Podcast on Fat Kids (excuse me, kids at risk for overweight) and Beer
It’s a podcast on the fly today using our new digital recorder.
Today we are talking about food and beer: are we getting too much or too little? First, we stop in at the Downtown Grill and Brewery for lunch and we interview two guys who have the best jobs in Knoxville: brewing beer. We talk to the master brewer about how he took his beer brewing from a hobby to a successful career and with his apprentice about how he turned his chemistry studies into a cool job. As for being a beer brewer--no college degree is required--maybe this is where all the guys are instead of college. Next, we stop in and talk with Dr. Michael Zemel, director of the Nutrition Institute at the University of Tennessee and author of The Calcium Key : The Revolutionary Diet Discovery That Will Help You Lose Weight Faster.
You may have heard of Dr. Zemel’s research on calcium that shows you can drink yourself skinny with milk. We’ll talk to him about a very important problem in this country: obesity in children. If you are a parent and have an overweight or chubby kid, you may want to listen to Dr. Zemel's moderate approach to dealing with overweight kids. You can get more information on overweight kids at www.americaonthemove.org.You can subscribe via iTunes by clicking here. If you'd rather, you can download the file directly here, or get a lo-fi version for dialup here. And don't miss our archive of previous podcasts at GlennandHelenShow.com.
Music is by The Opposable Thumbs.
posted by Helen at 9:11 AM
26 Comments:
Another factor in the obesity epidemic, from an economic perspective, is that the real (i.e. inflation adjusted) price of food has been decreasing for years. As with everything else, as the price falls, quantity demanded increases and this explains partly the increase in obesity rates.
Only an American would have the gall to suggest a decrease in the price of food is a bad thing.
"Only an American would have the gall to suggest a decrease in the price of food is a bad thing."
No one said that it was a good or bad thing, it just simply is a fact. If food had a price of zero, we would expect more food to be eaten, all else equal, which may lead to more obesity. Simple positive economic analysis, that's all.
Glenn looks younger without his glasses.
Only Eurotrash would toss out flamebait generically linking America, chutzpah, and fatness.
Actually, the entire world does.
*oink*
all the comments are about weight - not Beer - interesting.
Talking weight loss makes people cranky and talking beer makes them happy - I conclude people want to be cranky.
I've listened to probably 3 or 4 of these podcasts over the last couple months - seems to be getting better - better sound - better discussions.
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First: The so called "simple positive economic analisys" forgets to take into account such simple concepts as elasticity of demand and the law of diminishing marginal utility. What do they teach in Econ 101 this days? Don't they still use hamburgers as the perfect example to explain diminishing marginal utility?
Second: Mr Mel assuming automatically and without any proof that anyone that makes a comment critical of the US has to be "Eurotrash" only demonstrates your own bigotry. The person that made that comment could be from anywhere in the world. In fact he could ,novel idea for you, even be an American.
yet another, diet, remember the cabbage diet,that would lose you friends. the juice diet, the soup diet, the grapefruit diet, the 3 day diet
http://www.webterrace.com/fad/home.htm now milk diet.
food is cheaper, but then they are pumped full of additives, etc.. to make them even cheaper, and so more profit for the companies.
if you can have 100 hamburgers, for $100, but if you add 25% of crap, you can stretch those burgers out for a minimal outlay.. so 125 burgers for $110.. and so on.. water, fat, gristle, etc etc etc.. all expand the profit margins of the companies..
Glenn looks younger without MY glasses.
Hasn't the milk diet for losing weight been disproven?
Hasn't anyone noticed that fat kids almost always have fat parents?
Unfortunately that would seem to make it extremely difficult for them to lose weight especially when you're not talking 10 pounds toheavy but 50 pounds too heavy.
Really what can you do for a kid who's growing up in a household where the parents don't care?
I'd better listen to the podcast and see if this gets discussed.
Ok, I'm listening as I type. Skipped the beer stuff and went on to fat kids because that's what I'm interested in.
But it's not about fat kids. It's about everything, fat adults, calcium diets, etc., etc. You guys need to stay focussed.
Uggh! I hate this diet obsessed American crap! How crazy is it that Americans feel compelled to read about a a "great new diet" every six months because we lack the simple knowledge of how to cook a healthy meal?
I'm certainly not buying into the "drink myself skinny" frenzy when dairy cows in U.S. industrial farms are simply sick animals who are forced to deliver us sick milk.
How about we talk about beer? Did you know that the darker the beer, the fewer calories it has? That's right! That cheap, tasteless beer they sell as "light" beer has only 10 calories fewer than a Guiness Stout. A pint o' Guiness is only 120 calories. Less than a can of coke. That's because the lighter the beer (except for the filtered light stuff), the more sugar it has from brewing process. So, if you want to lose weight, but don't want to give up your adult beverage, drink darker beer. As for me, give me a Newcastle!
I enjoyed the second half of the podcast (skipped the first half -- I don't drink beer).
Here's an issue I would hear Helen's opinion on, because it's psychological in nature. First, if you are 200 lbs. and get maximum health benefits by getting down to just 180, you're not going to feel a whole lot better about how you look in a new pair of pants, I don't think. Health is all well and good but we're acclimated to the level we have, whereas shopping for new clothes is an ever-renewed pain. I've established a steady exercise routine for over 6 months and lost 5 lbs, but I don't feel the payoff is worth celebrating. I suspect people launch gradiose health plans because moderation isn't very ... satisfiying.
One other thought -- I've never done that crash diet thing, but wouldn't a succession of crash diets better approximate our hunter-gatherer feast and famine cycles?
but its been shown that the famine and feast cycles, do cause weight gain, you lose weight in famines, but the body says hey we need more food if theres going to be more famines, so we will metabolise it as fat and increase the hunger in the not so lean times, so we wont die. so you would gain weight, as all the studies of diets say, (there are some people where it will remain off).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieting#Yo-yo_dieting
The human body responds to starvation by decreasing metabolism. When food is again available, it is stored immediately as fat. This survival mechanism, while a useful response to genuine food scarcity, leaves the yo-yo dieter feeling lethargic and fatigued (and defeated).**
While anyone can lose weight by fasting (temporarily stopping one's food intake), it is a dangerous practice. When concentration camp survivors, who involuntarily suffered famine as a result of horrendous living conditions, were examined by doctors, what little weight they had was mostly fat, with practically no muscle.
The muscle loss is partly due to the fact that the brain cannot rely completely on fat for fuel. The brain usually reserves ketones for lipid synthesis but will use ketones (from fat) for some energy once levels rise during carbohydrate shortages or starvation, but it must get at least 15 percent of its energy from glucose, and it takes a much greater percentage than this early in a fast before the switch to ketones for most energy needs. Glucose can only be synthesized from proteins, glycerol and carbohydrates.
The body stores carbohydrates as glycogen in the muscles and the liver; glycogen is used to make glucose. Glycogen stores (from carbohydrates) can only last a couple days (during starvation). (In fact, marathon runners experience a shortage of easily-available glycogen after only 2 hours, commonly called "hitting the wall" or bonking.)
Because fasts, very low calorie diets (VLCD), and low-carbohydrate diets restrict the intake of carbohydrates, glucose must be obtained from protein. In the event dietary protein is insufficient, internal sources will be obtained: autolysis and muscle wasting occurs. (The conversion of amino acids to glucose is called gluconeogenesis.)
Dieting, especially extreme food-intake reduction, can have the following side effects:
Prolonged hunger,Depression Reduced sex drive ,Fatigue Irritability ,Fainting
Sinus problems (especially post-nasal drip) ,Muscle loss ,Rashes
Acidosis ,Bloodshot eyes. (plus the psycholigical problems that may be engendered)
http://www.any-body.org/ check this out, its very interesting.
Oligonicella,
Oh, it seems like you live next to a lovely farm with pasture-raised cows! I would gladly drink the milk from that farm. I would also gladly eat cattle raised on a farm like that!
Off to work, so I don't have time to explain "sick cows" or "sick milk" but if you are interested, I think Michael Pollan can say it better than I can, although this interview is more about the beef industry, but certainly applies to the corn-fed/industrial dairy system which is terrible for a cow's digestive system and overall health. That's why cow's need so many antibiotics - they are constantly sick!
/www2.math.uic.edu/~takata/some_articles
/FreshAir_Michael_Pollon_on_beef_
industry,_hormones,_antibiotics.html
Sorry, I don't know how to post such a long link!
If folks want to be fat and sedentary, that's their choice. So are the consequences.
Oligonicella,
Do you live around a ton of "pasture-raised" farms? Or could this be an example of the lives of young cows and steers, who do live there lives on ideal grassy plains and knolls before being shipped off to industrial farms to fatten up on corn and fatty animal pellets and lounge around in their feces?
I spent a lot of time in farm country as a girl, which is one reason this interests me so much. My cousins are Mennonite and have a traditional farm. However, the traditional farm is becoming more and more rare as industrial farming is greatly subsidized. This is why industrial farms "get by" and small farms are in for a fight to survive overregulation and competion with the subsidized industrial farmers.
And grass is not a grain, no?
If there is anything specific that is a nontruth or exaggerated in Michael's work, I'd be interested in your perspective.
All the Pollon bashers must live on another planet. I've lived in a lot of place, in many parts of the country -both city and rural, and in each case the local farms and cattle ranches were being decimated - disappearing to make way for huge housing developments. Those that were left, were in areas that were troubled by pollution -as in contamination due to runoff of animal feces and huge amounts of nitrogen based fertilizers that got into the local streams, and underground wells (groundwater). It was my profession to know all these things. Free Range Farms???? What Planet do YOU live on??? The only remaining farms that I see were either small local -just surviving - or huge Commercial Farms with crops of GMO corn and GMO soy. My point being that there are rapidly dwindling numbers of FREE-RANGE-Grassy-Plains-And-Knolls cattle ranches/farms, and a growing number of "commercial animal factories". The difference is that the animals are kept in a very contained small area and fed "grains" instead of grazing - and they start feeding this way from the beginning. The open grazing stage is all but eliminated. If I remember correctly, many of the cattle were imported (Canada?) where there are still some grazing farms left - and then they were sold to these animal factories for fattening up (on hell knows what? GMO crap and pellets made from other-animal-body-parts! Hello - which is why there is an epidemic of Mad Cow. And if you are in denial that we have a Mad Cow Disease problem -then YOU can eat the beef and let your brain turn to swiss cheese! Enjoy! As for me if I were a big beef consumer I would(as many of my neighbors have done)? I would go and SEEK out a "local grazing farm", if you can find one in your area... find out how their cattle is raised, and then only buy from them if their cattle is fed natural grass or non-GMO feed. Pick a cow, have it dressed by a local butcher, share the meat with your neighbors or family. It is becoming almost as popular to do this as Co-op/ "Subscription" Farming. So if the USDA doesn't take an active role in protecting our food supply then we need to become more pro-active on our own. Yes I DO eat beef - but I know EXACTLY where it's coming from! If USDA or other governing body actually forced these cattle ranchers/ associations to implement a very in-expensive test on ALL cows - it would be no surprise as to how many sick cows that actually make it to the slaughterhouses and to our local supermarkets! )
Whoever wrote "..drive around the country ... notice those Grassy Hills?..." well hello! I don't know what freaking planet you live on... but those beautiful Grassy Hills that once were???... are now owned by huge developers - and thousands of $500k+ homes clutter those grassy hills.."
Whoever thinks there are still Non-GMO, non-industrial farms left??? Get a Grip. Get Real!
Oligonicella,
Hmmm... the anonymous who most recently responded is a different anonymous! Such is the problem of going by "anonymous"! ;) Shall we call him/her anonymous II?
Anyhoo, it's been taking me a bit of time to respond because, well, I have a job and dishes to do on the weekend, and I'd like to take a look at some of the info that you mentioned.
But I'd like to address a few things.
1. Animal poo is great when it's used as a natural fertilizer. Otherwise, this poo can turn into unsanitary manure swamps in the feeding lots.
2. I still question whether those farms that you see in your neck of the woods are just pre-feedlot or pre-factory-dairy farms who will eventually live on a life of grain vs. the green stuff they graze on.
3. I think it's great that i can hear another perspective besides Michael Pollen. I think listening to mulitiple perspectives is the only way to come to one's own independent thoughts. This is why i take the views and backgrounds of both Republicans and Democrats seriously. Likewise, Olig (if I can call you that) why not read Michael Pollen's book "ominvore's dilemma" so you have a deeper understanding of his point of view? I know he has a book to sell, but so does everyone, on some level or another (the FDA, industrial farmers, mega-food businesses, and etc.)
Thanks for sharing your background and perspectives. I appreciate it!
Anonymous I, aka "Alison"
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