraq, where our peace causes terrorist attacks and suicide bombs..

Yes really clever, you are creating terror, by over reacting, even if there was no plot, you have made so many more people scared. This is what they want. You to run scared, which is exactly what your doing. So who has made more TERROR. Yes be prudent, be aware, but tell these idiots, that they wont win, not because of the so called moral reasons, but because we wont let these slimes win at all.. the best revenge is to live our lives.

Does that explain it MEC. Oh btw, the real IRA are still blowing up people making bombs, and creating terror. And I LIVE IT. Not you.. I have lived it. And know far more than most americans.

1:38 PM, August 12, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

look what happened in ireland when we sent the troops in, more murders and deaths, and fire bombing of schools and children. yes lets go get them, create martyrs, and more terror will occur, then send more. but then again america has never been attacked b4 9/11 since pearl harbour.. remember the bay of pigs and the cuban missile crisis, how much fear it caused.. they didnt have to send the missiles up, did they.. thats what terrorism really is.. look to the irish history, you will see the moment security over rides human rights and human freedoms, and causes you to run scared into the fall out shelters.. is the moment when they win , because FEAR is what they wish.. .

i am a british citizen who was nearly blown up twice in my life. but at the last minute i cancelled my trip.. i live with it, i still love, laugh, and live.. not oh i cant go out incase the bombers get me..

so mec do NOT lecture me on terrorism, or terrorist attacks. i have MORE experience of the effects of the fear that you ever could. .

1:48 PM, August 12, 2006  
Anonymous British Citizen said...

extremes terrorism in any form that is.anThe Irish people asked Britain to assist them in the fight against terrorists (their own people) in 1969 and the whole thing escalated out of control and they are still killing one another and targetting mainland Britain.

We have lived with terrorism all this time following on from us being bombed during WW2, you Americans cannot even begin to understand how that felt. You have have no invasion of your mainland till the tragedy of the Twin Towers, You cannot for one minute say you understand about it.

Another thing that needs to be said, the day after the Towers people were collecting for Noraid and other societies in the New York Pubs and Bars (perpetuating terrorism which has been going on for a very long time)

Having been involved in bombings (IRA) on several occasions and being evacuated from terriorist car bombs in the area and packages left where they could kill or harm women and children in the shops. I don't give in to terrorism at all, I go back to those areas and live my life not the life that they would like us to lead.

Too much over reaaction is bad for everyone.

I hear more wailing and whining about the American personal liberties stuff at being processed through your own airports than enough. You wouldn't be able to cope in a real situation.

Terrorism requires people to be afraid and to stop people going about their normal business.

If you let that affect you they have WON. because they have caused the chaos and mayhem they set out to do.Even if no one dies in alleged attacks the reactions cause the same fear and terror that they wanted to cause by making the threats in the first place.

I am NOT afraid of them I will NOT allow them to make me feel afraid.
I deliberately went to London and travelled on the underground after those bombings for that reason no one on this earth stops me from doing what I want and when I want.

They are evil people and by supporting that terrorism it is equally guilty of that terrorism.

2:44 PM, August 12, 2006  
Blogger MEC2 said...

What a pile of insufferable limey whining - replete with historical error and hysterical bleating.

Let's get this straight - nobody knows the troubles you've seen there in the UK, because occassionally the IRA blows up a trash can in Belfast - even though the Oklahoma City bombing killed more people than every IRA bombing of the last 30 years COMBINED. Yes, do tell us Americans again how we don't know anything about terrorism.

What that a polite Irish voice called in a warning to say "Cheerio, we'll be blasting the Murrah building today old chap" to allow us to evacuate.

And since we've exposed the "terrorists win" meme, we'll step up to the plate and tackle the "creating more terrorists" meme as well. Which came first, the terrorist or the provocation? And did you simply read from the terrorist accomodation handbook the notion that but for Western meddling Hezbollah and Al Qaeda would be knitting wool blankets for the poor? Preposterous on it's face, and craven in it's inability to create any moral clarity.

Islam has been spreading itself by the sword for 1500 years, but we all had it coming...

This isn't a contest as to who is more familiar with terrorism. Perhaps instead of creating a triumphal banner of your victimhood, you should help take up the fight against these people... no enemy was ever defeated by collective handwringing.

3:44 PM, August 12, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

ah the good old limey baiting, terrorism is there to cause fear, thats the essence of it, have you had to personally live with being killed for over 30 years.. by bombs, no.. the best thing is to laugh at these people and say, they are pathetic, they are losers, and to get them to change your life, means they have had an effect on you, you have to show them you arent going to be bothered.

its not just trashcans, its car bombs, its petrol bombing school children, its blowing up the centre of manchester, the centre of warrington.

the MOMENT you let terrorists change how you live, then you agree to their terms..

sheesh mec. you are a typical short sighted force means everything american. force only breeds more force. we lived it and seen the effects.. are you saying petrol bombing and burning children is ok.. because you suffered oklahoma, and the 2 towers.. you cant see it because you dont want too

4:10 PM, August 12, 2006  
Anonymous elephant said...

what a typical response, they don't blow up trash cans in Belfast they kill innocent people in England, this is the limit of your knowledge of historical fact.

Oklohoma bombing was bad but nothing like the suffering that has had to be endured in England.

You are totally wrong, in fact you have supported the terrorists petrol bombing little children simply because they have to walk past houses where people of a different religion live in them.

You are always the same, we are not Limey's and another thing, you are always late 3 years late coming into WW1 2 years late into WW2 and now 30 years later in sorting out the people who are openly supported in their acts of terrorism.

You appear to have a victim mentality. 3 terrorist attempts for USA over 300 UK. is this a race or something every single one is an act of violence, do you think that a single act of violence is greater than a multitude of violent attacks over a period of years, and never knowing when these cowards are going to strike because they just leave cars loaded with explosives to case as much death and destruction as they can.

Yet these people are applauded for fighting for their freedom and given money and weapons in order to carry it out.

terrorist acts are the same whether they are done by Muslims. IR., Police and individuals they are all the same preying on peoples FEAR. You don't know what FEAR really is.

4:42 PM, August 12, 2006  
Blogger Bob said...

Thank you for these podcasts, and this one in particular. Man, I learn a lot from these guys. I stand in awe of their intelligence (mostly in the military sense, but also in the IQ sense). Thanks.

5:21 PM, August 12, 2006  
Anonymous Trevor said...

@ Mec2
"What a pile of insufferable limey whining - replete with historical error and hysterical bleating. Let's get this straight - nobody knows the troubles you've seen there in the UK, because occassionally the IRA blows up a trash can in Belfast - even though the Oklahoma City bombing killed more people than every IRA bombing of the last 30 years COMBINED. Yes, do tell us Americans again how we don't know anything about terrorism."

Once again "even though the Oklahoma City bombing killed more people than every IRA bombing of the last 30 years COMBINED"
Really? Looking at this offical count of Annual Deaths in Northern Ireland, by 'Status' of Person Killed, August 1969 to December 1995...
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/death95w.htm
...and in particular at the totals as compared to Oklahoma City (168) and 9-11 (2986 inlcuding some 67 British citizens), and further noting that these are only the figures for deaths actually within Northern Ireland, it does seem, Mec2, that there is at least one American who doesn't know very much about terrorism.

6:46 PM, August 12, 2006  
Anonymous armchair anarchist said...

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/1477/

6:47 PM, August 12, 2006  
Blogger MEC2 said...

Is reading comprehension problematic in the UK?

EVERY IRA BOMBING OF THE LAST 30 YEARS COMBINED.

Now, instead of linking us to a table showing deaths related to the ULF, RAF, INLF, or your kids PTA, refute the above statement using FACT not distraction.

I. R. A. Bombing. Deaths. Can you follow, sir? Did I put it in small, easily digestible pieces that you might thoroughly digest what your rhetorical task is?

The largest bomb the IRA ever detonated killed NOBODY, because they CALLED TO GIVE WARNINGS. So polite those Irish terrorists.

Look at all the British whining in this thread - when did you turn into such a bunch of insufferable wussies? And some British clown is going to hand out lessons on when the US entered WW1 or 2? You started them, limey, we finished them. Unless you'd like to be singing Deutchland Uber Alles, you ought to damn well thank every American who doesn't know "how tough you have it".

Tell me, what's the British death rate from drunken driving? I'll bet more of you die from that than from terrorism, tell me do you have uncontrolled shaking and whiny outbursts every time you near a pub? Uh huh. Something tells me not a one of you lives on Shankill Road...

Thankfully, the UK has quite a few rock-ribbed boys that occassional find their way in 10 Downing or your armed forces, and we couldn't ask for better men to fight beside (well, maybe the Aussies, but we're all brothers like that anyways). Recommendation - don't try and "out-victim" anyone, quit bleating, pissing and moaning, pick up a damn gun (literally or figurately) and get into the game. If you think Afghanistan, Iraq, or any other foreign policy of the UK is responsible for the foreign terrorist threat you face, you're wrong.

Iraq isn't their rallying cry. It is Allahu Akbar. The same as it's been for 1300 years. Don't for a second think you'll be able to retreat far enough to sate them.

10:55 AM, August 13, 2006  
Anonymous Mikey said...

Mec you have a serious problem understanding just how many people the IRA have killed on mainland Britain 3,600 people up unitl 2002 and they are still at it .

Blowing up a rubbish bin in Warrington killed two little boys, one aged 4 and one I think was 11 years of age. Now what did they do to those terrorists it was indiscrimate.

They also if you care to read historical facts *(if that is within your capabilities) see the carnage that was done to a troop of soldiers on horseback going to the Changing of the Guard ceremony.

The Member of Parliament Airey Neve blown up in his car coming out of the Houses of Parliament.

Just imagine the furore at one of your Parliament whatever you call it being killed like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Provisional_IRA_Actions

Here is the Chronology

1970s
1970: IRA men use firearms to defend Clonard monastery in west Belfast, the Short Strand in east Belfast and other nationalist areas from attack by loyalist mobs. Several people killed in gun battles.
July, 1970: Official IRA and Provisional IRA fight three day gun battle with 3000 British troops imposing a curfew on the Lower Falls area of Belfast, over 1,500 rounds fired by British troops.
26 June 1970: Three IRA members and two young girls killed when a bomb being assembled explodes accidentally in the Creggan, Derry.
February 6, 1971: British soldier on security duties, Gunner Robert Curtis, killed by the IRA in gun battle in North Belfast. One IRA man and one Catholic civilian also killed in shooting.
February 1971, Three off duty British soldiers abducted and shot and killed by IRA, it denies responsibility.
9 August 1971, Internment introduced. Around 350 republican suspects detained. 17 people are killed in gun battles in the next two days between IRA and British Army. Between 1971 and 1975, 1,981 people were detained; 1,874 were Catholic / Republican, while 107 were Protestant / Loyalist.
23 October 1971:Two female members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA), Maura Meehan (30) and Dorothy Maguire (19), were shot and killed by the British Army (BA) in the Lower Falls area of Belfast
11 December 1971: IRA killed four Protestant civilians in a bomb attack on a furniture shop on the Shankill Road in Belfast. Two of those who were killed in the explosion were children
4 December 1971: The McGurk's Bar bombing kills 15 people. Although the IRA are initially blamed, it later emerges that the Ulster Volunteer Force is responsible.
1972:Bloodiest year of PIRA campaign, over 100 British soldiers killed, 500 shooting attacks and 1,300 bombing attacks. 94 IRA members die in this year.
January 1972: Bloody Sunday Unrest in Derry culminates in action by British Paratroopers. The shooting by the soldiers resulted in the deaths of fourteen unarmed protestors, thirteen died on the day, and one died later of wounds sustained. The resulting outrage gains the PIRA support from much more of the nationalist community than it previously enjoyed.
4 March 1972:The Abercorn Restaurant in Belfast was bombed without warning. Two Catholic civilians were killed and over 130 people injured. The Irish Republican Army (IRA) did not claim responsibility for the bomb but were universally considered to have been involved
December, 1972: Mother of ten, Jean McConville, is abducted and killed by the Provisional IRA, allegedly for informing the British Army of IRA activities, although her family contend that she was killed for comforting a wounded British soldier. The IRA would deny any involvement in the killing until the 1990s, when it would acknowledge its action and attempt to locate the body. [Northern Ireland]
11 June 1972:There was a gun battle between Loyalist and Republican paramilitaries in the Oldpark area of Belfast. There were shooting incidents in other areas of Belfast and Northern Ireland. In all, two Catholics, a Protestant, and a British soldier were shot and killed.
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24 June 1972:The IRA killed three British Army soldiers in a land mine attack near Dungiven, County Londonderry.
26 June-8 July 1972, IRA ceasefire and talks with British government
14 July 1972:Six people were shot and killed in separate gun battles between IRA and British Army in Belfast. Three were British Army soldiers, two were members of the IRA and one was a Protestant civilian.
21 July 1972: On "Bloody Friday" 22 bombs kill nine and seriously injure 130. 30 years later the IRA would officially apologise for this set of attacks. [Northern Ireland]
December, 1972: Mother of ten, Jean McConville, is abducted and killed by the Provisional IRA, allegedly for informing the British Army of IRA activities, although her family contend that she was killed for comforting a wounded British soldier. The IRA would deny any involvement in the killing until the 1990s, when it would acknowledge its action and attempt to locate the body. [Northern Ireland]
31 July 1972: Three car bomb explode in the Claudy bombings, in which nine people are killed on Claudy High Street near Londonderry. The IRA have always denied involvement, but neutral observers believe they were responsible.
31 July 1972 Operation Motorman, British Army uses 12,000 troops to take IRA held "no go areas" in Belfast and Derry.
22 August 1972:A bomb that was being planted by the IRA exploded prematurely at a customs post at Newry, County Down. Nine people, including three members of the IRA and five Catholic civilians, were killed in the explosion.
8 March 1973: IRA exploded two car bombs in London and killed one person and injured over 200 people.
4 February 1974: M62 Coach Bombing: A bomb planted on a coach carrying British Army personnel and their wives and families explodes as it is travelling along the M62 motorway at Birkenshaw. Twelve people are killed; nine soldiers and the wife and two young sons of one of them. [England]
17 May 1973:The Irish Republican Army (IRA) carried out a booby-trap bomb attack on five members of the British Army who were off duty at the time. The attack occurred in Omagh, County Tyrone. [Four soldiers were killed on the day and the fifth soldier died on 3 June 1973.]
31 October 1973 IRA use a hijacked helicopter to free three of their members from the exercise yard of Mountjoy Prison, Dublin. On of those who escaped was Seamus Twomey, then Chief of Staff of the IRA. [Twomey was recaptured in December 1977.]
October 5, 1974: The Guildford pub bombing kills five and injures 182. The motive for the bombing was that the pub attacked was frequented by off-duty, unarmed soldiers. Four people, dubbed the "Guildford Four", would be convicted for the bombing and imprisoned for life. Fifteen years later Lord Lane of the Court of Appeal would overturn their convictions noting "the investigating officers must have lied". Some had spent the entire fifteen years in prison, years after the IRA men who carried out the attacks admitted them to British police. No police officer was ever charged. [England]
November 7, 1974: Two people are killed when a nail bomb containing 6lb of gelignite is thrown through the window of the Kings Head pub in Woolwich
November 21, 1974: In the Birmingham Pub Bombings bombs in two pubs kill 19. The "Birmingham Six" would be tried for this and convicted. Many years later, after new evidence of police fabrication and suppression of evidence, their convictions would be quashed and they would be released. [England]
1974: In December a bomb explodes on the first floor of Harrods department store in Knightsbridge. Part of the store is gutted but there are no injuries. [England]
22 December 1974 Irish Republican Army leadership declare a temporary ceasefire, pending talks with British government officials,
21 January 1975: There was a series of bomb explosions in Belfast in attacks carried out by the IRA. Two members of the IRA were killed when a bomb they were transporting by car exploded in Victoria Street, Belfast.
10 February 1975:The Irish Republican Army leadership declare a Truce. The ceasefire was to last officially until 23 January 1976, however it was not respected by all IRA units and violence continues throughout the year.
February 27, 1975: Off-duty police officer Stephen Tibble is shot and killed[1] as he joins in the chase of a suspect on his motorbike in Barons Court, London. The suspect had been spotted by a detective coming out of a house which was later discovered to be an IRA bomb factory.
17 July 1975:The IRA killed four British soldiers in a remote controlled bomb attack near Forkhill, County Armagh
13 August 1975: The IRA carried out a bomb and gun attack on the Bayardo Bar, Shankill Road, Belfast killing five people and injuring 40 others. One of those killed was a member of the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) the other four were Protestant civilians
1 September 1975:Five Protestant civilians died and seven were injured as a result of an attack on an Orange Hall in Newtownhamilton, County Armagh. Responsibility for the attack was claimed by a group called the South Armagh Republican Action force (SARAF) which was considered by many commentators to be a covername for members of the IRA.
3 November 1975: Several people were injured by a car bomb planted by the Provisional IRA in Connaught Square, London W2.
29 October 1975:The Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) shot and killed Robert Elliman (27), then a member of the Official IRA (OIRA), in McKenna's Bar in the Markets area of Belfast. [Between 29 October 1975 and 12 November 1975, 11 people were to died in the continuing feud between the two wings of the IRA. Most of those killed were members of the 'official' republican movement.]
November 27, 1975: The killing[2] of businessman and TV personality Ross McWhirter, who with his brother Norris McWhirter, had offered reward money to anyone who would inform on the IRA.
December 7–12, 1975: The Balcombe Street Siege.
August 1975: Caterham pub bombing.
January 5, 1976: IRA kills ten Protestant workers in the Kingsmill massacre, county Armagh in retaliation for loyalist killings of Catholics.
23 January 1976, IRA ceasefire officially called off.
1 March 1976:End of Special Category Status Prisoners.Merlyn Rees, then Secretary of Sate for Northern Ireland, announced that those people convicted of causing terrorist offences would no longer be entitled to special category status. In other words they were to be treated as ordinary criminals
July 21, 1976: An IRA landmine kills Christopher Ewart-Biggs, the newly appointed British ambassador to the Republic of Ireland, resulting in the declaration of a State of Emergency in the Republic. His secretary, Judith Cook (25), was also killed in the explosion
The IRA also threatens to kidnap or kill Irish cabinet ministers and the President of Ireland.

14 September 1976:Blanket protest Begun by IRA prisoners (starting with Kiaran Nugent) protesting at the loss of political status.
2 February 1977:Jeffrey Agate (59), then Managing Director of the American Du Pont factory in Derry was shot and killed by members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) outside his home at Talbot Park, Derry. [This killing marked the beginning of a series of attacks on businessmen. There were further killings on 2 March 1977 and 14 March 1977.]
2 June 1977:Three members of an Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) mobile patrol were shot and killed by Irish Republican Army (IRA) snipers near Ardboe, County Tyrone. Part of ongoing attacks on Police and Army.
17 February 1978: La Mon Restaurant Bombing-Twelve people, all Protestant civilians, were killed and 23 badly injured when an IRA incendiary bomb exploded at the restaurant of the La Mon House Hotel, Gransha, near Belfast
20 June 1978: Three members of the IRA and a passing Protestant civilian were shot and killed by undercover members of the British Army during an attempted bomb attack on a Post Office depot, Ballysillan Road, Belfast
14 November 1978:The Irish Republican Army (IRA) carried out a number of bomb attacks in towns across Northern Ireland. Serious damage was caused in attacks in Armagh, Belfast, Castlederg, Cookstown, Derry and Enniskillen. Thirty-seven people were injured in the attacks. [This series of bomb attacks represented a renewed bombing campaign and over 50 bombs were exploded in the following week.]
5 January 1979:Two members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) were killed in a car in Ardoyne, Belfast, when the bomb they were transporting exploded prematurely
4 February 1979:Patrick MacKin (60), a former Prison Officer, and his wife Violet (58), were both shot and killed by the Irish Republican Army at their home in Oldpark Road, Belfast. Part of an escalating campaign against prison officers, co-inciding with the Dirty protest and Blanket protest in the Maze prison.
22 March 1979:Members of the IRA killed Richard Sykes (58), then British Ambassador to the Netherlands, and also his Dutch valet Krel Straub (19), in a gun attack in Den Haag, Netherlands. The IRA carried out a series of attacks across Northern Ireland with 24 bombs exploding on same day.
17 April 1979:Four Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officers were killed when the Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded an estimated 1,000 pound van bomb at Bessbrook, County Armagh. [This was believed to be the largest bomb used by the IRA to this date.]
2 August 1979:Two British soldiers were killed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in a landmine attack at Cathedral Road, Armagh. [These deaths brought the total number of British Army soldiers killed in Northern Ireland since 1969 to 301.]
August 27, 1979: An IRA bomb kills Earl Mountbatten of Burma, the British Queen's first cousin, members of his family and a local child off the Irish coast. On the same day the IRA kill 18 British soldiers at Narrow Water, near Newry, County Down; in an attack described by the British government as "a classic guerrilla attack", they first plant one bomb, which kills six, and then begin firing with sniper rifles at soldiers, driving them to cover at a nearby gate where a second bomb explodes, killing 12 others. During an Irish visit, Pope John Paul II calls for the IRA campaign of violence to come to an end. The IRA rejected his advice and declared that it had widespread support and that Britain would only withdraw from Northern Ireland if forced to do so: "force is by far the only means of removing the evil of the British presence in Ireland ... we know also that upon victory the Church would have no difficulty in recognising us".
[Ireland]

16 December 1979:Four British soldiers were killed by a landmine bomb planted by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) at Ballygawley Road, near Dungannon, County Tyrone. Another soldier was killed by a booby-trap bomb at Forkhill, County Armagh. James Fowler, a former member of the Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR), was shot and killed by the IRA in Omagh, County Tyrone.
[edit]
1980s
1981: IRA prisoner Bobby Sands, imprisoned in connection with his involvement in an attack involving a bomb and subsequent gun battle, is elected Member of Parliament at Westminster for the Northern Ireland constituency of Fermanagh and South Tyrone in a by-election. The moderate nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party decides not to run a candidate (which would have split the nationalist vote), in protest of the British government's handling of the protest. This left Sands as the main nationalist candidate. Sands had been on a hunger strike for "Prisoner of War" or Special Category Status for 41 days prior to being elected. He died 23 days later. It was estimated that 100,000 people attended his funeral. IRA prisoners were ultimately de facto awarded political status by Margaret Thatcher's government, after nine more deaths by hunger strike. [Northern Ireland]
1981: The PIRA kill Ulster Unionist Party Belfast MP Rev Robert Bradford along with the caretaker of a community centre. Irish Taoiseach Dr Garret FitzGerald and former taoiseach and opposition leader Charles Haughey condemn the killings in Dáil Éireann. SDLP party leader John Hume accuses the Provisionals of waging a campaign of "sectarian genocide". [Northern Ireland]
10 October 1981: a bomb blast on Ebury Bridge Road in London kills two people and injures 39. [England]
26 October 1981: a bomb explodes at a Wimpy Bar in Oxford Street London killing the bomb disposal officer trying to defuse it. [England]
20 July 1982: The Hyde Park and Regents Park bombings: In Hyde Park, a bomb kills two members of the Household Cavalry performing ceremonial duties in the park. Seven of their horses are also killed. The deaths of the horses received almost as much coverage in the English tabloids as those of the men. On the same day another device kills seven bandsmen the Royal Green Jackets as it explodes underneath the bandstand in Regents Park as they played music to spectators. [England]
1983: A Harrods department store bomb planted by the IRA during Christmas shopping season kills six (three police) and wounds 90. [England]
September 25, 1983: 38 IRA prisoners escape from the maximum security Long Kesh prison. One guard dies of a heart attack during the escape.
December 26, 1983: The IRA is blamed for a bombing in London which later is revealed to be the result of the Abu Nidal Organisation.
1984: In the Brighton hotel bombing a bomb in the Grand Hotel kills five in a failed attempt to assassinate members of the British cabinet. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher narrowly escapes. Five people are killed, and one woman permanently disabled. [England]
1985 February, IRA mortar attack on RUC police station in Newry kills 9 Police Officers
1987: The SAS ambush two IRA cells as they attempted to attack an Royal Ulster Constabulary police station in Loughgall. Eight IRA men are killed. Sinn Féin later claim that they were "brutally executed without the right to a trial". [Northern Ireland]
1987: In the Enniskillen "Massacre" the IRA bombing of a Remembrance Day parade kills 11 civilians and injures 63. Among the dead is nurse Marie Wilson, whose father, Gordon Wilson, would go on to become a leading campaigner for an end to violence in Northern Ireland. The IRA would later state that their target was a colour guard of British soldiers, and stand down the local brigade. On Remembrance Day 1997 the leader of Sinn Féin, Gerry Adams, formally apologised for the bombing. [Northern Ireland]
1988: The SAS attack an IRA cell that were planning to detonate a bomb near a public military parade in Gibraltar. Two men, Daniel McCann and Sean Savage, and a woman Mairead Farrell, all unarmed, were killed. Although initial reports claimed the three terrorists had been shot and killed when about to set off a massive car bomb, within 24 hours the Foreign Secretary, Geoffrey Howe, was forced to admit this was not the case. However, a car used by the bombers was found in Marbella two days after the killings containing 140 lb of Semtex, timed to go off during the changing of the guard. [Gibraltar]. At the funeral of the three IRA volunteers, Michael Stone, a member of the Ulster Freedom Fighters(UFF), launched hand grenades during the graveside oration, killing a further three people. One week later, two British soldiers, Howes & Woods, in civilian clothes who drove too close to an IRA funeral were killed because the mourners believed them to be launching an attack like Michael Stone's [3].
1989: Ten Royal Marine bandsmen are killed and 22 injured in the bombing of their base in Deal in Kent. [England]
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1990s
1990: Car bombings in Northern Ireland kill seven and wound 37. [Northern Ireland]
27 May 1990: Two Australian tourists shot and killed in the Netherlands, having been mistaken for off-duty British soldiers from a base across the German border.
July 20, 1990: The IRA exploded a large bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing massive damage.
30 July 1990 Ian Gow MP is killed when a device explodes under his car as he is leaving his home. [England]
September 19, 1990: The IRA attempted to kill Air Chief Marshall Sir Peter Terry at his Staffordshire home. Sir Peter had been a prime target since his days as Governor of Gibraltar, where he signed the documents allowing the SAS to pursue IRA terrorists. The revenge attack took place at 9pm at the Main Road house. The gunman opened fire through a window hitting Sir Peter at least 9 times and injuring his wife, Lady Betty Terry, near the eye. The couple's daughter, Liz, was found suffering from shock. Sir Peter's face had to be rebuilt as the shots shattered Sir Peter's face and 2 high-velocity bullets lodged a fraction of an inch from his brain. [England]
October 24 1990 IRA forces innocent civilian Patsy Gillespie to deliver explosives to a British Army checkpoint in a Proxy bomb attack.The bomb blows up and killd him and five soldiers
1990: A British Royal Artillery officer is killed by the IRA in Dortmund in the then West Germany.
18 February 1991: A bomb explodes at Victoria Station. One man is killed and 38 people injured. [England]
1991: Mortar attack on members of the British Cabinet and the Prime Minister, John Major in Cabinet session at Number 10 Downing Street at the height of a huge security clampdown amid the Gulf War is launched by the IRA. The Cabinet collectively got under the table to protect themselves. [England]
1991: Two IRA members are killed in St Albans when their bomb detonates prematurely. [England]
28 February 1992: A bomb explodes at London Bridge railway station injuring 29 people. [England]
10 April 1992: A large bomb explodes at 30 St Mary Axe in the City of London killing three people and injuring 91. Many buildings are heavily damaged and the Baltic Exchange is completely destroyed. [England]
12 October 1992: A device explodes in the gents' toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden killing one person and injuring four others. [England]
1992: Eight builders are killed by an IRA bomb on their way to work at an army base near Omagh. [Northern Ireland]
1993: Two IRA bombs at opposite ends of a shopping street in Warrington, timed to go off within minutes of each other, kill two children. [England]
1993: The PIRA detonates a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate, which kills two and causes around £350m of damage, including the near destruction of St Ethelburga's Bishopsgate. [England]
1993: The Shankill Road bombing at a fish and chip shop underneath a UDA office on the Protestant Shankill Road in Belfast detonates prematurely, killing ten, including one of the bombers and two children. [Northern Ireland]
8 March 1994: Heathrow Airport, four mortar shells were fired toward Heathrow Airport from a car at night following telephone warnings in the name of the IRA, but police said none of the shells exploded and no injuries were reported.
10 March 1994: Heathrow Airport evacuated staff and passengers from Terminal Four and closed its southern runway after the second attack on the airport in 30 hours. No one was hurt when four mortar shells were fired.
13 March 1994: Heathrow Airport, the IRA launched their third mortar attack on Heathrow defying tightening security. They fired four mortar bombs from a heavily camouflaged launcher buried in scrubland close to the southern perimeter. Later that night both Heathrow and Gatwick airports were closed for 2 hours after renewed coded telephoned bomb threats were received.
1 September 1994: The PIRA declares the first of two ceasefires in the 1990s.
This postbox in Manchester survived the IRA bombing in 1996.10 February 1996: The IRA ends its 1994 ceasefire, killing two civilians in a bombing adjacent to the South Quay DLR station in London's Docklands. [England]
15 February 1996: A 5 lb bomb placed in a phone booth is disarmed by Police on the Charing Cross Road in London.
18 February 1996: An improvised high explosive device detonates prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA operative transporting the device and injuring eight others. [England]
15 June 1996: The IRA detonates a 3,300 lb (1,500 kg) bomb in Manchester, injuring 206 people and damaging 70,000 square metres of retail and office space. [England]
7 October 1996: the IRA kills one soldier and injures 31 people at the British Army's Northern Ireland HQ, Thiepval Barracks. [Northern Ireland]
19 July 1997: The IRA declares a second ceasefire.
1998 January, IRA kills loyalist UDA paramilitary Bobby Dougan in retaliation for killings of Catholics. Sinn Féin temporarily excluded from peace talks.
1999 Former IRA man Eamon Collins killed by IRA near Newry for testifying against Thomas "Slab" Murphy, leader of South Armagh IRA in a libel case with the Sunday Times.
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2000s
2 February 2005: The IRA issues a statement summarizing their "ambitious initiatives designed to develop or save the peace process", including three occasions in which they had complied with the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning in putting weapons "beyond use". The statement of 2 February goes on to say, "At this time it appears that the two governments are intent on changing the basis of the peace process. They claim that 'the obstacle now to a lasting and durable settlement… is the continuing terrorist and criminal activity of the IRA'. We reject this. It also belies the fact that a possible agreement last December was squandered by both governments pandering to rejectionist unionism instead of upholding their own commitments and honouring their own obligations." The statement concluded with two points: "We are taking all our proposals off the table." and "It is our intention to closely monitor ongoing developments and to protect to the best of our ability the rights of republicans and our support base."
3 February 2005: Following statements from the British and Irish governments, claiming that the new IRA statement was no cause for alarm, the IRA issues a second two-sentence statement: "The two governments are trying to play down the importance of our statement because they are making a mess of the peace process. Do not underestimate the seriousness of the situation."
10 February 2005: The Independent Monitoring Commission reports that it firmly supports the PSNI and Garda assessments that the PIRA was responsible for the Northern Bank robbery and recommends financial and political sanctions against Sinn Féin.
27 February 2005: Republicans in East Belfast hold a rally to demand justice following the murder of Robert McCartney.
17 March 2005: Sinn Féin is boycotted by United States president George W. Bush, Senator Edward Kennedy and leading Irish Americans during St. Patrick's Day celebrations because of the involvement of IRA members in the murder of Robert McCartney.
6 April 2005: Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams calls on the IRA to initiate consultations "as quickly as possible" to move from being a paramilitary organisation to one committed to purely non-military methods.
25 May 2005: British Intelligence claims that the IRA are still recruiting and training new members. A large number of new recruits are being trained in firearms and explosives and are also involved in "dry runs", practicing the targeting of their enemies.
28 July 2005: The IRA release a statement that it is ending its armed campaign and will verifiably put its arms beyond use. [4]
25 September 2005: International weapons inspectors supervise the full disarmament of the IRA.
February 2006: International weapons inspectors believe that not all arms were decommissioned on the day the IRA disarmed. Claims begins to circulate that the IRA actually held onto a few handguns and various other weapons

They are still shooting people in Ireland and they collected their money for arms and support in the good old U S of A.

So do not say that it was just rubbish bin bombs.

As for your comments regarding drunk drivers the American figures outweigh any that occur in British Isles.you should look to your own before you start casting stones.

12:11 PM, August 13, 2006  
Anonymous Maggie said...

Mikey didn't tell you the full story about the two little boys and the 56 others that were injured,

Inside Out - North West: Monday 17th February, 2003

WARRINGTON BOMBING - TEN YEARS ON

VICTIM | Three year old Jonathan Ball was murdered in the bombing
It's ten years since the IRA attacked Warrington and killed two children.

The death of two children in the Warrington bombings in 1993 caused outrage around the country. A decade on, the shockwaves from the attacks are still resonating.

June Tranter saved a 14 year old girl’s life following the blast. She tells of how Post Traumatic Stress made her feel, "I felt inadequate, useless and I lost my confidence in everything."

Terrorism or war

The troubles in Warrington started on Thursday 25 February 1993.

Three IRA terrorists broke into a Warrington gas storage depot.

After planting Semtex bombs, the trio tried to escape and shot a patrolling police officer.

Most of their bombs failed to detonate, but one did blow up. Thankfully, nobody was injured.

The three IRA men were arrested and Warrington believed its brush with terrorism had passed. They were wrong.

Revenge
On Saturday 20 March 1993 another IRA unit took revenge on Warrington for the arrests three weeks earlier.

It was the day before Mothering Sunday and stores in Bridge Street were bustling with shoppers.

Two bombs, planted in waste bins, exploded within a minute of each other.

Fatal

Tim Parry died five days after the attacks
The bombs had fatal consequences. Fifty six people were treated for injuries.

But it was the murder of three year old Jonathan Ball (pictured above) and the death of 12 year old Tim Parry five days later that sickened the nation.

Wilf Ball, Jonathan's father tells how he is still grieving a decade on. He says, "It's hard not to be bitter. They took something away that you were living for."

"Sometimes I get a good day, sometimes I get a bad day."

OMAGH NORTHERN IRELAND
Sunday, 16 August, 1998, 01:33 GMT 02:33 UK
Bomb atrocity rocks Northern Ireland


The bomb exploded in the centre of Omagh on a busy summer's day

From the archive: BBC reports from the archive on the day of the Omagh bomb, the worst terrorist attrocity in Northern Ireland.
At least 28 people, including an 18-month-old infant, have been killed in the worst paramilitary bombing since the start of the Northern Ireland conflict 30 years ago.

Political leaders have been joined by the Queen in expressing their sympathy for the bereaved and those injured in the explosion in the market town of Omagh.

The blast left about 220 people injured or maimed. Both Protestants and Catholics were hurt and killed.

Martin McGuinness, the chief negotiator for Sinn Fein, said: "This appalling act was carried out by those opposed to the peace process.

"It is designed to wreck the process and everyone should work to ensure the peace process continues."

A BBC correspondent said the statement was the strongest condemnation of an act of paramilitary violence by the party which represented the IRA in the Stormont talks.

Suspicion falls on "Real IRA"

No group has claimed responsibility for the bomb, which was planted in a maroon Vauxhall Astra.

RUC Chief Constable Ronnie Flanagan said: "Undoubtedly we will be focusing our attention on those who call themselves the 'Real IRA'. It is possible and probable that they carried out this attack.

"These are people who have murdered here today because they want to murder."

The Northern Ireland Secretary, Mo Mowlam, is flying back from Greece, where she had been on holiday, and plans to visit Omagh.

Scenes of utter carnage

People who survived the car bomb blast in a busy shopping area of Omagh, County Tyrone, have been describing scenes of utter carnage with the dead and dying strewn across the street and other victims screaming for help.

Police were clearing an area near the local courthouse, 40 minutes after receiving a telephone warning, when the bomb detonated.

But the warning was unclear and the wrong area was evacuated.


The bomb was planted in a maroon Vauxhall Astra
Instead, people were being directed towards the device when it went off shortly after 1500 (BST).

Women and children - one just 18 months old - are among the dead, many of whom, only moments before the blast, had been standing behind white tape which police had erected when clearing the streets.

Publican Nigel O'Kane said: "It was totally indiscriminate. Police were pushing everyone towards the bottom end of the town not knowing the bomb was there.

"It went off outside one of the busiest shops in the town flattening it and the one beside it."

There were reports that the town was holding its annual carnival when the blast happened.

Casualty figures

The ambulance service said at 1630 (BST) that "up to a dozen" people had been killed.

At 1820 (BST), the number of confirmed dead had risen to 21.

A trail of blood leading up the steps of Tyrone County Hospital illustrated the destruction caused by the bomb.

As dozens of worried relatives gathered outside, porters cleaned blood from the trollies used to ferry the injured and dying.

Catholic priest, Father John Ryder was almost lost for words. He said the scene inside the hospital was "chaotic" but staff were doing marvellous work.

"So many families uncertain, just coming along and not knowing what to do.They are distraught because some of them don't even know yet whether they've anybody here or not."

Hospital spokeswoman, Glynis Hendry, said a number of critically and seriously injured people were being treated.

"A lot of staff have come in from off-duty and a lot of staff from the community have come to help us," she added.

A BBC correspondent says "dozens, upon dozens, upon dozens" of people have been injured. Some have lost limbs, many were cut by flying debris.

Some victims were being transferred to the Royal Victoria and South Tyrone Hospitals.

Fifty-four casualties, many of them walking wounded, have been admitted to Erne Hospital, Enniskillen, and more were arriving.

A number of people responded to their appeal for blood and were liaising with the laboratory.

'Savagery and evil'

The Prime Minister, Tony Blair, is being briefed minute by minute by officials while on holiday in France.

He condemned the attack as an "appalling act of savagery and evil" by people determined to wreck the peace process.


The Queen: "Expression of sympathy"
In a statement, he pledged that the bombers would be pursued "to the utmost" in order to bring them to justice. "These people will never be allowed to win."

The Queen also issued a statement saying: "Please pass my heartfelt sympathy to the bereaved, injured and those others who have suffered in their distress".

Ulster Unionist security spokesman Ken Maginnis said he believed there had been at least 100 casualties.

"This is a dreadful crime against humanity," he told BBC News 24.


Enniskillen Northern Ireland
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/8/newsid_2515000/2515113.stm


1987: Bomb kills 11 at Enniskillen
A bomb has exploded during a Remembrance Day service at Enniskillen in County Fermanagh, killing 11 people.
It is the highest death toll in a terrorist attack in Northern Ireland for five years.

At least 63 people were injured in the blast, nine of them seriously.

The device went off without warning at 1045 GMT at the town's cenotaph where people had gathered to pay their respects to the war dead.

The bomb is believed to have been hidden in a nearby hall.

It blew out one of the building's walls, showering the area with debris and burying some people in several feet of rubble.

The dead included three married couples, a retired policeman and a nurse.


It's really desecrating the dead and a blot on mankind


Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher


Thirteen children are among the injured.

The Queen has sent her "heartfelt sympathy" to the people of Enniskillen.

Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has said the bombing was "utterly barbaric".

"It's really desecrating the dead and a blot on mankind," Mrs Thatcher said.

The head of the Church of Ireland, Archbishop Robin Eames, who was at Enniskillen said he "wished the bombers could have seen what I have seen".

As yet no organisation has said they planted the device but the chief constable of Northern Ireland has said he has no doubt the bomb was the work of the IRA.

Enniskillen is a town with a long military tradition having sent many soldiers to the battlefields of the First and Second World Wars.

Its proximity to the border with the Irish Republic, a ready escape route, means it is an easy target for the IRA.

How you can say this is just rubbish bin bombings beggars belief, but then again you obviously are wearing blinkers.

12:31 PM, August 13, 2006  
Anonymous singalongamec said...

Mec what do you base your insult of Limey on?

Why do you think it is an insult calling us Limey's when in actual fact it refers to the fact that we realised Vitamin C in Lemons and Limes cured Scurvy in Sailors. Our sailors were fitter and healthier than everyone elses which led to us having the biggest Empire the World has ever seen.

12:37 PM, August 13, 2006  
Anonymous Mactheknife said...

Mec you have the gall and nerve to criticise reading and spelling in UK, you who have no clues as to the way the words were orignally. Colour not Color for example

and as for "Look at all the British whining in this thread - when did you turn into such a bunch of insufferable wussies? And some British clown is going to hand out lessons on when the US entered WW1 or 2? You started them, limey, we finished them."

You never would have entertained seeing off a Fascist dictator until it actually hit at you. ie Pearl Harbour.

We didn't start anything, the Germans invaded smaller countries and beat the hell out of them and it was the Brits who gave refuge to 1000's and 1000's of refugees. We also took the American soldiers into our homes at Christmas times or holidays because they were far away from their families. Even though we had very little to eat for ourselves we shared what little we had.

You are pathetic Mec. You really want to get a life Truth hurts does it Mec seems it does.

1:35 PM, August 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good podcasts, but you need to get Dunnigan to slow down and let other people talk. He is talking all over Bay and the hosts, and it is simply less enjoyable to listen to that it would be if he didn't follow up on everything an always get the last word.

Keep up the good podcasts

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