Tuesday, August 15, 2006

Podcast on 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Do you ever wonder who the nuts are that think the US government caused 9/11? Well, apparently, they are everyday Americans and others with thinking processes that border on the delusional and involve magical thinking which requires some serious grown-up intervention. The intervention manual has been written by the team at Popular Mechanics in their new book, Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts.

Today, we talk with David Dunbar, Executive Editor of Popular Mechanics and his co-editor, Brad Reagan, about their new book that debunks the 9/11 myths using facts and interviews with experts to dispel step by step any government involvement in the tragedy of 9/11. If you want to listen to real experts discuss the reality of what happened that day as opposed to conspiracy theorists who change the facts to fit their pet theories, take a listen.

You can listen to the podcast by clicking here or subscribe via iTunes. You can find an archive of our previous podcasts at the GlennandHelenshow.com. And there's a lo-fi version for dialup users here. Leave questions or comments below.

Oh, and if you've had trouble playing these from my site, try this Flash player and see if it works better.

36 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like it. But for all you know, I'm one of the conspirators.

9:45 PM, August 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well that's nice, Dr. Helen. Anyone who believes something different from you is pathological. Very Soviet. I guess you shouldn't be blamed, that's the way your whole field is going.


I'll comment further after I've listened to your podcast.

12:29 AM, August 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People whose thinking processes involve magical thinking? You mean like christians?

4:16 AM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger nyomythus said...

I'm ordering, "Six: The Movie" for my university's video collection some time this Fall.

9:03 AM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger Rizzo said...

Anyone who believes something different from you is pathological.

Not necessarily, but someone who creates an idiotic, nonsensical theory that ignores the known facts certainly should be checked out.

People whose thinking processes involve magical thinking? You mean like christians?

What do Christians have to do with any of this? Is Dr. Helen a Christian? I've read her blog for awhile now, and I don't even know. And what about Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, or Jews? Or is it just Christians?

10:10 AM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger ronin1516 said...

Anon 12.29 : Well, you could be considered 'pathological" if you believe something as crazy as the theories that state thet the 9/11 was an 'inside job", or that" it was a big Zionist conspiracy" or that it was "a conspiracy to make the stocks of oil companies and halliburton go higher in the NYSe" or drivel like that. This kind of thinking is no different than the thinking displayed by the disciples of david Koresh, or the followers of Jom Jones ( correct me if i got that "prophet's" name wrong) who drank the kool-aid in Guyana

11:59 AM, August 16, 2006  
Anonymous howard_coward said...

9/11 conspiracy theories have nothing to do with the facts. Come on guys! we watched it on TV! Conspiracy theories have to do with denial and fear of whats happening.

12:47 PM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger Helen said...

nyomythus,

Thanks--I hope your university finds it useful.

Rizzo,

Good points.

12:48 PM, August 16, 2006  
Anonymous Len said...

Any action comtemplated between two or more people is a conspiracy. Therefore what happened on 9/11 is a conspiracy, no matter who caused it. Now, I have no idea who caused it. I only know that it is physically impossible for it to have occurred the way the US government said it did. You better examine things a little more carefully. Len

1:09 PM, August 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Best troll line in this thread -- after an angry denuncation: "I'll comment further after I've listened to your podcast."

Yeah, bud, we're all holding our breaths.

1:18 PM, August 16, 2006  
Anonymous "Eric Blair" said...

Given the topic of conspiracy theory, here we have Andrew Sullivan trumpeting that he believes that the recent UK plot that was foiled---involving both the British and US governments---was a fraud.

Supposedly to move attention away from Ned Lamont?

Brrrr.

I think it is time to quit reading Sullivan. He clearly is in the tertiary stages of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

"Eric Blair"

2:37 PM, August 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous 1:18-

Best troll line in this thread -- after an angry denuncation: "I'll comment further after I've listened to your podcast."

Yeah, bud, we're all holding our breaths.


Well, bud, if Dr. Helen unequivocally states that anyone that disagrees with her thoughts on the subject is pathological that statement in itself can be disputed.

Now this is the best line in the thread so far from Len:

"I only know that it is physically impossible for it to have occurred the way the US government said it did. You better examine things a little more carefully."

Thanks for mentioning that, Len. These "magical thinkers" that think the implosion fairy took down building 7 need some serious adult intervention.

3:49 PM, August 16, 2006  
Blogger SM777 said...

Believe it or not, Dr. Helen, there are individuals out there that will actually tell a lie in order to gain wealth and power at your expense.

No really, it's true.

Nero had Rome burned and blamed the Christians (people whose processes involve "magical" thinking) which increased his hold on power by terrorising his political enemies into supporting him.

Then there was the nazi party's burning of the Reichstag and their subsequent blaming of the Jews. Yep, another excuse for martial law.

Or, that mysterious explosion on the battleship Maine which justified the US govs'. war on Spain approx. 100 years ago.

No honestly, some people really will lie to you in order to obtain money and political support from you when necessary. I know it sounds almost impossible, but it's true.

Just because Peter Jennings/Dan Rather/Tom Brokaw says so, doesn't mean it actally is true. I know you may find this hard to believe, but they are actually paid over 30 million dollars each and every year, to read a script in front of a TV camera.

Do you really think they care what that script says?

Do you really think they would imperil their extraordinary salaries by actually stating what's on their minds?

Why do most women have a tendency to believe absolutely anything someone with alleged "authority" says, no matter how ridiculous, or completely out of touch with reality it may be?

I ask this question because I have a couple of female relatives that believe absolutely anything a person with "authority" says. I am also aware, due to discussions with other men I know, that they have encountered similar situations.

Maybe it has something to do with "I feel this is true" even though the cold hard facts may clearly indicate otherwise.

Kind of like, "I feel that the law of gravity shouldn't apply to me today, maybe I'll go skydiving without a parachute."

6:15 PM, August 16, 2006  
Anonymous JD said...

Len Writes: Any action contemplated between two or more people is a conspiracy. Therefore what happened on 9/11 is a conspiracy, no matter who caused it.

Which means that my post here on this comment thread makes the thread part of the conspiracy! Holy cow, I'd better watch out!

What's scary is how quickly the conspiracy nuts fall into blaming others - Jews, Republicans, and apparently, if you’re SM777 above, women who aren't, er… docile enough.

I’ll admit that I’m an antiwar liberal – but frustration with the left’s refusal to really actively debunk these theories pushed me to conservative blogs for commentary …. If nothing else it gives me hope that there’s something rational people can still all agree on.

10:04 AM, August 17, 2006  
Anonymous dissenter said...

Having listened to the podcast, I'll admit being totally underwhelmed.

As for me, I'd like to learn how Hani Hanjour grew that magnificent head of hair he sported on 9/11, given that he was virtually bald in the ATM photo ... and he must have gotten that Charles Atlas book, while he was at it. I'd like Dr. Helen to explain how Hanjour got on that plane without a ticket (according to the WashPost) -- it would save me bundles on overseas travel. :)

And then, there were the Odigo warnings, the dancing Israeli commandos on the rooftop, the devout Muslim suicide pilot with a weakness for cocaine and pork chops, the call to Mohammed Atta, Sr. on the 12th, the amazing indestructible passport, the seismic evidence showing that Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville at 10:06 AM, et al., ad nauseum....

To say that there are no colorable grounds for suspicion that the official story is a fabrication is to be completely divorced from reality. I agree with anonymous, and respectfully suggest that Dr. Helen should follow the Biblical admonition to heal thyself.

4:11 PM, August 17, 2006  
Blogger SM777 said...

JD, you obviously need to learn reading comprehension. Maybe you should go back to school.

If you could actually use reason and logic, you would notice that my point was women are too docile. They have a tendency to be so docile, in fact, as to believe anything stated by a faceless organization in "authority".

Who knows, maybe there's just too much toxic waste (AKA flouride) in the water, or too much mercury in vaccines, or maybe most people just want to go through life as blind, deaf and dumb sheep.

5:57 PM, August 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't know if anyone is actually following this thread anymore, but I thought I'd make a couple points:

- I thought the podcast was pretty insulting and unprofessional.

- I wonder if Dr. Helen and her husband have actually watched "Loose Change" - it's here:
http://www.loosechange911.com/
(if that link doesn't work there are others that do)

- There are several articles that answer many of the Popular Mechanics arguments, the Scholars for 911 Truth website would be a good place to start:
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

- As Dr. Helen accuses "conspiracy theorists" (note the argument by definition) of employing "magical thinking", note that there is a lot of magical thinking being employed by supporters of the way the "War on Terror" is being waged. This article addresses how implausible an actual peroxide-based binary liquid bomb would be:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/print.html

1:41 AM, August 21, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are good facts delivered by PM's book, however, they did not answer as to why the outward blasts coming from the WTC buildings where right in the center and happened several floors down (meaning that the forced air from the pancake theory would not effect those floors at that instance). Also wWHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT NOT RELEASE THE VIDEOS FOR THE PENTAGON?!?!? THERE IS NO REASON TO KEEP THEM CONFISCATED UNLESS THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING! PM's book does not address all the issues, just the ones they think can be addressed. Why were non of the passengers on the planes list arabic, and why are 9 of the nineteen hijackers found alive somewhere else? There is still alot that needs to be researched!! I hope the government is not involved but with all the lies and the witholdint of valuable information, we as Americans need to find out what is going on!

4:00 PM, August 24, 2006  
Blogger Mat Ripley said...

Dear Helen

I am CEO of a successful technology company. I studied 8 years at a major university to PHD Level. I believe we went to the moon. I don’t believe in any other conspiracies. I am not a Conspiracy Nut. I appreciate scientific methodology and the process of reason to a very deep level.

After watching Loose Change and doing copious amounts of my own research I am convinced of the following:

1) A plane did not hit the pentagon
2) The Twin Towers and WTC7 were not brought down as in the official story
3) Much evidence has been covered up or withheld for no reason.

Before listening to your podcast my heart was racing. Could this give me the evidence that I wanted to believe? That 911 was not an inside job.

Sadly it didn’t. I am not saying Bush and the Alien Illuminati did this, but it was not done as the official story and your “popular mechanics” claim.

You made so much ridicule of these “outlandish conspiracy theorists” and of non-mainstream media, which is unjustified and illegitimate. There are a whole bunch of fruitcakes and nutcases who believe that 911 was a conspiracy along with blowing up the levees. But not all people. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world believe there are significant inconsistencies with the 911 official account. All are not insane.

I suggest, if you are still interested in the process of scientific enquiry, that you take a methodological approach, on your own, to the evidence. Or you can stay jumping on the mainstream media bandwagon.

The same bandwagon that carried the WMDs across the sands of Iraq.

Best wishes

Mat Ripley

2:46 AM, August 31, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Says it all:

"How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster? This must be the product of a great conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that, which it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men.…What can be made of this unbroken series of decisions and acts contributing to the strategy of defeat? They cannot be attributed to incompetence.…The laws of probability would dictate that part of…[the] decisions would serve the country’s interest."

-Joseph McCarthy, 1951

Today's left is the militia movement of the nineties: paranoid to the core. Hopefully it doesn't take a McVeigh to snap the paranoids to their senses this time around.

http://www.writely.com/Doc.aspx?id=a4w3qmhgdwb_afkmwgpz7nw2

3:11 AM, September 06, 2006  
Blogger quicknthedead said...

Here’s the 9/11 smoking gun.

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No one has debunked this yet…and it’s not a “theory”—just the facts.
“Plane Impact” Times: Incriminating Evidence of 9/11 Coverup & Complicity

“Seismic Proof – 9/11 Was An Inside Job (Updated Version II)”
Link: http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/Seismic_Proof___9.11_Was_An_Inside_Job.doc
By Craig T. Furlong & Gordon Ross, Scholars for 9/11 Truth: http://www.st911.org

The official times for plane "impact" [precise to the second] as declared by the US Government, from both the 9/11 Commission and from NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology), are different and yet both are true and accurate times. What can this factual contradiction mean? Looking exclusively at WTC1, there is found the indisputable causal link:

One World Trade, September 11, 2001
American Airlines Flight 11 “impact” time:
8:46:30 UTC, per LDEO seismic data (National Institute of Standards and Technology, 2005)
8:46:40 UTC, per FAA last primary radar contact (9/11 Commission Final Report, 2004)

Q- What caused the 8:46:30 seismic event that occurred 10 seconds before the actual aircrash at 8:46:40?
A- The only possibility is huge explosions, as corroborated by many eyewitnesses at the time.
Q- Who caused these explosions before the plane hit?

Notes:
In 2004, the 9/11 Commission avoided addressing the earlier seismic event time (which had been, in error, attributed by Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University, originally in 2001 as “plane impact”).
In 2005, NIST avoided addressing the 9/11 Commission’s later time for the aircraft’s actual impact.
Both the 9/11 Commission and NIST avoided addressing the many witnesses who testified of explosions in the basements before the plane crashed.

Summary:
This precision data has yet to be refuted by anyone. It is from the two highest governmental entities charged with looking into what happened on 9/11, and both declared these times as accurate, and in doing so they corroborate William Rodriguez and the many eyewitnesses the morning of 9/11 who testified of explosions in the sub-basements of WTC1 before American Airlines Flight 11 struck the building. This is indicting evidence of governmental coverup, and thus implication of complicity.

Before it is too late, demand a new 9/11 investigation, except this time a real one.
Justice waits...{and there is no statute of time limitation on murder}

4:34 PM, November 12, 2006  
Anonymous stinker said...

Be sure to check out the book “Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory” due out in March by Dr. David Ray Griffin.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781566566865&itm=2

http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Mechanics-Defenders-Conspiracy/dp/156656686X/sr=1-4/qid=1168895874/ref=sr_1_4/102-3028549-2492937?ie=UTF8&s=books

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4:55 PM, March 06, 2007  
Blogger MorganSea said...

ha ha ha, well I guess when the guys from Popular Economics Magazine write a book debunking profits made on 9/11 going to a handful of powerful americans I'll stop being a "nut" and fall back in line.

4:51 PM, December 31, 2007  
Blogger MorganSea said...

oh yeah and nothing helps debunk conspiracy theories better than asking officials what the official answers are.

"oh well we talked to people who are both experts and witnesses who work at the pentagon... and I was suprised when they told me it was an inside job afterall..."

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