Many of you have been emailing this story about four women who physically abused a man who cheated on them:
She should be more than embarrassed, she and her partners in crime should be humiliated and put in jail for assault. When you see commercials about men who cheat, they are being punched, had their cars destroyed and other abuses that are just taken in a matter-of-fact manner as if it's no big deal because a woman is dispersing "justice." Female on male assault and destruction of men's property is a big deal. I hope these women get the book thrown at them but with a 200 dollar bail set, probably nothing will happen. What do you think?
That's one tube of glue this guy never thought he'd see.
A married man who planned to rendezvous with one of his handful of lovers at an eastern Wisconsin motel instead got his penis glued to his stomach, according to court documents.
Four women, including his wife, showed up to bind and blindfold the man, plus place the adhesive on his package, all in a bizarre plot to punish him for a lover's quadrangle gone bad, says the Calumet County docs.
Now it's the women who face punishment, perhaps six years in prison, and at least one said Monday the story has gotten twisted and she's embarrassed.
She should be more than embarrassed, she and her partners in crime should be humiliated and put in jail for assault. When you see commercials about men who cheat, they are being punched, had their cars destroyed and other abuses that are just taken in a matter-of-fact manner as if it's no big deal because a woman is dispersing "justice." Female on male assault and destruction of men's property is a big deal. I hope these women get the book thrown at them but with a 200 dollar bail set, probably nothing will happen. What do you think?
Labels: female violence
posted by Helen at 8:56 AM
71 Comments:
I think that the women should be punished fully under the law.
But I don't think the court of public opinion should merely offer a wink to a skirt chasing scoundrel.
That's a marriage oath, and, we need to be careful to give full attention to the entire set of crimes committed, from beginning to end, and not become fixated on the wedding tackle with the epoxy.
Smitty1e:
So are you going to be the one to also dole out punishment to WOMEN who cheat in a marriage as well?
Good luck trying that. For starters, you'd have NOW screaming about how the red letter "A" has been abolished before they really lay into you.
On the other hand, men "deserve it" - because they're easy targets today. Frankly, they don't dare fight back.
The full set of crimes committed? You mean kidnapping, unlawful detention, Assault with intent to maim, conspiracy. The violation of the marital oath is not punishable under law in most jusrisdictions outside the Islamic world. What the women did is.
That said, it was just a little bit of glue between intimate partners. No real harm done. The lesson for the man ought to be, "get the hell away from them before they do something that really hurts".
@JG,
I'm arguing that the non-chalant attitude of the culture towards adultery is a Bad Thing.
Let's return to ponder the oath, and what oaths mean, in a positive way.
"The violation of the marital oath is not punishable under law in most jusrisdictions ..."
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What's funny (or maybe not so funny) is that the Chivalrous Dudes are going to try to punish men even for things that are not crimes (i.e. through shaming, physical intimidation if they can get away with it or other ways), while simultaneously letting women off the hook for things that ARE crimes.
That's how you get results like Mary Winkler.
I don't understand that personality quirk in all too many men. Maybe it's genetic (you have to compete with other men, but protect and "win over" women).
"Let's return to ponder the oath, and what oaths mean, in a positive way."
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Well, I'm not in your target audience. At all.
I think marriage is a joke (I have never been married and will likely never be married).
Back in my casual sex days before AIDS (early 1980s), I remember how many slutty married women were around. Left, right, everywhere.
I thought at the time, "What man is stupid enough to PAY FOR this woman not to work, while she's doing whatever she wants sexually?".
I'd be in favor of penalties for adultery in marriage, it just is not going to happen. The trend is in the OPPOSITE direction (i.e. no-fault). There won't even be a return to Pumpkin leaving the marriage without most of the man's assets if she cheats.
Sorry, it's just all a bit silly. And men can be incredibly gullible and naive.
@JG,
You get the silly and naive society you want.
You've got teenagers using cel-phone cameras to send pics of their genitalia to each other. Their sexuality is but a video game to them.
And yet, reproduction rates continue to crater in purportedly advanced countries.
Yay, Progress! Woo hoo, Sexual Revolution! It is all a quite a bill of goods.
My simple, boring monogamous relationship is comparatively heaven.
Anyone who's ever been cheated on has certainly fantasized about "punishments" like these women carried out. Most people have the sense and self-control to not actually do it. These women are idiots. They deserve to be tried in both the legal system and the court of public opinion, just as any man would be if he'd committed a similar act.
The man deserves all the scorn he'll get from both genders. He may not have committed a crime, but he certainly wronged everyone involved and made a fool of himself.
They're all morons. This is what we get as a society when we ditch personal responsibility and the concept of shame.
Why didn't the wife glue the other three shut at the same time? Obviously, they all knew he was married.
JG said... I'd be in favor of penalties for adultery in marriage, it just is not going to happen.
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Actually, male adultery can be punished in the family courts. She'll can take the kids and house as in most (almost all) divorces, but it is my understanding that when male adultery is involved, they actually consider the behavior that destroyed the family and she gets more alimony and assets while he gets less visitation. I'll try to find a study of this if possible.
Now, the reverse is not true. Women who commit adultery are not punished by the courts, nor can the husband punish them (certainly not physically and get away with it, but he can't throw her out either). In fact, I know of cases involving adultery where the husband ended up giving up the house, car, and so much alimony and child support that his ex was able to not only stay home witout working but also move her unemployed lover in to live nicely without either working--all on the husband's dime.
That is totally twisted, that he is bound by law to pay for his wife and lover to live in his house with his kids. Sick. And he is permanently psychologically damaged for it.
@madeleine said... He may not have committed a crime, but he certainly wronged everyone involved and made a fool of himself.
@br549 said... Obviously, they all knew he was married.
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Perhaps I missed something in the article, but I don't know whether they knew he was married or not. If at any time they had sex with him knowing it, they have nothing to complain about. However, it is possible they stopped when they knew (my wife's ex had an affair, and she confronted the girlfriend to find out she didn't know). Of course, neither would justify the assault.
Potential six-year prison sentences suggest the charges are simple assault. Why aren't these women being charged with sexual assault? I'm pretty sure genital contact without consent constitutes sexual assault in most, if not all, states in the US.
A $200 bail? Hell, they'll probably have parties awaiting them for the display of grrrrl power.
Let's ask what would happen if 4 guys bound a cheating woman and glued her thighs and breasts together.
I'm guessing $50,000 bail, kidnapping, unlawful detention, aggravated assault, conspiracy, maybe attempted rape, not to mention hate crimes possibilities too. They'd be in the pokey for 25 years.
Nah, justice is 'blind' when it comes to women...
@trust 10:25--
Apparently, none of the women knew about the other women until later. Therefore, the man wronged all of them by keeping his multiple relationships a secret. Of course, if any of the women knew about the wife or the other girlfriends and slept with him anyway, then that is their bad judgement. I don't think any of the 5 people involved in this story are geniuses.
@trust 10:21--
That is a deplorable situation which will never be resolved as long as we have no-fault divorce.
Just to muddy the waters a little more, why did the other women have sex with someone they did not know well enough to know if he was married or not? That does not sound like good judgment to me. Did they deserve to be cheated on, nope. Did they put themselves in a bad situation, probably. I hope they learn to be more discriminating. I hope they also learn to not sexually assault people they are angry with.
For the record, if he made a promise to his wife to forsake all others, he broke it and is guilty of that. There are moral and spiritual consequences for that kind of betrayel. JG says he would not make that promise in terms of a marriage, so no promise, no lie. But if the promise is made, things are different.
Sexual assault is never justified and 20 years would be a good start for the criminals who attacked him.
Trey
Similarly, but slightly off topic, I do find it both amusing and infuriating that feminists simultaneously argue that 1) men and women are basically the same, and 2) laws, punishments, rulings/settlements (such as divorce and custody) and reactions should be different based on gender (but only if they benefit women).
All I saw is that all four women were involved. He was lured to the hotel room for the glue job. Therefore, all knew at the time of the glue job, including his wife.
"Four women, including his wife, showed up to bind and blindfold the man........"
The whole thing is a riot.
Nah, justice is 'blind' when it comes to women...
Dude. Justice is a woman!
Sorry for the intrusion, but what do you people think of the language used by the report? The language strikes me as clearly intended to titillate ( at the expense of the person concerned ). Informal slangs such as "on his package", the dramatic "stand up comedy" style of description of event etc. - I don't think such would be present if a woman faced anything similar in retaliation for any of her crimes.
Trust --
While typical, it's not absolute. The main factor in my gaining full custody was her being a drunken slut. Also all assets and no alimony, etc. But, as with all law, things should be determined fairly, case by case.
I read a different report on the same incident. the woman that actually lured him to the hotel, struck him, and used the glue, is MARRIED herself. She has no grounds for any righteous indignation.
@Oligonicella said... While typical, it's not absolute. The main factor in my gaining full custody was her being a drunken slut. Also all assets and no alimony, etc. But, as with all law, things should be determined fairly, case by case.
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It happens that courts get it right in custody, but often they are sexist and wrong. If she wasn't a drunken slut, she probably would have won even if she didn't deserve to.
In the case I mentioned, where the woman in question is family to friends (so it was not use taken up for a man who got cheated), the husband actually hid a camera in the living room because kids told him about another man. He found her giving daily oral sex on the couch, daily sex on the couch, doing illegal drugs...all with the children in the house. Courts didn't care... said there was no reason to put them in day care when they could be home with mom. Actually, they are home with a high slut of a mom and her drug addict dead beat lover. Their good influence, Dad, sees them every other weekend.
Dr H, you quit quoting right before it got really good. And by "good" I mean absurd, of course.
"I am disturbed. I am upset. I am having a hard time handling life; an emotional wreck," Wendy Sewell, 43, of Kaukauna, said in a telephone interview from her home. "I am ashamed."
Anyone playing the game of "What if the sexes were reversed?" should start there. The problem with two different standards of justice, starts with the two different standards of personal responsibility versus biopic mushiness. Wendy Sewell is going through emotional trauma and is having a tough time handling life because she assaulted someone.
Trust wrote: "He found her giving daily oral sex on the couch, daily sex on the couch, doing illegal drugs...all with the children in the house. Courts didn't care... "
Absurd. All those behaviors hurt the children. Not the sex per se, but cheating on the children's husband and engaging in behaviors like that with the kids in the house. Amazing.
The court should get the therapy or rehab bill when those chickens come hime to roost.
Trey
If we throw the book at them, let's also throw the book at him. He bilked several of them out of their savings
TMink - unfortunately, some judges participate in the same behaviors. The judge in my divorce was divorced himself (son by that marriage) had a long time affair with a local female attorney whom he finally married after she became pregnant.
Coincidentally, he also had a brother who was a priest that had an affair with a married woman and got her pregnant. I remember at one point the judge began talking about the children's moral upbringing and I had to bite my tongue so hard I thought it would bleed.
He turned out to be a fair judge though.
I hope these women get the book thrown at them but with a 200 dollar bail set, probably nothing will happen. What do you think?
I think that they should get the book at them. I also think that a bail of $200 indicates that it's likely that their punishment, if any, will be very light. In addition, I think that the wife's name should have been published. Those in the Neenah geographic area with standards have enough information to, for example, ostracize the other three, but not enough to do so to the man's wife.
Dadvocate, I am very happy he was a fair judge. I can live with that, and I bet your kids can too.
Trey
Well, this all goes to what I've always said about the modern American girl. Buy her a tequila shot, lie to her face, fuck her once, then dump her in the morning before she wakes up. Replace her with another bar slut the next night.
But then this goes with what I've always said about women all along. When you play with women, you're playing with fire.
This guy was an idiot, and he deserves all that happened to him. If he hadn't put himself in that situation to begin with, he wouldn't have to deal with consequences.
That said, where is the indignation for the behavior of these women? They knew what they were doing, fucking some guy who was not their husband. Why do they get to act out without any consequences?
If the guy found out that his wife was screwing around behind his back, he'd be slapped with the child support. But a woman who screws around gets to super glue a man's dick to his stomach?
Change the culture and change the law. If you want marriage to mean anything.
wow. jerry springer.....
"good" journalism?
why are we even being delivered this message in an uncensored media?
and i wonder how the one woman`s husband is handling the whole thing.
"you did what honey"?
Um, GG, I don't post often and tend to agree with your posts quite often.
However, you kinda advocate behavior on the one hand...
"Well, this all goes to what I've always said about the modern American girl. Buy her a tequila shot, lie to her face, fuck her once, then dump her in the morning before she wakes up. Replace her with another bar slut the next night."
... and then on the other hand, you castigate it:
"That said, where is the indignation for the behavior of these women? They knew what they were doing, fucking some guy who was not their husband. Why do they get to act out without any consequences?"
From what I saw, none of the other women besides his wife was alleged to be married. If they are single, they can bang whoever they want, you included, as per your 1st sentence. Or are only guys allowed to pump & dump?
Unfortunately, chances are that those "women" will never see the inside of a jail sell.
Anyone want to start a pool on when they'll show up on Oprah? With or without a book deal?
Does anyone know how much money he stole from these women? They need to be charged with physical assault, and he needs to be charged with theft, however he obtained it.
Using the phrase "cheated on" has confused many people's thinking. Even here.
What evidence of "theft" is there? is it just that the flow of money in a sexual relationship didn't go in the standard direction, from male to female, therefore it obviously was "theft"? Yes, it's such a crime that sometimes women pay for things. That should certainly be against the law.
And this is only according to the word of one of the perps. But she's a woman, so obviously her word is unassailable gospel, and not a lame excuse for her own criminal behavior.
I do love how when the victim is male, some people (especially members of the kinder and more compassionate gender) always have to add that the man should be punished too. As if our society has any problem whatsoever punishing men when there is an incident involving women.
Peter sez: "What evidence of "theft" is there? is it just that the flow of money in a sexual relationship didn't go in the standard direction, from male to female, therefore it obviously was "theft"?"
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Yeah, but that's just a given.
I've seen articles about the "Romeo Embezzler" in the paper, and read about how he romanced an older woman with money and got the flow going his way, and always think that if it was the other way around, it's just called "dating" and "romance" and then "marriage".
Men pay for women. Period. If women ever pay for men, for any reason, the man is a thief.
And the "Romeo Thief" gets 5 years in prison.
But otherwise, we're all exactly equal.
I wouldn't vote to convict if he killed them all and I was on the jury.
Well, I'm simply saying that men are blamed for the same behavior that women are excused for. Which is why I believe there is nothing wrong with paying her exactly what she's willing to accept--a tequila shot and a lie to the face--for one night of sex.
But this guy went far beyond that. He was messing around with what no sane man would, that is multiple women. It's hard enough dealing with one woman after you've dumped her, even though that was the implicit agreement from the very beginning.
However, this guy didn't make that deal. He was stringing these girls along. So I have no sympathy for him, because he should have known better.
The larger point is that what these women did was a crime, whereas what he did was not. It was simply stupid.
Will these women be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Somehow I don't think so. And therein lies the rub.
I guess only a couple people read the article in full before commenting. I resemble that remark sometimes.
I think we're over-lawyered these days, as when, for example, a kid who violates a school policy is arrested.
There's something to be said for riding someone out of town on a rail (although molasses rather than tar would be best). If the guy's member is still intact he got off easy. They're all sleazy as hell, but it had worked itself out before the police got involved.
We can all think of times when social pressures resulted in unfair outcomes, but then the same thing can be said of legal proceedings. We're trying to legislate perfection, and the law is becoming a substitute for common sense.
TO: Dr. Helen, et al.
RE: Heh
This just up at Fox News.
The man allegedly assaulted by the women has now been charged with:
• Child Abuse
• Theft
• Harrassment with a Death Threat in a Domestic Abuse Investigation
• Unlawful Phone Use
He's in jail....
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Everyone MUST be punished, somehow....]
I think it's all a big mistake. I think they were in a hurry for love
There was a young couple from Delhi
Spent their honeymoon belly to belly
Because in their haste
They used library paste
Instead of petroleum jelly.
TO: madeleine
RE: Try NOT....
Anyone who's ever been cheated on has certainly fantasized about "punishments" like these women carried out. -- madeleine
....to project your malicious nature on the rest of us.
I've been 'cheated on'. And I've never had such a fantasy.
If there's punishment to be had, I'll leave it up to God. He's much better at it than I could ever be.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Vengeance is Mine.......sayeth You-Know-Who....]
Men are strong and I expect more out of them. The women deserve no more than 90 days in the slammer and weekend service should do it.
I think Chuck nailed it. But in today's weird society it seems that actions that once were unspeakable are now not only common place but not even worthy of intervention by the authorities or by the local citizen mobs who used to put people in the courtyard in wooden stocks for everybody to come and ridicule.
Much to the shame of our society.
(now, not then)
"Blogger Peter said...
What evidence of "theft" is there? is it just that the flow of money in a sexual relationship didn't go in the standard direction, from male to female, therefore it obviously was "theft"? Yes, it's such a crime that sometimes women pay for things. That should certainly be against the law.
And this is only according to the word of one of the perps. But she's a woman, so obviously her word is unassailable gospel, and not a lame excuse for her own criminal behavior."
A story: My daughter has been married twice and divorced twice. She made off with money and treasure each time. She has taken after her mother (a very good teacher) in that for her whole adult life she has been taking money from men for her sexual favors. Including the two times she was "married". She has never once been punished or reprimanded for her behavior. She is now almost 46 y/o and finds that her body's sexual appeal has left her stranded.
As a result, with no past history of work nor accomplishment nor of savings (it is all gone and she is almost destitute) she has came back to her daddy with no other place to go.
My daughter has learned the hard way that what Waylon said: "What goes around comes around" applies to the female as well as the male, it just takes longer.
What a tangled...self destructive life some live.
Personal responsibility?...it is a thing of the past.
Papa Ray
West Texas
Remember John and Lorena Bobbitt?
Not long after the "incident", NPR broadcast a happy little song by The Capitol Steps which began like this:
"Thanks to Lorena Bobbitt we've gained a way to give men what the're due. Act like a chauvinist pig and you'll get snipped like a Bobbitt in two."
Such a light-hearted attitude toward genital mutilation of a woman would never be countenanced, not even if she were twice as vile as John Bobbitt reported was, which once again demonstrates that there is indeed a double standard at work.
I have heard similar things for years, and always thought it was an urban legend. Maybe the previous stories were. I was not brilliant enough to reverse the situation when I first heard it, but that inevitably occurred to me sometime over the years.
If a man had glued shut the vagina of an adulterous wife, we would regard it as a sick, highly disturbed, and heinous act. How exactly is this different?
Kill hate and violence
"How exactly is this different?"
It ain't.
Trey
Trust --
"It happens that courts get it right in custody, but often they are sexist and wrong."
Yes, we agree.
"If she wasn't a drunken slut, she probably would have won even if she didn't deserve to."
There were other circumstances. That was just the main.
ABC News presented this story as a woman scorned article -- not as a straight up sexual assault, kidnapping (unlawful detention), and theft.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Weekend/story?id=8229825&page=1
If you mess with one scorned woman, you're bound to get burned. If you mess with two, things could really get ugly. ...
The Chicago Tribune comments section is sickening....lots of 'he deserved it' 'he got what he had coming' and similar crowing by the female posters. What man could read that and not be disgusted?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/chi-talk-crazy-glueaug04,0,7721966.story
a man wasn`t getting along with his wife, but he noticed her lubricant was still getting emptier.
so replaced the lubricant with superglue.
it only took eight hours in surgery to seperate them.
(story told at the dinner table in a movie i watched recently, called the broken.)
Not to hijack this thread, but whatever hapenned to the Glenn and Helen show?
Of course the guy is in jail now on charges of domestic and child abuse. What do you think the odds were that after the wife was arrested for her crime, after she got out on her joke bail of $200, that the first thing she did was make false accusations? It's just a continuation of her assault on him. And she knows she'll never be held accountable if they are false.
Sure, there's a chance he's actually guilty. But the charges appeared conveniently just as the woman needed him to be demonized and to make herself look like a victim. Note that when the wife arranged this bizarre punishment for her husband, for some reason it had nothing to do with the now-alleged abuse, which seems worse than cheating to me.
If someone cheats on you, you're entirely within your rights to completely exclude them from your life, and let any of your mutual acquaintances know why you did so.
As soon as you do something that would get you in trouble if you did it to complete stranger, you're out of line.
-jcr
TO: Peter
RE: My Thoughts....
It's just a continuation of her assault on him. And she knows she'll never be held accountable if they are false. -- Peter
....exactly.
And that the police didn't use their heads to investigate before throwing him in jail is appalling.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[There are not enough jails, not enough police, not enough courts to enforce a law not supported by the people. -- Hubert H. Humphrey]
Peter and Chuck -- Sorry, guys, but from the article I read, it looks like the cops did their due diligence, and the man pretty much admitted that the charges were true, just not as bad as they were making them out to be:
The complaint gives the following account of the allegations against the man:
One girl told investigators that when her father found out that her mother had learned a woman had been present and painted the girl's fingernails during a visitation earlier in the day, the father got angry and beat the girl.
The girl's sister told investigators she saw her father slapping her sister and stating, "God I hate you." The girl suffered a swollen eye and a knot on her forehead.
The father told investigators "he plays rough with the kids and may have hit her."
In a voice mail message to his wife on July 31 - the day after he was tied up in the motel room - the man indicated he had her father's ashes and that if he did not receive a call from her, he was going to throw a "cup of them" away every hour.
The wife told investigators her father's ashes were kept in an urn in her Fond du Lac home and must have been taken last Thursday or Friday.
The man told investigators he had the urn, and he gave it to police in Appleton.
One of the man's alleged lovers told investigators the man remarked to her that he wanted to confront his wife by ramming her vehicle off the road while she delivered newspapers and "bash her with a rock."
The man told investigators he made the statement but was not serious. He acknowledged making harassing calls and text messages "to get a rise" out of his estranged wife.
The man also discussed with his alleged lover a plan to take out a $1 million life insurance policy on his wife because he had a friend who had been in Iraq and was a sharpshooter.
The man said the plot would require him to be shot but not killed and that the only flaw was that he had told the lover about it "and he would have to kill her too."
The man told investigators there had been talk about a life insurance policy but that he lied about knowing a sharpshooter.
Before reading all that, I felt pretty much the same as you guys, that even a four-(or more-)timing guy like that didn't deserve to get his wedding tackle glued to his stomach. Now I'm kind of wishing they'd glued his butthole shut, too. After some time in jail, he may end up wishing the same thing!
Thanks for the informative post; I saw the same on Fox News.
According to the Fox News report he's being treated as a victim of sexual assault (which is one reason his identity hasn't been released by the Associated Press at least). The four women involved are also being charged with the felony of "false imprisonment".
And yes, evidence is coming out that he's also a lowlife (meaning, a lowlife to a greater extent than being a rampant adulterer). The women still should've just reported him to the police for any child abuse incidents, thefts, and threats rather than assaulting him.
I feel bad for the children, having to be raised by "adults" like these.
Good question, John
and then this just took place
http://www.newser.com/story/66293/greek-woman-torches-randy-tourists-genitals.html
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Because of views that "anything between consenting adults is ok" has hijacked the law, there is now no redress for the type of actions this guy took. This is what happens when hurts that for ages were avoided by law, tradition, or threat of the relatives, now have the full impramatur of the law and the culture behind them.
A slap on the wrist is all that they should get. Think of 9-5, should Dolly and the girls all have been keel-hauled?
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@jjv said... A slap on the wrist is all that they should get. Think of 9-5, should Dolly and the girls all have been keel-hauled?
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Well, it is a movie meant to entertain, unlike what these real-life women did. But, if someone did in real life what dolly and the girls did--abducted and imprisoned their boss--then yes, they should be punished. Feelings aren't license to break the law. How about finding a new job?
I wish this 9-5 defense was a first, but I've seen people try to imitate the nonsense on shows such as Desperate Housewives before. Maybe I should become a vigilante lke batman. If caught, I'll have my lawyer sayd "Think of the Dark Knight, should Bruce and his assistants all have been keel-hauled." that will get me out of it--or will it?
Or is this sexism at work? I can't see this defense working for four men that held a slut captive and gluing her va-j-j shut.
i haven't read any of the comments because i know that many of them are anti women. it is a pity that the these sort of things manage to damage the fact that there are a few good womaen out there who do love men and aren't the least bit interested in such a revenge..in fact it wouldn't even enter into their brains to do such a thing. but then we (like me) wouldn't be involved with that sort of man.
missred said...
i haven't read any of the comments because i know that many of them are anti women. it is a pity that the these sort of things manage to damage the fact that there are a few good womaen out there who do love men and aren't the least bit interested in such a revenge..in fact it wouldn't even enter into their brains to do such a thing. but then we (like me) wouldn't be involved with that sort of man.
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We know there are good women out there, which is why we are all here. Dr. Helen is an example of a good woman.
Are you a US Congressman? Just wondered, since you cast your vote (decided it's anti-woman) without reading the document. (Just a bit of read before you decide humor)
I too believe that there are good women, but I look around today and I see mostly bad women just following suit and taking advantage of the option that are available to them without a care to the men they are destroying. It's just what I see.
I hope these women get the book thrown at them but with a 200 dollar bail set.
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