Saturday, July 29, 2006

I was surprised one day recently when I stopped by my local Jewish Community Center to ask about their summer camps and it was locked and had a code pad up front. When I was let in, office workers were behind locked doors and ushered me in when they saw I was no threat. In my youth, the same center was open to the public--how times have changed. This attack Friday afternoon at the Jewish Federation in Seattle leaves me stunned and saddened with the realization that even in the US, Jews are not safe. Somehow, I think it will take more than a locked door and a security code (which the man who claimed to be a Muslim forced his way through yesterday prior to his attack) to keep the Jewish people safe. Perhaps this is an isolated incident--I sure hope so.

44 Comments:

Blogger Kelly Moore said...

Hi: I am a catholic man with a jewish wife. Though both religions tend to take a proprietary interest in the offspring of their flocks, my wife and I decided to let the children decide. Our oldest is more or less christian by choice. My middle child--11 years old--is jewish. I walk him through the security check points you describe at his camps and temple and hebrew school. The mixture of anger and fear this creates in me is vexxing. I, too, hope the friday shooting was isolated; but, somehow, I doubt it.

11:49 AM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger Helen said...

Kelly Moore,

I doubt it also--I used to think that ant-Semitism was rare (stupid me) but I find that many among the intellectual class to be the most anti-semitic. One day I was in a car with a journalist who berated Israel and the US and did not realize I was Jewish. She looked rather surprised when I told her but it was already too late, she had revealed to me her true feelings. She fathomed herself a champion of Human Rights, hardly realizing that she sided with the enemy--both of the US and to the Jewish people. Her views are very common, especially among the elite and that is very scary to me.

12:01 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger ronin1516 said...

And given all this, i still wonder why a lot of Jewish academics still side with the Left which is anti-semitic.
A friend, who is Israeli says that "American Jews who are for gun control, are akin to chickens who are for Col Sanders"

12:04 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger snowonpine said...

This is merely the last in a whole series of such shootings and attacks by Muslims against Israelis, Jews and other Infidels in the U.S. over the last few years, all by people who are very conveniently labeled as "crazy." As someone posted today, if this latest shooter were white and a KKK member, this shooting would be reported as a hate crime as well as terrorism in a heartbeat; Muslims get a pass. Sorry, but I think that the very liberal Seattle mindset cannot, will not, deal with the reality of Islam, the jihadi's mentality and the increasingly bloody prospects if we don't deal harshly with these Muslim fanatics. This is illustrated in how Seattle newpapers and TV have characterized this shooting and by statements of Seattle officials regarding this attack.

Offensive as it is to the political correctness now infesting our nation, it appears that any Muslim, no matter how apparently westernized, can decide at any moment that he has to act out the hatred for jews and infidels that his religion preaches and sanctifies. There are 140 Saudi financed, largely Wahabi run Islamic religious centers and mosques in the U.S. which, according to newspaper accounts and translations of their textbooks, teach this hatred daily. These Islamic institutions also produce the chaplains for Muslims in our armed forces and the chaplains for our prison system, which contains many tens of thousands of muslims and increasing numbers of muslim-convert inmates. I think it inevitable that other such attacks in the U.S. are coming until we, as a nation, wise-up.

1:23 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger snowonpine said...

By the way, if this were a TV crime show and the detectives had,say, half a dozen or more such attacks--this one, the Muslim grad student who plowed into students in North Carolina a few months ago, all the way back to the Egyptian who shot and killed El Al airline personnel at LAX a few years ago--tacked up on their big bulletin board, what would you expect them to conclude was the motive for these attacks and the reason certain victims were chosen. Would it be mental illness or would it be ISLAM? And wouldn't the common thread tying all these crimes together be that the attackers were all Muslims and the victims all people who Islam told Muslims were their forever irreconcilable, "unclean" enemies who it was a Muslim's duty to attack--Jews and Infidels?

2:46 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

the world is now driven by hate. muslims hate us, and jewish, the west hates muslims and some jews, and everyone hates everyone else.

isreal and the us, palestine, etc etc etc.. iraq, etc etc etc..

the world is going to hell in a handbasket..

i have given up on civilisation, i am going to be soon at the stage of nuke the lot of us and start again with cockroaches.. they cant bugger this planet up more than we already have.

3:17 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger Sissy Willis said...

Mercurior's comments called to mind Sheldon Harnick's The Merry Minuet, popularized by the Kingston Trio in the 60's:

They're rioting in Africa
They're starving in Spain
There's hurricanes in Florida
And Texas needs rain.

The whole world is festering
With unhappy souls
The French hate the Germans,
The Germans hate the Poles

Italians hate Yugoslavs
South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like anybody very much

But we can be grateful
And thankful and proud
That man's been endowed
With a mushroom shaped cloud


Nature of the beast.

3:48 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

http://ve.ou.edu/merryminuet.htm

and theres a download too..

4:34 PM, July 29, 2006  
Anonymous Serket said...

40 years later and we're still going strong.

4:37 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger Helen said...

Serket:

Good point, what is amazing to me is how many threats are made in comparison to how few are actually carried out. For all the anger and frustration that I have heard people express, carrying out violent acts against others is the exception, not the rule.

5:10 PM, July 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see your cracker husband is now deliberately lying about what other people are saying.

6:33 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger Lee J. Cockrell said...

I would be impressed if a coalition of muslim leaders went to this temple, denounced the shooting, and offered their unabashed support. Someone let me know if this happens (I know CAIR has issued a statement, I'm talking about something more concrete and backbone-exhibiting).

7:00 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger Jonathan said...

...it appears that any Muslim, no matter how apparently westernized, can decide at any moment that he has to act out the hatred for jews and infidels that his religion preaches and sanctifies.

This is like saying that any gun owner is a potential mass-murderer. The gun owner who murders is highly atypical of all gun owners, just as the American Muslim terrorist is highly atypical of all American Muslims. In both cases a way to identify potentially dangerous individuals might be to look for people who have multiple characteristics in common with other violent members of their group rather than merely with the group as a whole. In the case of Muslims this might mean association with a jihadi imam, mosque or madrassa, open espousal of jihadi views, and probably some demographic cues. I am not saying I know the formula, but rather that a lot of the dangerous people probably have multiple common characteristics that distinguish them from the majority of American Muslims who are not threats (and whose cooperation in tracking down actual jihadis should be avidly sought).

7:22 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger dadvocate said...

This is truly sad and tragic. I suspect the center you describe is one I visited and played basketball myself in the past (Deane Hill Drive?). Growing up I knew several Jewish families. Many were on my swim team.

They were all some of the best people I've ever known. I never had a bad experience with any of them. I was also taught at the Catholic grade school I attended a great deal of respect for the Jewish people. I am quite upset with the current Pope's position on the current conflict.

The aims of the radical Islamists is nothing short of genocide. I don't now why some of the leftists can't recognize this. Or maybe, as you suggest, they are anti-Semitic. At best, they have grossly misplaced sympathies.

10:03 PM, July 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am dying to hear more from anon 6:33pm. As a white man I can't hear that word tossed around enough. More cracker please, with some whitey and honkie mixed in.

10:42 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger DRJ said...

Dr. Helen,

I don't think this is an isolated incident although I certainly hope it is. While we can't know the future, we can learn from the past and here's what history has taught me: I'm a Christian but when it comes to this, I'm a Jew, too. I stand with you.

11:16 PM, July 29, 2006  
Blogger jw said...

There's too much anger in the world. Too few people are willing to talk peacefully about their differences. It's a problem.

I echo drj: I'm Christian and stand with the Jews. If the Moslems come under such attacks ... I'll stand with them too.

4:32 AM, July 30, 2006  
Blogger Helen said...

Anonymous 10:42:

Anonymous 6:33 is just trolling my blog because he realizes that my huband would not give him the time of day.

7:22 AM, July 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to think of this. I'm a Catholic and was taught to respect the Jews since God made a covenant with them and God does not break His word.

I am pro-Israel all the way. I've never heard Israel say (insert the name of country here) does not need to exist and we will wipe it off the map. But Iran freely admits that one of its goals is the total elimination of Israel.

8:45 AM, July 30, 2006  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

Johnathan 7:22

"This is like saying that any gun owner is a potential mass-murderer."

Except that other gun-oners (& NRA) decry and call for the punishment of mass-murderers. Could you please cite a number of instances where other Muslims (& organizations) decry and call for the punishment of the terrorists?

"... (and whose cooperation in tracking down actual jihadis should be avidly sought)."

This presumes it isn't. It is. It's just being refused.

9:48 AM, July 30, 2006  
Blogger Jonathan said...

Could you please cite a number of instances where other Muslims (& organizations) decry and call for the punishment of the terrorists?

There have been some. There should be more. I am sure that some American Muslims sympathize with the jihadis, but I am also sure that many Muslims have been intimidated into silence.

1:21 PM, July 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like a lot of Jewish centers and other Jewish Federation buildings all over are implementing extra security measures. Our JCC sendout a mass email about it, and they are actually hiring armed guards and extra police patrols for the facility theu own outside town where they hosk kid camps.

5:26 PM, July 30, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

i lost an entire branch of my family in the pogroms, i am a catholic, but hate, goes beyond this, today, hate is the new black everyone hates everyone. i treat people how i want to be treated.

the worst racist i knew was black, hate has no boundaries, no borders, hate is the ultimate equality..

sorry in a funny mood today.

5:40 PM, July 30, 2006  
Blogger AShiningCity said...

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8:26 PM, July 30, 2006  
Blogger AShiningCity said...

Hey Anonymous 6:33 PM-

Why don't you grow a pair and actually create an identity?

Anonymous 6:33 PM, your excellent commentary is just made even better with the racial slurs. Go back to whatever rock you crawled out from under and stay put.

When you can act civilized you can come out and discuss with the rest of us. Until then... please stop embarrassing yourself.

Perhaps Dr. Helen has to be polite to losers like you... but I am not obligated at all.

8:28 PM, July 30, 2006  
Anonymous Jim said...

Lee J. Cockrell,

In fact just that has happened. The Seattle Times ran pictures of Muslim and Jewish wommen attending the memorial service together too. Local Jewish leaders have said that there is a very good level of trust and cooperation between the two communities in the area. Someone on the train this morning said there had been a report on TV or something in a paper about a Muslims guy standing out front of the synagogue wearing a Star of David.
The shooter was not from Seattle; he was from the Tri-Cities area, a couple of hundred mile away. He was the ne'er-do-well son of a high achieving, fully assimilated Pakistani family. Oh, and it turns out that despite his statement about being a Muslim American, he got baptized last year. He was just a loser that never got his life statred after a promising start. Now that family tragedy has turned into everyone's tragedy.

So this particular crime does in fact look like one lone loony. That doesn't negate the very real threat that Jews in this country do face from bigoted Muslims. There may only be a few in a huge community across the country, but it only takes a very few, doesn't it?

1:11 PM, July 31, 2006  
Blogger Peregrine John said...

Ah, sissy beat me to it. Excellent song.

They're rioting in Africa;
There's strife in Iran;
What nature doesn't do to us
Will be done by our fellow man.


Perhaps it was a lone nutman. Funny how many things these lone nuts have in common these days...

3:07 PM, July 31, 2006  
Blogger snowonpine said...

I notice that some Muslims in America are not shy at all about mounting pro-Hezbullah, anti-American and Anti-Israel street demos. A particularly nasty example was the one recently in Dearborn, Michigan, which city is home to some 7,000 Muslims, most apparently fervent Hezbullah supporters. A little clue, most of these Lebanese-Americans come from the Southern Lebanese village of Bint Jbail and its surrounding area, which the Israelis have characterized as the Hezbullah capital of Southern Lebanon. The local "Bint Jbail Cultural Center" in Dearborn, built courtesy of Congressional appropriations, is apparently the venue for a lot of Hezbullah hatefest activities including, apparently, fundraising. The local newspaper sends out reporters who don't understand any of the languages involved and who report what the Cultural Center's English speaking spokesman says is happening there as the truth, but translations by Arabic speakers reveal what is really being said in the speeches.

In contrast to this I see no anti-terrorist, "Moderate Muslim" activities, demonstrations and almost no statements. These few statements apparently condemning terrorism or attacks by Muslims against civilians you can find, if analyzed carefully--in the tradition of what "is" is, will prove to be a non-condemnation. Typical are statements that Islam is against the killing of"innocent" people. However, terrorist ideology holds no Infidel to be truly innocent, so killing Infidels is not killing the "innocent." Similar Koran and Hadith-based rationals can be found justifying all terrorist activities from a conservative Muslim perspective.

It would be nice to see a "Moderate" version of Islamic doctrine and interpretations, if such really exist, which could be put up against the ultra-conservative Wahabi interpretations that, backed by Saudi Arabian money and taught in, for instance, the 140 Saudi funded Islamic religious institutions in the U.S. and tens of thousands of madrasses around the word, seem to prevail today. However, to my knowledge, there is no such body of doctrines and interpretations and I am sure that those who occupy the key civil and religious posts in Muslim countries are usually very vigilant to stamp out any such development, usually by stamping out those who would avocate it.

3:41 PM, July 31, 2006  
Anonymous Azadi said...

It's unfortunate that we need the security... but at the same time there is something heartwarming about the way our building employees and law enforcement rally around us to protect us. The police force outside the Chabad building next door was comforting to me, and our building's staff has gone out of their way to keep us safe.

The world of Jewish professionals feels very small. Everyone knows everyone else. When something happens at a Federation, there is no chance that someone in my office doesn't know the people involved. One of my coworkers shared with us an email from her friend who was on the same project team as the victims of the shooting... the only reason she wasn't there at the time was because she had gone out to get a sandwich.

9:37 AM, August 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

snowonpine : I live near dearborn , Mi, and you are totally underestimating the pro-Hezb,ollah population, when you quote the figure of 7000. There are about 150,000 Lebanese immigrants in and and around Dearborn, of which, probably 100,00 are Shia. The rest of the Lebanese are either Maronite Christians or Druze. And most of the others Arabs are Iraqi Chaldean Christians, and a lot of Palestinians, mostly Sunnis.
yes, a lot of the Lebanese Shia, especially the recent immigrants are up to no good, but, I fear the worst, becasue, most reporters, or for that matter law-enforcement agencies are woefully short of officers and agents who speak the language, or understand the culture.
And I wonder - whydoes the US Govt even allow immigrationfrom countries which are known to be nests of anti-Americanism, and from countries that are know to grow Islamic terrorists like oranges growing in the orchardsof Florida?

11:22 AM, August 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, can't you criticize Israel without being anti-semitic?

11:43 AM, August 01, 2006  
Blogger Peregrine John said...

Read an interesting article on that very subject today. Make of it what you will.

12:33 PM, August 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I missed the part where this guy (the shooter) got a pass, and where politically correct Seattle says his actions are OK. Was he not arrested? Will he not be tried for murder?

A jihadist nutbag anti-semite commits a disgustingly immoral crime, and a few jihadist nutbag anti-semites cheer him on. How does this mean his actions are acceptable by society-at-large?

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