"Who are the feminists again?"
In the case of Sarah Palin, it seems to be the Republicans. Jennifer Rubin at PJM states:
If Palin were a Democrat, we would not be having this national conversation about her children, her ability to mother and the other dirt that the MSM is flinging against her. Instead, the media would hail her as a hero, a role model for young girls and beyond reproach. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Update: Katie Granju points out that not all liberals and feminists are using double standards in the Palin case: "So Dr. Helen (and all you other conservative bloggers and pundits), please don't make such sweeping generalizations about how "liberals" and "feminists" are using a double standard when it comes to Sarah Palin as mother and candidate. I challenge you to recognize that there are a lot of us - myself included - who may not plan to vote for Sarah Palin, but who will certainly cheer her trailblazing political path as a great step forward for ALL women - and especially for working mothers."
And Ms. Granju, I challenge you to think before you make sweeping generalizations that "teenage boys are stupid."
Sarah Palin has set off a new round of political fisticuffs in the “Mommy Wars” and in the Culture Wars. How could a newcomer and her pregnant teenage daughter do all that in a mere six days on the national scene?
Perhaps it was inevitable that any woman selected, that is — any woman selected on a Republican ticket — would be subjected to inquiries about how she is going to manage domestic responsibilities.
Five kids of her own and a grandchild on the way simply provided the pretext for the media’s new found attention for a candidate’s familial responsibilities. How is Barack Obama attending to his young daughters? No one would dream to ask. But the McCain-Palin team is getting grilled on just this topic.
Columnists in the mainstream media, who ordinarily would not dare to question the premise that mothers should be able to work and aspire to successful careers, are now the parental police,...
If Palin were a Democrat, we would not be having this national conversation about her children, her ability to mother and the other dirt that the MSM is flinging against her. Instead, the media would hail her as a hero, a role model for young girls and beyond reproach. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Update: Katie Granju points out that not all liberals and feminists are using double standards in the Palin case: "So Dr. Helen (and all you other conservative bloggers and pundits), please don't make such sweeping generalizations about how "liberals" and "feminists" are using a double standard when it comes to Sarah Palin as mother and candidate. I challenge you to recognize that there are a lot of us - myself included - who may not plan to vote for Sarah Palin, but who will certainly cheer her trailblazing political path as a great step forward for ALL women - and especially for working mothers."
And Ms. Granju, I challenge you to think before you make sweeping generalizations that "teenage boys are stupid."
posted by Helen at 11:35 AM
47 Comments:
"Staggering"? Nah, to be staggering it would have to be unexpected.
To be fair and as your husband has pointed out, there are liberal blogs disassembling the crap, just as there were conservative ones taking apart the Obama slander.
The problem is that blogs are a snap to put up and any moron on meth can have one. Precious few have the restraint and professionalism you and Glenn exhibit. Most are about hit points.
The hypocrisy is amazing, that is for sure. I struggle whenever I read this as my standards for the Left and the MSM are quite low. I expect nothing from them.
But I expect much from the party that portrays itself as the herald for traditional values.
Now I really like Sarah Palin, she is vibrant, exciting, and has the moxey to combat hard hitting issues in Washington.
But I am seeing a woman who has four minor children, taking on a position that will limit her time with them even more. I see already that she is being championed as the new role model for women. I see that we will lift her to a platform that makes her a super mom. I can't see this...sorry.
As this is not my blog, forgive me for going negative. For everything there is a season...I am saddened for the Palin children as there mother will be the poster child of motherhood, and all the while mom will be less active in their lives.
Just my thoughts.
Jennifer
Is everybody missing the fact that the First Dude quit his job with the oil companies because it would have been a conflict of interest? The kids have a stay-at-home parent. It just happens to be dad. What's weird about a politician with a spouse who raises the kids? Unless you're sexist...
Thanks, Jason. You made one of the points I wanted to make. I think there's something inherently anti-male in the idea that only a mom can be a good, capable stay-at-home parent -- and I think there's something inherently anti-female in the idea that women don't have the capacity to be both good workers and good parents. The traditional model of child-rearing was that one parent stayed home and one parent supported the family by working. That didn't mean the working parent had no important role to play in his children's lives. Sheesh.
Another idea I'm getting really sick of is the idea that to be good parents, people (especially women) have to be around their kids 24/7 (or as close to 24/7 as they possibly can). When I was a kid, the last thing I wanted was to have an adult hovering around me all the time. I had six siblings and lived in a neighborhood with a lot of kids, and our parents all had enough faith in us, not to mention enough sense, to let us run free. Guess what? None of us were kidnapped, molested, or run over by cars, and we've all gone on to be successful, well-educated, financially indendent (!) adults with good careers.
I grew up in a town with more than 50,000, and I graduated high school in 1999. So no, I didn't grow up in a small town where "everyone knows everyone else," and this isn't ancient history.
I think the hyper-parenting model encouraged these days only creates infantilized children with no imagination (because they have no time to themselves to come up with their own games) and no independence (because they're never allowed to be on their own!). I have a close relationship with both of my parents. But when I was growing up, my daily time with them was basically limited to meals and evenings (and my mom was a stay-at-home mom!). My parents let us do what interested us, and they did what interested them. (Why is it so hard and wrong for adults these days to admit that the company of children is not terribly fascinating for long periods of time, and the company of adults is not fascinating for children? Kids, for the most part, want to be around other kids.)
People used to be a lot wiser about raising kids. My dad grew up in North Platte, Nebraska during the Depression, and he and his friends had the run of the town as soon as they were old enough to ride bikes. So long as they were home for dinner, their parents didn't mind. Now we've let paranoia about kidnappers, molesters, and other things (that happen to a bare fraction of children) ruin childhood -- and the result is a nation of obese, pampered, drugged-up little tyrants who think the world revolves around them. That's the result of "active parenting." Charming.
(No, I don't have a lot of opinions about this at all...) :)
Sarah Palin isn't qualified because she isn't a hyper parent!!!
/sarc off
Well, I think feminism is a joke. It is a movement that grew out of the deconstruction mania that overtook academia in the 1960s. The simple fact is that the male radicals at the time were horribly sexist and misogynistic, so the female radicals had to start their own movement.
Nowhere is this most evident than in the sexism being displayed today against Sarah Palin and her family.
This has nothing to do with competent, qualified women pursuing careers and achieving success. Real women have been doing that since time began.
The suffragettes of the early 1900s would have never countenanced misandry, abortion on demand, no-fault divorce, or single motherhood. They were real women who did not question their responsibilities or their life choices; they simply demanded equal rights, equal opportunities and equal treatment, and they got it, much to the betterment of society.
Feminism is a failed pathology that grew out of the radicalism of the 1960s, based on tearing down traditional values and morals, displacing men, discounting fathers, destroying families, and ruining children's lives. Thus, women suffer the most for it.
Howbeit, I found this video most amusing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc
Dare I say they're threatened by a successful woman in a traditional relationship with a man and with a traditional family. (This pretty much describes Hillary, too. Just less kids.) For the most part, this is what they set out to destroy.
Jason and Elizabeth make excellent points. Dad is there and appears to be fully competent.
The left has a real one-two punch here.
1) Dads aren't real parents
2) Republicans aren't real women
Attacking Palin while ignoring her husband allows them do indulge both liberal memes at the same time.
Humble Wife:
Frankly, it sounds like your model of the universe is that mom bonds with the kids while dad is supposed to be out doing whatever it is that makes him a walking ATM for mom. Dad isn't able to parent in any effective way, just mom.
And you probably have no idea at all how sexist that sounds.
I've seen couples who both work and both take care of the kids - they even seem to be happy because both get to see the kids grow up.
Actually, you sound more selfish than sexist.
Uh, humble wife --
I was a humble single dad. Worked and raised my daughter. Oh yeah, found time as well to volunteer at her school on projects like building their playground equipment, remodeling their inside and porting kids to and from events.
Can the sexist talk, dads can raise kids and moms can work.
Nicely edited lead-in though.
Sarah Palin has accomplished every single goal that feminsists supposedly want women to be able to achieve. The only problem is, she doesn't buy into their kooky political philosophy of redistributing wealth to support single mothers and other inanities, so they are bent on destroying her.
By berating Gov. Palin for not staying home to raise her baby, modern-day feminists show their true colors: they are sexist, at least if it helps them achieve their far left political schemes.
By ridiculing Gov. Palin's lack of foreign policy experience, they would have us believe that no governor should ever be president. That includes, of course, Jimmy Carter, I suppose. Ronald Reagan had no foreign policy experience when he became president, but that didn't stop him from playing a crucial role in winning the cold war. But why let facts like that get in the way of a good old-fashioned liberal pogrom?
I'll tell you one thing, I wonder if Papa Palin has it in him to do some old fashioned breastfeeding?
On second thought, I probably shouldn't tease a guy who has more guns than most law enforcement agencies here do.
But in all seriousness, do some people think Palin's kids are going to be locked up in a cage in a dungeon somewhere while she's in office? I mean really, who says they can't hang out with her in the Oval office while she's fielding calls from NATO?
For Christ sake's, Kennedy's own kids used to play under his desk while he worked. So what's the problem here? Or is it that Mommy simply just can't do more than one thing at a time, unless of course she's a flaming unborn baby stomping leftist DailyKos-Sucker?
I think Palin will do just fine, mroe than fine really. And this is coming from someone who hates women in general too, so my words carry a lot of weight.
As a member of the parasitic sit-at-home class of women, I have to say I become more delighted with the prospect of VP Palin every day. My only fear is that she will be forced to withdraw as the frenzy around her grows. I mean, her future son-in-law is all over the 'net now! But I suppose people who are involved could have (should have?) predicted this and maybe they are all ready for the attacks.
In general I do believe little ones need mom at home with them, but there are always exceptional people and circumstances. Maybe the lesson in all this will be to stop looking at people as "poster children" for a particular group and start looking at individuals. Gov. Palin appears to be a truly exceptional woman. It's not like the baby is going to be dumped in some crummy daycare center to languish without attention all day. No reason Mama can't have him in that sling on the campaign trail. And if the older kids go along, wow, what an education they will receive. A homeschooler's dream.
With regard to Democrats and the Left generally, their "feminism" is utterly insincere. It's just one more stick with which to flagellate conservatives and libertarians...and it only works when we allow ourselves to be beaten.
Sincere feminism upholds the autonomy of women. It also holds women responsible for the consequences of their actions to the exact same degree as men. Wher can we find that among the hordes of the Left?
I only have one question. Does anyone here, Dr. Helen and every other poster, really think that Todd Palin anticipated all of this when he asked Sarah Heath to marry him twenty-odd years ago?
I mean, I know he knew she was a firecracker, but could he have in any way anticipated all of this? The trashing of his wife, the trashing of his daughter, the trashing of his family. I seriously doubt it.
Anyone hear him complain about it?
This is what I'm talking about. Todd Palin is a man. He's not the least bit intimidated by his wife's success or ashamed by his daughter's situation. He simply loves and supports them both. That's what men do.
But I will say this. Any idiot reporter who pushes this shit too far does not want to be caught in a closed room with him.
Any idiot reporter who pushes this shit too far does not want to be caught in a closed room with him.
I, on the other hand, would love to see it happen. I'll start polishing a medal for Mr. Palin just in case. :)
I've read criticisms of Sarah Palin combining work and child-raising from both sides of the political spectrum. And I've read some defenses of her as a working mother from Democrats. I think this is sexism (and classism) coming out of the closet.
Joe Biden left his injured and motherless sons in the hospital in order to assume his seat as a newly elected senator. Reportedly, he considered resigning but was persuaded to do the job. We're not having a debate on that choice.
Until he declared for president, Barack Obama worked in Washington; his wife worked a demanding, full-time job in Chicago while raising their two kids. No debate on his choice as a father. (I've read some sniping at her as a careerist.)
Apparently, Sarah Palin has a crib for Trig in the governor's office and takes the baby with her to meetings. I'm sure she'll take the baby (and a nanny or her husband) along on the campaign trail.
If she becomes vice president, she'll have fewer duties than she does now as governor. All she'll have to do is study up on foreign affairs and pray for John McCain's health.
Another criticism I see in the blogosphere is that not only is Sarah not a SAHM, but her child is special needs!
Not like having Down's syndrome requires living in an iron lung or daily dialysis. Sheesh.
I would expect the DC area to have excellent resources for children with special needs, perhaps better than AK, so sending this family to DC would be good for the children.
Re Todd not breastfeeding, that's why she pumps. Breast milk can be stored and administered by bottle. Nice try.
Or, what if, gasp, she decides to bottle feed only? Uh-oh, if they find that out they'll rake her over the coals. The La Leche League loons feel if you don't breast feed, you're committing child abuse.
Oh c'mon, everyone, everyone knows that only women can nurture children. Especially special needs children. Dads don't know what to do! They burn food! They drop things down the drain! They lose stuff! Menfolks should be in the office. Women should be at home. AT HOME! Quit blogging, Helen, and forget all this stuff about being a shrink - you've got a husband! And a daughter! THINK OF THE CHILDREN! Er, child.
On a more serious note, I actually think having kids around to raise as a primary parent would be a good thing for Todd Palin if Sarah Palin is elected VP. Todd Palin is a guy who's used to working with his hands and doing quintessentially Alaskan things. There aren't any opportunities for commercial fishing, oilfield services and snow machine racing in DC. I have no doubt that Todd Palin is a wonderful guy, but I get the sense he's a guy who's used to having a a clear identity, and most of the touchstones of that identity wouldn't be present in DC. Being the primary parent for his kids would provide a real, ready-made identity, an expanded version of what he's doing now. (Though I would kill to see a snow machine race down Pennsylvania Ave. after a big DC snowstorm.)
Lincoln, that was really quite funny. Thanks for writing it.
I watched Governor Palin's speech with my wife and 13 year old daughter. We actually rewound and replayed (aren't dvrs cool?) some of the better moments.
We all identified strongly with her, her family orientation, her spirituality, her sense of humor, her blunt way of talking. It made the insanity of the last 4 days media misogony all the more sickening. The bigotry about her being an evangelical Christian was really a bit chilling.
I am voting for Palin and against the media. Before tonight, I was gonna vote for Keyes.
Not anymore. Before tonight, I did not understand how a VP choice could be important to a voter. Without the media miasma I am not sure it would have ever happened.
Vote Palin.
Trey
The "feminists" hate Sarah Palin because while they were sitting around talking about empowerment, Sarah was out there doing it.
Another thought, re: Troopergate, wherein Palin is being accused of getting her abusive ex-brother-in-law fired ... I suppose it would have been better if she had just shot him in the back while he slept, right?
"So Dr. Helen (and all you other conservative bloggers and pundits), please don't make such sweeping generalizations about how "liberals" and "feminists" are using a double standard when it comes to Sarah Palin as mother and candidate" - Katie Granju
LOL
Wow. Is this lady for real or a Dr Helen created foil :D
I can't stop laughing.
Marion, don't forget that men molest children and aren't fit to be left alone with them...
"If Palin were a Democrat, we would not be having this national conversation about her children, her ability to mother and the other dirt that the MSM is flinging against her."
I LOL at all this because the simple fact is that if the Palin family were Democrat, there would be no controversy about a teenage extramarital pregnancy.
The baby would have been a pile of bloody fetus-flesh in some abortionist's trash pail long ago.
No baby, no problem, and I doubt that we would be the wiser.
I wonder if Granju plans on calling out liberal/progressive bloggers that routinely make sweeping generalizations about conservatives. There's at least one liberal blog in the Knoxville area that loves Katie and loves making sweeping generalizations about conservatives, Republicans, religious right, etc.
Great comment, LissaKay
Dadvocate,
Good point. I also find it funny that the liberal blogs generalize so much about who is a "conservative blogger." I am actually a libertarian--I am socially liberal, fiscally conservative for the most part-- but just because I don't play identity politics am considered right wing, which is fine by me. I have found that those on the right are much more accepting and tolerant of other points of view--which is important to me.
Maybe I'm more simple than I thought, but the Left's reaction to Sarah, just makes me laugh harder than I have in years at political pundits. She IS the reason I've finally decided to vote for McCain. I'm a weird political animal myself Helen. I'm more or less conservative but definitely not entirely Republican. So I call myself independent and try to vote smart.
Now, play the video of Obama giving Hillary the "finger" over and over until women everywhere get his message.
Hmmm, Helen, a social libeterian, is energized by Palin, as am I, an Evangelical Christian.
Neither of us identifies ourselves as Republicans because we have problems with the party. Some of our problems are contradictory, which is what makes this so interesting.
Palin, a uniter, not a divider?
Trey
Feminists have always advocated women have it all. When a woman who does have it all appears on the Republican stage, suddenly her ability to handle "it all" is in question. Hypocritical is much too kind a term for this response and the people who employ it.
"If Palin were a Democrat, we would not be having this national conversation about her children, her ability to mother and the other dirt that the MSM is flinging against her."
If Palin were a Democrat, Democrats and feminists would howling at ANY insinuation of this.
Instead, they're howling ABOUT it -- in as mean-spirited and nasty a fashion as possible.
The reason? They are outraged that John McCain had the audacity to do what their candidate didn't have the courage to do: share the ticket with a strong, smart, capable, independent woman.
And they're terrified, because as a result they see Obama's chances of being elected dwindling.
Ironically, the more they snipe at Palin, the more independent voters they'll push to the GOP ticket.
So much the better.
Of course, feminists sabotaging their own cause for immediate Democrat political gain is nothing new. Remember how the NOW folks jumped on Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky, apparently the only two women in the country who aren't to be trusted when they file sexual harassment suits?
That's one thing that people tend to forget in the Clinton impeachment scandal--he didn't just lie under oath, he lied under oath to screw over a woman who he had sexually harassed and who was suing him for it. Apparently this was perfectly fine for the feminists, because Bill was dreamy and pro-choice.
Now they're set to push back their cause again, restoring the "women can't work and raise a family!" concern back to national prominence. All so they can keep a pro-lifer out of the vice-presidency. I hope it doesn't work this time.
jblog wrote: "They are outraged that John McCain had the audacity to do what their candidate didn't have the courage to do: share the ticket with a strong, smart, capable, independent woman."
Interesting point, I think you are on to something. If that is the case, some of those people will end up voting for her out of disgust. Not many, but some will deal with that cognitive dissonance by casting a vote for women.
Trey
Only a "liberated" woman can do it all. That's the mantra.
It is hollered over and over. First, so they can convince themselves, and then the rest of us. We all know the effect of telling lies loud enough and long enough.
I raised 3 kids by myself. I worked the whole time. One daughter is a loan officer at a savings and loan, who has a son herself. One daughter is in a PhD program, doing extremely well. My son is still at home.
So, even though men don't get the support women receive, men, as single parents, can do it too. Without "help" from the courts, without punishing the other spouse who walked away (If you don't want to be here, it's a cinch I don't want you here, either. See ya.), without government funds. The system is designed to make a male single parent fail. Especially before he gets the opportunity to prove he can succeed. And this and other blogs are proof I ain't the lone ranger.
So, Palin needs to be defeated before she has the opportunity to prove she can do it all, do it well, love her husband, be a great mom - and do it without them.
What has the women's movement done for Palin? What are they doing for her now? Women's movement types are pissed at men because (they say) men demand women to be a certain way, as expected by men. Women's movement types now seem to be pissed at Palin because she is not proving that women can do it all in the manner of which they approve, and verbatim from the hand book. The women's movement has done NOTHING for Palin. They are doing NOTHING for her now, except attempt to tear her down. Obviously, she is not a man hater. Oops. Palin is a target, for sure. But she will not be a victim.
Trey - If that is the case, some of those people will end up voting for her out of disgust. Not many, but some will deal with that cognitive dissonance by casting a vote for women.
That is what was so spectacular about McCain's choice of Palin. It took advantage of the rift in the Dem party between Obama and Hillary suporters. If McCain/Palin can pull in a good percentage of the independent vote, with the Hillary supporteres who will vote for Palin due to her gender, they will be in the white house.
Slightly off topic, has anyone seen the stories that Hillary supporters are mad at Obama for not helping more to pay for her debt? Honestly, it reminds me of a lot of divorces today. I lost, now you have to pay for me losing.
We had a half-time stay-at-home dad and a half-time stay-at-home mom at our house when our son was small. My husband stayed home raising our son and keeping house mornings and early afternoons while I worked; I was home the rest of the day while he worked. A father at home raising a child is just as capable and beloved as a mother. And a father running a household is a great role model. Now our boy is 15 and thinks it's fun to do the grocery shopping, haul it all in, put it all away, cook dinner, and do his own laundry.
Meg,
That is very similar to my household. I think it works out great if both parents can be around to help out and role model for kids how give and take works in a relationship. Sounds like your son will do well when it comes time to live on his own.
Thanks for responding, Helen. It's interesting to know that your household is similar. It's working well for us so far!
I've just discovered your blog and appreciate your interesting topics and positive comments to readers.
I accidently saw a little blurb on CNN last night, during a commercial break on the Glenn beck show. CNN is actually chasing down B.S. statements about Palin in an effort to get to the bottom of them. No, really! I was surprised, myself.
The bit about Palin believing dinosaur bones are only 4,000 years old was a complete fabrication started by a blogger in Washington State. They had him on, admitting it, and evidently, thinking it was funny.
Someone needs to tell Matt Damon.
There were a few more as well. The "fact" Palin is reducing funds for disabled (school) children in Alaska is false. She is actually almost tripling the funds available for each child. There are more.
One thing that struck me during the O'Reilly - Obama interview is a statement Obama made that O'Reilly let slide. It is Obama's belief that it is the neighborly thing to do to pay more taxes if you make enough money, so that money can be given to another person who is but a waitress, and does not make as much as you do.
This, right out of his own mouth.
And of course, the government will be the chosen one to see that this is fairly done. From each his ability, to each his needs. As decided by the government.
Oh. And he could just as easily have said waiter, eh?
I live in Maryland. In 1994 (and again in 1998) a woman named Ellen Sauerbrey ran to become the first female governor of the state. Her first time out she came within .5% of the winner, Parris Glendening. (She didn't do as well in 1998.)
Guess how much of the media coverage was about how historic opportunity she represented? Virtually none.
The same thing repeated itself when Michael Steele ran for the Senate from Maryland two years ago. (He got about 25% of the black vote.) Again there was virtually none of the cheerleading "historic" coverage of his campaign.
To be a member of a protected class, also means subscribing to a certain set of beliefs. If you don't, you're not really a woman or a minority.
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