Tuesday, December 05, 2006

Meninism

A new movement is afoot (Thanks Allah Pundit):

MENINISM is the catchcry of a movement of males who will storm the streets and burn their ties, rallying against the "all men are bastards" image that has an entire sex pigeonholed as violent, heartless and untrustworthy.

This is according to a new study saying there is a competing interest to the feminist struggle for equality; men and boys are now the target of negative stereotypes.

The research shows almost 70 per cent of social commentary on the male gender is unfavourable – portraying men as violent, sexually abusive, unable to be trusted with children, "deadbeat dads" and commitment-phobic.

In the largest Australian study of its kind, Dr Jim Macnamara analysed more than 2000 media articles and programs and found men were mostly positioned as villains, aggressors, perverts or philanderers.

Yes, well, any women's magazine will tell you that.


I am not sure American men are to the point where they will take to the streets and burn their ties...or are they?

72 Comments:

Anonymous cadmus said...

men wont burn their ties, we will work slow, we will stop doing the mucky jobs, like taking the trash, etc.. will not get married.

but of course the feminist press will say men planted those stories, so they can have the patriarchy back.

3:28 PM, December 05, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am not sure American men are to the point where they will take to the streets and burn their ties...or are they?"

As Darren Mack.

4:42 PM, December 05, 2006  
Anonymous Jim said...

Except that nine times out of ten it is women who have the sense to pick up on this inequality and write the articles. Mistreatment of men is a women's issue, as long as women have sons and brothers and husbands.

4:43 PM, December 05, 2006  
Anonymous Dr. Will said...

I have wondered when we would see this issue more widely discussed in the popular press. It has been written about by a number of people since the 90's. Those who tackle the subject have been attacked or ignored for the most part. Feminists who discuss this are generally labeled as traitors, faux feminists, pod feminists, and the like.

The most recent book on the topic that I know of just came out this past spring. It is Legalizing Misandry: From Public Shame to Systemic Discrimination Against Men by Paul Nathanson and Katherine K. Young (McGill-Queen's University Press - April 5, 2006)

These authors also wrote Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture by Paul Nathanson and Katherine K. Young (McGill-Queen's University Press - November 2001)

Daphne Patai, Cathy Young, Doris Lessing, Warren Farrell, Christina Sommers, Kathleen Parker, Camille Paglia, Wendy McElroy, and quite a few others have written on this over the past decade, some quite extensively. Patai's two books Heterophobia and Professing Feminism, Young's Ceasefire, Sommer's Who Stole Feminism, and Farrell's Myth of Male Power were particularly interesting to me.

Dr. Will

4:44 PM, December 05, 2006  
Anonymous Jim said...

From the article comes a perfect example of the problem:

"University of Sydney media department Associate Professor Catherine Lumby was practically waving a Meninism placard along with Dr Macnamara until she heard that comment.

"I'm sorry, if you want better statistics on this go to some experts," she says – a touch aggressively.

"The statistics are overwhelming; the majority of sexual violence and domestic assaults is committed by men. That is sad, I don't blame men, I don't think they are some terrible, natural force who are evil.

"Yes, some women are violent but for most women the problem is they are victims of violence."

This poor women is equating violence against women to violence in general, either because she is a bigot and think that is the only violence that matters, or because she is a liar and is simply eliding violence against children, overwhelmingly committed by wome or the men they bring into the home (for which the women bear the ultimate responsiblity) or else because she is just stupid and takes statistics at face value without evaluating the reliablity of the data sample.


Pace Dr. Lumby, if someone is abusing children, her biggest problem is not that she is a victim of violence. The women has a PhD; now all she needs is a moral conscience.

4:52 PM, December 05, 2006  
Anonymous Dr. Ellen said...

Men and women seem to be roughly equal, for both good and ill. But when men get personally nasty, the result can usually be photographed. When women get personally nasty, the result is more often carved into the soul. You can't photograph the soul. So it's not all that hard documenting the evil of men, but the evil of women is only a matter of opinion. Thus, men are stuck with the rap a lot more frequently.

5:13 PM, December 05, 2006  
Blogger Captain Holly said...

I am not sure American men are to the point where they will take to the streets and burn their ties...or are they?

We wouldn't burn our ties -- most men don't wear them anyway, and it's doubtful any of us regard them as a symbol of feminine oppression.

Rather, as Cadmus noted, we'll just refuse to get married, buy flowers, remember birthdays, ask single women out for a date, etc. In cases where we are financially secure enough, we'll dump a snotty woman for someone who is prettier, younger, and sexier.

I don't personally advocate any of those measures -- my wife and I have been happily married for almost 19 years. But in most cases, the women of America are getting the men they deserve.

5:13 PM, December 05, 2006  
Blogger The Tiger said...

I prefer the term "misandrism", myself, or "misandrists" for the offenders.

But I imagine the present-day male reluctance to marry is linked with these phenomena...

6:20 PM, December 05, 2006  
Blogger The Tiger said...

Strike that, not "misandrism" -- "misandry".

6:21 PM, December 05, 2006  
Anonymous SaltedSlug said...

The contemporary American males' disenchantment with the contemporary American female was recognized by Naomi Wolf of New York Magazine a few years ago ... who promptly blamed it on the increased availability of porn: http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/index.html

I'm not sure how long the scapegoat period will last, but the creativity likely to be exercised is sure to be entertaining.

7:06 PM, December 05, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wolf totally fails to see the real problem; women like her and other feminists have declared that women shall have sex on their terms and only when they want it. Society has bought into this totally. Any man who desires sex more frequently than his mate is now a disgusting pervert. And when his mate does acquiesce, conditions are often attached. This situation has become so ubiquitous, comedians can't even joke about it anymore.

In the end, many men, myself included, have gotten so fed up of playing bullshit sexual games with their wives, that they (we) sexually satisfy ourselves with porn.

(My anecdotal evidence is that women not only accept this, but approve of it as long as the pretense that it isn't happening is fully maintained. It is, ironically, Victorianism all over except with fictional mistresses.)

12:25 AM, December 06, 2006  
Anonymous triticale said...

I doubt I will ever again have a job which will give me the opportunity to wear a necktie. What I plan to do with mine is not burn them, but donate all but a few favorites to the thrift store, where most likely they will get purchased as craft supplies.

12:27 AM, December 06, 2006  
Blogger jw said...

Generally speaking I agree that men will continue to withdraw from women and from most social interactions. Some men will fight, some always have. The bigots will go on and on with their hate. Some women will join the men and try to fix the mess.

That is, until a crisis point is reached. Who knows which crisis point. Then ... I don't know what will happen.

Change must happen, but at present I cannot see how.

3:13 AM, December 06, 2006  
Blogger Kim du Toit said...

We won't burn anything. We'll just go to a pub, watch some sports, and have a few drinks with our buddies.

Instead of going out on a date.

5:58 AM, December 06, 2006  
Blogger BobH said...

This is relevant to the subject:

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/06/women-and-aggression-an-interview-with-patricia-pearson/

I've read "When She Was Bad" and it contains a memorable phrase: "Men tend to be hunters while women tend to be trappers". This means that women, when they commit violence, tend to do it by betraying people who trust them. From personal experience, fully internalizing this concept dramatically reduces a man's willingness to get married or otherwise deeply trust a woman. Also from personal experience, most American women, including young ones, seem completely oblivious to the consequences of this situation, instead blaming this whole state of affairs on men. To paraphrase the contemptuous phrase used by women during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings, women "just don't get it".

9:41 AM, December 06, 2006  
Anonymous Richard Aubrey said...

I haven't been in the dating scene since about 1968, given finding The One, a few years in the Army, and then a marriage going on thirty-five years.
I do see the negative stereotypes, but I wonder what, outside of court, difference they make.
My son married into a family with three tall, attractive, athletic, confident, accomplished women, mother the same, and they couldn't be nicer to the sons in law, the fathers of the sons in law, and in a couple of cases, the grandfathers of the sons in law.
When the three young couples are together, they look like a co-ed beach volleyball team whose female players are six feet tall and appear just right next to their towering husbands.
Women like this have to marry strong men, since no others would have the temerity to approach them.
All of which is to say that, except for the occasional encounter with unhappy women who have chosen to be feminists to cope, I don't personally see what many seem to see.
And when I encounter the feminists previously mentioned, I generally manage to annoy them without losing my smile and good cheer.
It's kind of fun.

9:48 AM, December 06, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We won't burn anything. We'll just go to a pub, watch some sports, and have a few drinks with our buddies.

Agreed. All this really requires a more simple, more traditional reaction.

Stiff upper lip. Don't let 'em get you down.

As for the 'instead of going on a date' part: Sure the cards are stacked against you. But if you don't play, you can't win. If you want candy you're going to have to go to the store.

9:51 AM, December 06, 2006  
Blogger Rizzo said...

As for the 'instead of going on a date' part: Sure the cards are stacked against you. But if you don't play, you can't win.

I'm not always sure what exactly there is to win, though.

I'm in a good relationship now, but should anything happen that would result in it ending, I wouldn't be in a big hurry to begin dating again. I hated it when I went through it before. It was like competing for prizes that no one in their right mind should really want to win. That might sound harsh, but that's the way I felt about it at the time. No thanks on doing that again. I'd rather be happily single.

10:34 AM, December 06, 2006  
Blogger TMink said...

Minimeism? Does this mean I have to get a bald dwarf to join the movement?

Trey

11:03 AM, December 06, 2006  
Anonymous Jim said...

"I do see the negative stereotypes, but I wonder what, outside of court, difference they make."

Well, increasingly, that where the problems get handled. Everything is wonderful unitl its' not. That's where character becomes an issue - that's when strong confident women turn into wounded little girls for the gullible judge's sake, when the accusations of physical and sexual abuse come in, the demands for all the property, the disportionate physical retaliation and all the rest. And even if they start out with qualms, some friend or aunt with talk them through it all.

It is not a problem in blood relationships, because family is family, but unlike blood, marriage is an alliance rather than kinship. This is why samurai were always advised to sleep with their swords when they slept with thier wives, whoi were usually members of rival families, and really always remained such.

3:02 PM, December 06, 2006  
Anonymous cadmus said...

if you dont play you dont lose either, you dont win. but i would rather be alone to be able to do what i want than have a gold digger attacking my wallet.

3:34 PM, December 06, 2006  
Blogger Helen said...

cadmus,

I really don't think those are the only two options. A gold digger on one hand or opting out as another to live life alone (unless you just love being alone, some people do). What about looking for someone who likes you for yourself and with whom you could have fun and share yourself? I really believe those people still exist.

3:52 PM, December 06, 2006  
Anonymous MissJean said...

It's a vicious cycle, really. Many of the women I knew who were man-haters (in media and academia) were also the ones that routinely looked for relationships based on the supposedly "enlightened feminist" ideal: relationships based on mutual interest and without intentions of marriage. Then they'd go ballistic when the men they fell in love with ended up (surprise!) hurting them by infidelity or leaving when the going got tough.

You can't go around treating the other sex as evil and then try to be a good spouse or parent. That kind of attitude poisons everything.

4:17 PM, December 06, 2006  
Anonymous Will said...

Miss Jean said:
You can't go around treating the other sex as evil and then try to be a good spouse or parent. That kind of attitude poisons everything.


Most of the American women I have known over the years do not consciously subscribe to the overt "men are evil" version of feminism, though I do know more than a few of those. However most of the American women I know have absorbed a LOT of semi-sanitized but still very misandrist feminist dogma/mythology. I think that this kind of stuff has been so pervasive for so many years that it just gets absorbed and becomes part of ones unconscious belief system. I find these folks are more difficult to deal with than the extremist types, since things are not so over the top as to be instantly obvious. Even women I know who do not consider themselves to be feminists have a good bit of it. Just like other versions of sexism, or racism, or whatever, I think it takes a lot of effort for an individual to become conscious of such beliefs within themselves and challenge them. A friend of mine who used to be a professional feminist activist said it was a terrible shock to her when it finally hit her that her view of men and women was just plain wrong. Like discovering that the world is round when you have believed for your entire life that it was flat. Dr. Helen is one of a relatively small number of women I have come across who appear to be consciously and intentionally trying to figure this out.

Will

8:09 PM, December 06, 2006  
Blogger Jeff said...

In the immortal words of Homer Simpson:
"Lisa, if you don't you don't like your job, you don't go on strike. You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed. That's the American way!"

10:37 PM, December 06, 2006  
Anonymous cadmus said...

but they are getting rarer, and rarer, the entitlement minded people are growing, i am lucky to have my woman, been married 3 years. but i see it happening to my friends and my family. i always tell them.. dont tell them how much money you earn.

4:35 AM, December 07, 2006  
Anonymous cadmus said...

its a very sad state of affairs when men are avoiding all women due to the small but growing sector of society that just wants and sees men as wallets

4:36 AM, December 07, 2006  
Blogger Rowena Hullfire said...

To learn more about this male alienation (malienation?) I looked at a couple of websites recommended to me, No Marriage and American Women Suck.

Wow. Truly sad. These bitter antifeminists are just as attractive as bitter feminists. LOL

Still, most women I know are not feminists and/or golddiggers and/or misandrists. But then again, I don't live in the big impersonal city with its snap judgements and social climbing. People know each other here, very well; they grew up together, we know each others' families and character. Perhaps there's a difference with small towns.

Anyway, it doesn't seem like modern dating rituals and patterns are set up very well to get people together in an authentic way; it really seems to fall into the same old traps, and pretty much ignores character and suitability.

I think the divorce wave of the 70's has really wounded people, too, and now they're grown up and getting married (or not) and having families (or not) and there's this profound, raging insecurity and woundedness underlying everything. It doesn't bode well for healthy adult relationships and healthy families.

11:16 AM, December 10, 2006  
Blogger JMC said...

Afraid of commitment, are they? I think not. The truth is, too many of them see no reason to get married when they can always go to a singles bar when they feel the need for a little "company." Women hailed contraception as something that would give us freedom - as in, the same sexual freedom they percieved men had; in truth, Humana Vitae was right: it has enslaved us. At one time, it was the girl or woman who "slept around" who was regarded as the tramp and the one you stayed away from; now, it's the one who choses to live chastely who is treated like she has some kind of disease.

2:08 AM, December 11, 2006  
Anonymous Jim said...

"People know each other here, very well; they grew up together, we know each others' families and character. Perhaps there's a difference with small towns."

That is so true, and also, people depend on each other and learn to value each other, warts and all.

"Anyway, it doesn't seem like modern dating rituals and patterns are set up very well to get people together in an authentic way; it really seems to fall into the same old traps, and pretty much ignores character and suitability."

Modern dating rituals developed out of the courtesan culture, the "demi-monde". Until after WWI. decent women didin't go on dates with men. High end prostitutes wereavailable for tha, and that has set the tone for the whole ritual - buying dinner for the "lady", because, hey, they man was paying for everything anyway.
But it was an improvement over arranged marriages, and meeting suitbale (prescreened) potential partners at social functions, or at least people at the time thought so, because they chose dating over all the alternatives. At least it gave the semblance of the woman being independent and wordly. And that is an improvement. Now if they would just pay for dinner now and then......

12:34 PM, December 11, 2006  
Anonymous JimboNC said...

Women are about money and men are about things, gadgets in particular.

When I check my wallet to see how much (little) I have my little dog dances around on her hind legs and wags her tail. Don't all women do this when you flash the green?

When men see flashing LEDs their eyes glaze over and they drool down their shirts until the amazing device is there's. Whether suits or T-shirts and jeans they are all suckers for gadgets. Some run away for weekends with their latest finds.

The moral is: women should wear flashing LEDs to attract men and act like gadgets ready for a weekend in the mountains.

2:16 PM, December 11, 2006  
Anonymous Stacy said...

So if the movement is called "Meninism", then its adherents must be "Meninites". The only question remaining is whether the joke references Amish or Aqua Teen Hunger Force!

2:19 PM, December 11, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love the "men are afraid of commitment" whine. "Men suck because they wont marry us, support us, and raise our kids!" It is just so rich with irony.

People say that evolution of the human species has stopped because of modern medicine. But evolution is about surviving to the next generation. Since it is possible to opt out of the gene pool much more easily since the advent of effective and ubiquitous contraception, both angry women and bitter men will have their genes systematically selected out of the pool.

Also, men gifted with qualities that are highly attractive to women, even though the men themselves are not willing to invest their time in the raising their progeny (Why should they?), will not father so many illigimate and accidental children. Effective contraception will devalue their genetic advantages as well.

I wonder what psychology will look like in 200 years?

2:30 PM, December 11, 2006  
Blogger tim maguire said...

violent, sexually abusive, unable to be trusted with children, "deadbeat dads" and commitment-phobic.

Actually, that does kind of sound like us. But so long as elections are settled by football, we'll always have the whitehouse.

2:50 PM, December 11, 2006  
Blogger Rowena Hullfire said...

JMC, I agree with you that Humana Vitae was prophetic. A voice crying in the wilderness, though, not widely read or well understood; however, I believe it really gets at the root of things.

However, a lot of folks want that control and convenience, they are willing to pay the awful price. I see some whirlwind reaping going on. Pandora's box has been opened and the spirits have been unleashed. People have strayed so far, the mental and spiritual capacity is really just not there to deal with HV. (For the most part.)

I wonder what will happen when male contraceptive options get better? Right now it's condoms (iffy, not much fun) and sterilization (way permanent). When a man has total control over his own fertility without necessarily having to make it a permanent decision or wearing the raincoat, it will change things between men and women even more. Aren't there male contraceptive nasal sprays and pills under development?

Still, I'm happy JMC brought up HV. I don't usually, because no one knows what it is. ^5

Oh and BTW...more evidence of the rot: I was doing outreach at a middle school and had to use the bathroom. I couldn't find the staff bathroom, so I used the student one. Some middle school girls were in there talking about a boy. One said, "He'd make a great first husband."

I find that incredibly sad, however, should I be consoled that these girls were still marriage minded at all?

3:24 PM, December 11, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a father of 2 sons and a daughter, happy 27 year husband of the same wife and, yes, my job requires wearing a tie. I would love to burn it, not because of what some feminist said but because it isn't comfortable. I have looked on as the popularity of bashing men has grown over the past 3 decades. Mostly I have applied the "consider the source" rule taught to me by one of the world's great women, my late mother. I have found that those who seek to build themselves up by tearing others down rarely achieve their objective. There are a lot of these folk now working in academic institutions, one reason I am working elsewhere. Also, why should I "get my innards in a knot" about what these people say? I don't want to give them that much control over my life, heck, there are thousands of perfectly good skeet and sporting clays to shoot out there and many many uncaught fish, I'd rather spend my time having fun!

3:59 PM, December 11, 2006  
Blogger Alan said...

I am not sure American men are to the point where they will take to the streets and burn their ties...or are they?

Menism or no menism - the necktie is a noose disguised as a fashion accessory. Burn baby burn!

4:34 PM, December 11, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Society demands that men ritualistically simulate suicide on a daily basis by shaving, and then affix a hangmans noose around their neck for all to see.....


Thats why I went into Emergency Medicine ... I can wear scrubs all day at work.

5:00 PM, December 11, 2006  
Blogger Brian said...

It’s a subtle thing in most relationships, even the good ones. For instance, in marriages that have legs and are going the distance, there’s still the issue of sharing the housework. Almost without exception among my peers and younger, this means cooking, cleaning, vacuuming, laundry, changing diapers, chauffeuring the kids, grocery shopping, etc. are shared equally by the two spouses.

However, maintaining the cars is his job. So is anything that requires heavy lifting, fixing machinery, fixing plumbing, or crawling under the house or on the roof. If he’s lucky, she enjoys yard work; if he’s not, it’s all his. So are most things that require confrontations over money. Balancing the checkbook generally falls entirely to one spouse or the other, and I’ve yet to detect a pattern there, honestly.

It’s not a big thing, and most guys I know just stiff-upper-lip it. But it really comes down to expectations. With sex pretty much off the table (see previous comment above about men who desire more sex than their wives) the marriages that work are those that include a common interest between the spouses. Children is the traditional one, and still seems to get the job done, and is by no means the only one. But without this common interest, the husband can look forward to years of encroaching responsibility and labor with little reward, and shrinking attachment to his wife.

6:16 PM, December 11, 2006  
Anonymous Jim said...

"I have found that those who seek to build themselves up by tearing others down rarely achieve their objective."

It may not be their objective, but it's bad enough for the rest of to want to avoid it. See Bolshevik Revolution, National Workers' Party of Germany, etc.

"There are a lot of these folk now working in academic institutions, one reason I am working elsewhere. Also, why should I "get my innards in a knot" about what these people say? I don't want to give them that much control over my life, heck"

Those are influential positions in the long run, and if you don't want them having power over your life, ignoring them is sure not the way to make that happen.

Brian,

I know of one society that had this all worked out. Before the Communists sorted things out, men and women lived together for only two reasons in the main - one was that it simply took that much work for any tow people to live - you couldn't work the fields and prepare food in the hours of a day - and children. Poeple married to have children, and a marriage had no legal force until an heir was born - you could have a string of daughters, but that counted for nothing.

The exception was rich families. as the wife aged, it was her responsibility to find concubines for the husband. Any resulting sons secured her livelihood in old age too, and this way she could ensure, or take the blame for harmony in the house with this second woman. Also, all this made her appear dutiful and provident.

I think of this system whenever people say that marriage is only about reproduction, or that children are the reason for the instituion. This Chinese system was maximized for that. How Christian would you say it was?

Reproduction probably was the reason human pair bonding evolved - for those who believe in evolution. But we have lots of traits that evolved for conditions in our animal past.

6:59 PM, December 11, 2006  
Anonymous billy said...

Kind of off topic but...

I constantly hear women complain about the lack of good men. To me, there is a lack of good women. I know of few, few women who can cook, sew, paint, mow, camp, fish, garden, wash, etc. Until I find a useful woman, I'm happy to be single.

I'd like to have a partner in life, not a dependant. Someone who'll share the household chores, mow the grass when I'm out of town, cook me a dinner once in a while that wasn't frozen and packaged, etc.

Where are the ladies who know how to check their oil or make fried chicken?

^billy

7:39 PM, December 11, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I clicked on "view my complete profile" but I didn't see any of your tits. Sad.

9:00 PM, December 11, 2006  
Blogger Jim said...

women like her and other feminists have declared that women shall have sex on their terms and only when they want it

Damn those anti-rape activists!

10:01 PM, December 11, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeez, "Dr."...Do you run this blog to attract patients?

11:21 PM, December 11, 2006  
Blogger Maureen O'Danu said...

Where is the peer reviewed control study showing what percentage of media portrayals of women are positive vs. negative? I would suggest that media portrayals of most people are negative, as positive portrayals are rarely news. In other words, there's no "there" there.

7:01 AM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Helen said...

anonymous 9:00,

Why is it that I only get sexist comments when leftie blogs like Pandagon and others link to me? Is your disdain for women that deep that you have to slyly come over here anonymously to ask me about my tits or are you just that out of ideas that this is all you have to offer? Sad.

Maureen o'danu,

The study is called a meta analysis which looks at the literature to analyze the data. It is common in psychological studies. If you feel inclined, do an experiment, go to the MSM like the NYT and Oprah and send me all of the negative stories they have done on women where they are portrayed as morons, bumbling idiots, vicious killers with no conscience and domestic abusers of children and men--without also being portrayed as a victim of some type. I'll be waiting...

7:10 AM, December 12, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doctor, all the comments on men withdrawing from women or denying them birthday presents, or how awful it is that women only want sex when they want it, those are sexist comments. It's a kind of hang-dog sexism, but it's sexism nonetheless.

What I don't get is why your readers look at a study of articles coming from the male dominated media and use it as an excuse to turn on women. What's up with that?

Also, as one of your posters noted, most of the articles in the media are going to depict negative attributes of people, since "news" tends to focus on the out of the ordinary, the criminal, the violent. 70-30 is probably an appropriate ratio of hard news to feel good stories. There is nothing to see here.

10:44 AM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Natasha Yar-Routh said...

Really? you'll go away and leave us alone if we don't quit being Feminists? YAY!!

Please by all means do go away. Have fun with your 'buds', stop asking us out and defiantly don't marry. You will be doing women and the human gene pool a BIG favor.

Go on, go away. Have fun burning your ties.

12:03 PM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Righteous Bubba said...

Doctor, all the comments on men withdrawing from women or denying them birthday presents, or how awful it is that women only want sex when they want it, those are sexist comments.

She means sexist comments about her. All those other bitches can go fuck themselves.

12:06 PM, December 12, 2006  
Anonymous blondie said...

You poor, poor pitiable men. It's nearly impossible to believe women are not beating paths to your doors and pleading with you to cast your regal eyes upon them.

12:18 PM, December 12, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She means sexist comments about her. All those other bitches can go fuck themselves.

The hot "Dr." Helen probably thinks those slags are too shrill and ugly to land a prize man like she has.

12:31 PM, December 12, 2006  
Anonymous Flewellyn said...

So, guys, are you saying that if women don't start doing what you want, you'll stop talking to them all the time and stop constantly bothering them for dates? You'll *gasp* leave them alone?

"Oh, no, Br'er Fox, please don't throw me in that briar patch!"

1:34 PM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Rich Bansha said...

No use arguing about it. The ship already sank. It is over. We have another decade or so where women will still be able to exploit men, but every victim will wise up dozens who have not been trapped yet.

That is good news for everybody. Women will not have to fear violent men anymore. They won't know any men at all. Men will escape the abuse from women by creating alternative lifestyles that do not include women.

The opression of the patriacrchical family will be over. The wage slavery of alimony and child support will become extinct as the birthrate evaporates.

Don't fight it. Go with it. Freedom is always a good thing. Just imagine all of the human potential unleashed. I can't wait until the new dawn of liberty.

1:50 PM, December 12, 2006  
Anonymous MuleChwingBriars said...

I'm gonna buy stock in Purina. They're gonna be selling a lot of Meow Mix in a few more years.

Gotta love the Sexual Revolution: Three years of fun paid for by a couple of decades of retroviruses and a retirement with a house full of cats.

3:06 PM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Maureen O'Danu said...

Helen. So you admit it's not peer reviewed, and the data regarding female portrayals in the media was not analyzed?

9:09 PM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Maureen O'Danu said...

Oh. And "Meninism" is akin to the white Americans that complain that whites don't have a white history month. What racists fail to realize is that blacks have February and white (males) have every other month. Men have negative media portrayals and almost all of the portrayals of people in power, people with influence, and people moving world events.

9:14 PM, December 12, 2006  
Anonymous SaltedSlug said...

"What racists fail to realize is that blacks have February and white (males) have every other month."

I have a dream that one day adults will be ashamed to make statements exhibiting such monumental irony.

1:54 AM, December 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Several cultural trends have started. One is the marriage strike. Men, especially those who have gone through divorce, have learned that marriage is a financial death spiral. Women can too easily "cash out" of marriages taking the kids, house, and available financial resources with the happy blessings of family court and no-fault divorce laws. So, men wisely say "no thanks" to marriage. Just recently, the number of unmarried people grew past the number of married people in this country.

Another social trend is the "outsourcing" brides. Despite a grossly unfair federal law (IMBRA) a rapidly increasing number of men are looking for wives in foreign countries. The general impression is that some cultures raise their women to be, well, women! These foreign are perceived by American men to be prettier, slimmer, and most importantly, nicer than there American counterparts.

Men will burn their ties. They will burn their ties to American women. I propose a new law - all single American women at 40 receive a free pet cat. Of course, the challenge is to find enough cats.

9:18 AM, December 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My heart breaks for the guys on here. If you knew what it was to form a loving relationship with a woman, you wouldn't be snarking about cats and withheld birthday presents.

You may have never met a woman like me, but we do exist. When we first met, my now-husband lived off my salary, in my apartment, for the first year we dated. He worked so hard that year, he now outearns me by a factor of 10.

My husband complains that he has no Christmas gifts for me because I won't ask for anything. (That's true, I won't. I don't need anything.)

This morning, I woke up, brushed my teeth, took off my pjs and slipped back into bed to proposition my fella.

Now I have my own life and my own friends, so it's not like I spend my every waking minute trying to please my guy, but I love him, so I do what I can.

And because he's a great guy, I know that deep down, the commenters here have it in them to be great guys too. I'm just sorry they haven't found a partner that inspired them to make that choice. I'm not saying you can't be angry at the crap life hands you, but you have to believe it can get better. Otherwise, what's the point?

2:16 PM, December 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the article - "We won’t burn anything. We’ll just go to a pub, watch some sports, and have a few drinks with our buddies.

Instead of going out on a date."

I'm looking for an equal partner in a man, and if equality is so difficult - such a loss for these men - then it's fine with me if they don't want to date. I like to have a man in my life, but I do great without one, too.

And as for what's in the media and magazines - well, if I bought into any of that, I'd be anorexic.

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