Thursday, April 06, 2006

Podcast with Bill Frist on Immigration and Pork

We are talking briefly today with Senate Majority Leader, Bill Frist, for an update on immigration legislation. Questions include: What's with Hillary Clinton and her insistence that Jesus would be a criminal under the proposed bill? Is she joining the religious right? Will it be easier to get into this country legally in the future?

Glenn also asks a question about Porkbusters and Trent Lott's statement: "I'll just say this about the so-called porkbusters. I'm getting damn tired of hearing from them. They have been nothing but trouble ever since Katrina." Mr. Lott, the trouble has just begun.

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Blogger Pat said...

Dr. Smith:

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10:48 AM, April 06, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The solution to fixing the MT podcast plug-in was posted in comments on the last podcast post. I hope it gets fixed soon so I can subscribe and get something besides a Jpeg file downloaded.

11:33 AM, April 06, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if i was king for a day…….

dear senator,

i commend you for taking the immigration issue head on. however, i must say, i think politicians complicate the issue by trying to cover too many constituent agendas. sometimes simplicity is actually the real solution. occam’s razor. in fact, the “rant” below that i left on a web site on march 17th is, i believe, the only remedy to a perplexing problem. in fact, if you analyze every provision of the house and senate bills they have no chance of enforcement without tearing this country apart. actually, they have no chance, whatever the penalties. Barbara Jordan’s immigration report should be our lesson or senator reid's from 1993:

please remember that at the time this was written it was directed at other comment posters, not you sir. it follows below:

—– go after the companies that employ the illegals? send the illegals back? penalize the ones that stay?

we are all dreaming. i have lived in california for 30 years. thousands, and i mean thousands, of small businesses hire and use millions of illegals everyday. trust me, short of a new black booted gestapo they are staying employed. any law passed to enforce some sort of penalty will probably never make it out of the court system. think prop 187 etc. so stop pulling your own chain thinking some legislation out of washington is going to change anything on the ground.
send them back? assuming we could get the authority to do it (this too will sit in the courts until we are the new, new mexico) the police, national guard or military etc will not do it short of becoming some new SS. even the criminals that we should be deporting will just walk back in, led by their favorite coyote for $3,000, unless we have a fence from san diego to brownsville.
10-15 million well organized people-and they are very organized, are staying. so get over it. part of the solution is to stop adding to the size of the group. we have to build a fence before we contemplate any other measures. don’t listen to anyone who says fences do not work. they have other agendas they are not willing to discuss. ie vincente fox, among others, is against the fence
15 million illegals are easy to assimilate over twenty years–and guess what, despite the headlines, they want to be assimilated. but it can only work if no more are added to the mix. the folks that think the 15 million illegals are going anywhere are simply delusional. we let them in and now they are here for good. there are no laws, past , current or in the future that are going to change that. no doubt, there will be folks who get on soapboxes and pretend to write new legislation to solve the problem. the sooner we all act like adults and realists the sooner this divisive issue can be put behind us. do any of you actually think that the illegals are going to be rounded up and sent back to mexico etc? do you think funding is going to be cut to cities who harbor them? you have to be kidding. the bong smoke is clouding your vision.
the absolute best that we can accomplish within current law is to build a fence so the problem doesn’t get any bigger. a fence is cheaper and more efficient than salaried border patrols in the long run. this fence would work.

after that, then we can deport the bad guys during a 10-year green card period on the way to their citizenship. that’s right, their citizenship. 15 million people are not going to continue to live here as second class illegals forever without bringing the whole country down. why? because as certain as the sun comes up in the morning, 15 million will be 30 million in 25 years without a fence. we need to get our arms around these kinds of numbers. when barbara jordon put her immigration committee together in 1990 there were two million illegals. we need to seal the border and make them citizens just like the irish, italians, germans, jews etc who came before them. the fact that they got here illegally is irrelevant. they are here, get over it. they are not going to sign up for any two step convoluted green card, maybe you will- maybe you won’t, get at the end of the line samba dance. we are not going to collect any back taxes based on real/imaginary cash transactions from folks who have barely two nickels to rub together. it will cost more to collect it. the hatred and resentment it will engender will be long lasting –not to mention the crime and violence. we might be able to get a very small citizenship fee. that will pay for the fence.
i’ll make a prediction. if a secure fence is not erected at this time we will have this cicrle jerk again in twenty years and the number then will be 30 million along with their 25 million children who will be citizens. then the problem will be this

not because of some dark conspiracy but because of differing birthrates. we need to start seeing the world as it is, not as we hope it would be.

riddle me this……… you folks who hide behind the thin veneer of “but its illegal”…..

who broke the bigger law? the folks who risked life and limb to get here or the politicians/bureaucrats who failed to enforce the state and federal laws to protect and seal the borders? conference after conference, committee after committee since the 70’s recommended closing the border with a fence. it was left open. we need to get past this “illegal” designation. they are here and they are staying. no amount of convoluted gestapo, stalinist, nativist jib jab from the left or the right is going to change that. remember, 15 million are really over 40 million when you throw in their supporters and the larger hispanic community in general. start getting serious. the idea that the newly unemployed “illegals” you would create, with these new ridiculous remedies, are going to go home in numbers is absurd. the part we are not getting is this– it’s their country now. millions of them already have their own small businesses, families, homes etc.
crack down on the people that hire them? again we are just not getting it. we are cutting our nose off to spite our face.
just remember this at all times–if you were them–young, poor and starving for a life– you would have crossed the border if it was left open. we caused this problem. we left the border wide open with a huge 2000-mile long honey-pot on the other side. i’m honest enough to admit it, i would have pushed you out of the way as i scrambled across!

here’s the real pathetic reality—virtually every congressman/woman and the president are against sealing the border. they are more worried about our image with the world, mexico and imaginary votes they may or may not get. they fudge the debate with economic/impact studies that look good but mean nothing. it is all props. read the fine print in the bills being considered.
so, you still think we are going to start solving the illegal immigrant problem inside the US while we can’t rally the consensus to close the border where the illegals enter? put down the bong, you’ve had one hit too many.

and finally to the race baiters……
the “fence” sole purpose for existence is to secure the border from illegal immigration from primarily latin america. the fact that latin america is hispanic is strictly a coincidence. if canada was a third world country i would propose the same fence. for two hundred years we controlled immigration with quotas per immigrant group. i believe jimmy carter was the moron who changed this. the chief reason for quotas was for assimilation purposes–language, culture etc…. mexico encourages illegal immigration as an outlet so as to avoid the hard choices that it should be making to rectify a pathetic economic model it inherited from the spanish. there is a reason that english speaking colonies/nations have done better than spanish or french. every time you seduce a young hispanic to flee his country you further enslave the tens of millions they leave behind.
we have to frame this discussion within the bounds of what we can do, not what you would like to do. modern america is a very complicated legal system etc…. using existing ‘green card’ laws that have already been vetted combined with our existing right to build the fence, will put an immediate end to most of the problem. the fact that it may aid and abet the war on terror is a bonus. after that we can go through the psychic trauma and emotional healing of all the why’s, wherefore’s and finger pointing that always comes when we recognize WE PERSONALLY CREATED THIS PROBLEM — the “illegals” are only the symptom!!!!!!!

enjoy your salad tonight........

12:16 PM, April 06, 2006  
Blogger Tom Grey said...

I like the Frist bill, even though I know it won't work -- partly because I know it won't work. But "it's something", and doing something now that doesn't work will allow doing something later that will work better.

Closing the border with a fence is a necessary, but also not sufficient condition.

The $2 000 fine is too small by 10; it should be some $20 000 as a fine for being illegal, with another $20 000 as a cost of getting a gree card.

These $20 000 & $40 000 amounts should be IRS given loans to the legals and illegals, and the loans should be repaid from withholding.

There should also be $2 000 fines on employers, increasing by $1 000 every year until they match the $20 000 paid by the illegals. AND there should be a bounty, by illegals or legals or any supporter for turning in an employer of an illegal; the bounty should be 20% (eg $400 rising to $4 000 as the employer fine increases).

Thanks for having great pod-casts! It was cool to read the Frist blog along with listening to him.

4:13 AM, April 07, 2006  
Blogger Greg Kuperberg said...

It's too bad that you asked Virginia Postrel about kidneys and Bill Frist about immigration, and not the other way around. It would have been closer to their real expertise in both cases; even more, it would have been closer to their basic sense of decency. Here is what Postrel has to say about immigration:

Anti-immigration forces have made great strides politically by cynically conflating terrorists and criminals with dishwashers and construction workers. Any real plan to "secure the borders" should make it easier, not harder, to separate the two. Workers, especially those who want to settle and become citizens (or have their children become citizens), are not threats. They're contributors to American society.

That is the simple truth: Immigrants contribute to society. "Illegal" immigration is mostly a victimless "crime". I have to applaud Postrel for being a real libertarian on this issue, and not a conservative nationalist with libertarian pretensions. (Which is not to say that Glenn and Helen are quite always in the latter camp. Rather, I see a lack of courage on immigration, and an outright selling out on some other issues.)

12:06 PM, April 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


after visiting your web site you should try to stop spending all your time counting on your fingers and write about other stuff as evidenced above. (typed with a plaintive grin!) i tried to leave this comment there but its only for registered 'official bloggers'

2:12 PM, April 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got a chance to listened to your pod cast (with Frist) after he revealed the compromise bill.

I'm not sure who got to him but someone did, because there was nothing in the bill that addressed what he talked to you about.

Shame you can't have him back on to talk about why the discrepancy.

10:18 PM, April 07, 2006  
Blogger Greg Kuperberg said...

The big cocern today, I have learned from the Instapundit page, is that the actual bill in the Senate does not match the tough anti-immigration spin that Frist gave it here. I wouldn't be surprised, although I don't know the details. But above all I think that voters who refuse to read the writing on the wall only deserve so much honesty. It's not that I advocate dishonesty in politics; I don't. The point is that if the voters repeatedly throw out leaders who tell unwelcome truths, then pretty soon leaders will stop telling the truth. It happens all the time in every democratic country.

The simple truth of illegal immigration is that the American economy depends on it. The limits on legal immigration are not realistic and illegal immigration makes up the difference. It seems that most voters don't want to believe it. So someone like Bill Frist has little choice but to disingenuously spin immigration reform. It would have been interesting, if not necessarily good for the world, if Glenn and Helen had had the preparation and courage to call him on it during the interview. If the big bad MSM has the courage to ask hostile interview questions, the podcast-o-sphere ought to be able to manage it too.

On the other hand, I have to applaud Bush for trying to do something so unpopular within his own party. The whole immigration reform plan is really his idea, not Bill Frist's or anyone else's. I think that part of what motivates Bush is the basic sympathy for Mexicans that you sometimes see in Texas. Not only sympathy for the people, but also real admiration for their culture, which has plainly influenced Texan culture. People have said that I like to bash Bush, but while it is true that his biggest decisions are terrible for America, the man certainly isn't all bad. I hope that he can succeed on this one.

12:13 PM, April 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that the immigration polity should be reciprocal with Mexico; fair is fair and I think this should be considered. For those who don't know how illegal aliens or legal aliens are treated go here: These are the actual laws taken from the Mexican Constitution and laws passed by their government. Personally I think Mexican law is a laugh and that President Fox has a lot of nerve when he pontificates about how Mexican illegals are treated in the United States. Go to Mexico illegally and get picked up, it will be an experience that you will not soon forget. Build the fence;no amnesty.

2:35 PM, April 08, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be helpful if you couldprovide an XML link so those of us in the minority who do not use an iPod can update our Podcast collection and downloading software. (FYI, I use ZENCast Organizer)

12:37 AM, April 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Patrick ... good luck with that. I too use ZENCast for my Nomad Jukebox. I have left several comments here begging for valid podcast feeds. I even went so far as to research the issue with the MT Plugin and post the solution here (on the Virginia Postrel post). It remains to be seen if this will be implemented. If not, it leaves one to wonder if there isn't a bit of classism here ... iPods being the de rigeur gadget, with all others for lesser beings (even though my Jukebox retailed for about the same as a comparable iPod).

11:54 AM, April 09, 2006  
Blogger Glenn said...

Our feed is generated automatically by the MT-enclosures plugin. We're planning to switch over to Feedburner soon. That should fix your problem.

The only complaints I seem to be hearing involve Zencast, which doesn't seem to be able to handle multiple enclosures. It seems to work elsewhere without any problems. It also seems to work fine with web-based aggregators like Podcast Alley and Yahoo. I don't know enough to be sure, but this seems like a Zencast issue.

12:20 PM, April 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The same problem happens with NewsGator/FeedStation ... it sees the image files only because they are in enclosures. Everyone else has edited their MT Enclosures plugin and their podcasts work fine. I did the research, linked you to the solution. I can't fix it for you. But, it takes all of 2 minutes to edit and upload one file.

8:52 PM, April 09, 2006  
Blogger Pat said...


It's not just Zencast. Doppler Radio can't parse your feed either.

You are correct in thinking that multiple enclosures are the root of this problem. That's what the Feed Validator is telling you when it returns this error message:

line 20, column 112: item contains more than one enclosure (20 occurrences)

In your case, the problem occurs because you are tagging your images as enclosures. This is incorrect. RSS has different tags for images.

If you need help correcting these errors, I will be happy to provide it. I've done this for other podcasts (IMAO and CNET's Buzz Out Loud in particular). Helen should already have my e-mail address, because I e-mailed her directly about this.

11:19 AM, April 12, 2006  
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