Monday, April 03, 2006

Give Me Another Cupcake

Wow, almost 5% of all three year olds are too fat to sit in a regular carseat:

"More than a quarter of a million U.S. children ages 1 to 6 are heavier than the weight limits for standard car seats, and most are 3-year-olds who weigh more than 40 pounds, the study found."

I am against vegan and whacky diets for young kids but what the heck are parents feeding their kids these days?

49 Comments:

Blogger Mercurior said...

these obese scales keep getting altered lower and lower each year, kids have a different metabolism to adults, kids need energy to grow, but a lot of parents just sit their kids in front of the babysitter (TV) and let them watch that instead of actually going outside and playing.

http://www.largesse.net/Deconstruct/index.html

see the problem is, have they weighed every kid, or is is a statistical extrapolation.

all this is doing is feeding the fear of fat, and it will cause anorexia and bulimia in massive amounts.
http://www.cswd.org/kidsdescrip.html

50% of 9-year-old girls and 80% of 10-year-old girls have dieted. 90% of high school junior and senior women diet regularly, even though only 10% to 15% are over the weight recommended by the standard height-weight charts. Young girls are more afraid of becoming fat than they are of nuclear war, cancer, or losing their parents.

Forty-two percent of first, second and third grade girls want to lose weight. Collins, M. "Body figure perception and preferences among preadolescent children." International Journal of Eating Disorders 10 (1991), pp 199-208.

The death rate for eating disorders is five to twenty percent. American Psychiatric Association, "Practice Guidelines for Eating Disorders." American Journal of Psychiatry, 150(2) (1993) pp. 212-228.



Ok these are old figures, but there is a point where focusing too much on the fat issue, can be detrimental to the LIFE of the so called FAT. marilyn monroe, most men drool over her, with the obesity charts today, she would be obese. i agree kids shouldnt be sat in front of the tv all day, they should go out. at 3 kids need to be out there learning about life, in a safe way, but its far easier to sit them down and let tv take care of them

4:51 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

if you get told your fat from age 3 onwards, and at every stage of your life, that will have an effect on the self image of that kid/person. they will yo yo diet, maybe suffer from bulimia and anorexia. and maybe they after being told so many times they are fat and ugly and disgusting they may start to self harm. which has happened to some friends of mine. i have been there for them, and helped them cope. but it was hard work.

4:54 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Silvermine said...

Huh? a 40-pound 3 year old is fat? My son just turned 3, and I think he weighs 37 pounds. While I could stand losing 15-20 pounds or so (something I couldn't remedy very well while trying to get pregnant or while I am pregnant...), I can't say that my son's fat. Muscular, I guess? I dunno. Guess I'll find out at his pediatrician's appointment.

5:17 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger dadvocate said...

My youngest son is just plain big, 5' 10" and 170 lbs. of defensive end. The BMI chart says he's "at risk" though. I can't remember what size he was at three but all of my three youngest kids outgrew their carseats before it was legal to remove them.

The charts seem to want you to be really skinny. I once weighed what the chart recommends and I was a rail. In my swimsuit I looked like a refugee.

I would like to see less emphasis on weight and more on physical activity. My 13 year old son skateboards, plays paintball, football and is generally quite active. Few kids of any build can keep up with his pace.

5:31 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

there is a thing that all fat acceptence people want to see, healthy at any size. you dont have to be skinny to be healthy, all the men in my dads family are genetically fat, no matter what we do we rarely lose weight, that has an effect, i am 23 stone, and 6 foot tall, i have only been to the dr's 4 times in the last 8 years once was for a thing on my leg it was benign, other than that i am healthy, blood pressure normal, cholesterol normal everything normal.

5:35 PM, April 03, 2006  
Anonymous Half Sigma said...

Americans are not getting fatter, it's a lie perpetuated by a politically correct media, I wrote about this at my blog.

5:39 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

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http://www.largesse.net/handouts.html

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=071403A
The fact that weight gain is poorly associated with inactivity is evident by looking at exercise levels as body weights increased from the mid-1960s. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) data show that through the 1990s exercise activity remained unchanged -- while obesity rates climbed. Thomas Stephens, Ph.D. in a 1987 study published in Research Quarterly for Exercise and Sport found participation in regular physical activity actually gradually increased during the 1960s, 1970s, and early 1980s before leveling off. According to an April 11, 2001, Journal of the American Medical Association report of CDC data, trends in physical activity [then] remained stable during 1990-1998

5:47 PM, April 03, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have noticed something in TV commercials. The babies are getting skinnier. Now when you see a baby in a commercial, he has no baby fat. If the baby stretches up, you can see all of his ribs. I've noticed this for a while and I do keep wondering what the mothers are feeding these little bitty kids to keep them skinny, and why on earth they are doing it. If I go back and look at baby pictures, my sisters and I all had little rolls of fat in various places and we turned out quite normally. So what's with these poor babies on TV?

5:54 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html

this might be of interest to you dr helen has a lot of odd vegetarian ideas and it explains why we are omnivores

5:55 PM, April 03, 2006  
Anonymous Half Sigma said...

"Thomas Stephens, Ph.D. in a 1987 study published in Research Quarterly for Exercise and Sport found participation in regular physical activity actually gradually increased during the 1960s, 1970s, and early 1980s before leveling off."

This makes sense to me, it seems to me that now more than ever we place a great emphasis on being physically fit. When I was a kid, we just hung around the house, but today parents make their kids be on multiple sports teams.

6:07 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Peregrine John said...

Yeah, it's funny how many other perfectly well-off countries (where lack of food is no real problem) don't seem to have this problem...

6:25 PM, April 03, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a 55 y/o man. Most would call me average or thin. According to "the charts" I am about 16 pounds overweight. If I lost that much weight I'd look like death warmed over. Even my glasses wouldn't fit.

Redman

6:41 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger jeff said...

I still wonder how much of it has to do with the replacement of "real" sugar with corn syrup in so many things.

Not to mention the increasing size of soda pop servings throughout the years. 20oz used to be a large... now it's effectively a small at many places.

7:02 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Dave said...

Dadvocate:

I'd re-check the BMI charts. I'm 5'11" and 200 pounds and clock in at the low end of that 'at risk' marker. I don't think someone an inch shorter than me and thirty pounds lighter is "at risk" for anything but good health!

I would also remind people that, for muscular adult males, BMI measurements are woefully inadequate. If your son is athletic, or naturally muscular, BMI measurements do little to measure overall health risks.

(You don't have to have Schwarzenegger's musculature to skew the BMI results. Normal amounts of muscle weight can render the BMI measurement useless.)

8:03 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger dadvocate said...

dave - I used a BMI chart for kids. I wonder why it would be different?

9:03 PM, April 03, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think fat as a percent of total body weight is a better indicator of health. But it's much harder to determine.

11:29 PM, April 03, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

the problem with the bmi charts is that they are trying to fit one size for all, and kids need different amounts of energy for growth, theres been reports that kids on vegetarian diets are not as developed as normal kids eating a normal diet.

to state kids need BMI's when they still growing is the first step in producing more anorexic and bullimic people

4:35 AM, April 04, 2006  
Blogger Richard P. said...

I am sorry but correct me if i am wrong. If you look at a standard distribution wouldn't 5% be normal for those above 2 sigma? Or to look at it another way, car seat companies aim to fit 19 in 20 kids into their car seats. I don't think 5% is so outrageous.

5:07 AM, April 04, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.mythandculture.com/weblog/2005/11/stigma-of-fatness.html

In 1998, the Department of Health and Human Services redefined overweight and obesity via the BMI measurement based on a 1997-98 National Health Study. The new measurement, defined on the DHHS website, classified adult individuals with a BMI > 25 as overweight, while those with a BMI ? 30 as obese. Prior to 1997-1998, a BMI ?> 27.8 for men and a BMI > 27.3 for women were used as criteria for overweight. David Martosko, Director of Research for The Center for Consumer Freedom, a lobbying group for the food industry, testified in 2003 before the FDA. He notes in his speech that the DHHS’ reclassification of the BMI in 1998 changed the statistics of Americans overweight from 28% under the old classification to 51%. Martosko further remarks:
…the 1998 redefinition re-classified 39 million Americans as "overweight." They literally went to sleep one night at a government-approved weight, and woke up "overweight" the next morning, without gaining an ounce.

6:05 AM, April 04, 2006  
Anonymous the fat man cometh said...

very heavy going but the conclusion is very interesting

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/163/1/1

Association of Body Mass Index with Suicide Mortality: A Prospective Cohort Study of More than One Million Men

In this large prospective study, we have shown that, among males, risk of suicide decreased with increasing BMI in early adulthood

Adult BMI is positively associated with birth weight; our finding is therefore consistent with that from a recent study reporting an inverse association between suicide and birth weight (14). Of note, in our study, controlling for birth weight in the subgroup of study members with records of both birth weight and adult BMI did not materially affect the strength of the association of suicide with BMI. This finding suggests that different causal pathways may be important in the associations of birth weight and BMI with suicide. Low birth weight is also associated with an increased risk of schizophrenia (15) and depression (16). Low weight gain in infancy is associated with increased suicide risk (17), and low BMI in childhood is associated with increased risk of schizophrenia (18), which in turn accounts for about 10 percent of suicides (19). Mechanisms underlying these patterns of risk could therefore contribute to the associations with suicide observed in our study.

6:33 AM, April 04, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've seen a number of really fat kids and I can't help but think that part of the problem is lack of exercise. When I was a kid (I'm 55) my mother would give us breakfast and then we'd go outside and play. We'd come in and eat lunch and then go out again. Same for dinner and then we'd be out until the sun went down.
We played ball, we hiked, we rode our bikes all over town.

We didn't skimp on food - we ate bacon, sausage, eggs, meat and potatoes. We always had dessert. But we didn't have a lot of snacks and coke was a Friday night treat.

8:16 AM, April 04, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

C'mon, folks: are we really trying to say that adults and kids in America aren't fat these days? Sure we are. I'm not all that worried about it, though. It's a natural response to a) decreases in physically-active jobs and b) increases in consumption of calorie-dense pre-prepared foods. Give us a generation or so, and we'll work it out, either by learning better portion sizing or by inventing a miracle pill that keeps food from being absorbed by the body. In the meantime, though, it's ridiculous to say that fat doesn't have health implications. I'm about 30 lbs overweight. I'm fit and healthy, but when I run a race and see people who haven't trained dash by me because they aren't carrying the extra ballast, it's hard to deny that excess weight is going to have health consequences. There is a middle ground between obesity epidemic panic and obesity denial.

10:37 AM, April 04, 2006  
Blogger ronin1516 said...

I guess one cant generalise. I am 5'7", and befor I became a sick with a brain tumor, I was a very fit person with 9% body fat, and I weighed 200 lbs. Had normal cholesterol and other blood test scores. But by the conventional BMI index charts, I was morbidly overweight, since I was considered to be 40lbs overweight. The BMi charts dont take into accont that some folks are big-boned, oe just plain built like a fireplug.

11:46 AM, April 04, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"... marilyn monroe, most men drool over her, with the obesity charts today, she would be obese..."

Not that old canard again...MM was a size 12 back then, which is like a size 8 now. Not bad really. Not anorexic, just right.

3:40 PM, April 04, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

actually a size 16 in the UK

4:02 PM, April 04, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This thin obsession has become insane. I know this one woman, who looking at her sonogram, a week before she was supposed to give birth, was complaining about seeing fat rolls on the kid still inside her womb!!!

5:20 PM, April 04, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

sheesh sounds like that person is going to give her kids hell if they put on any weight. i wouldnt like to be in those kids shoes..if she is that paranoid about that what else is she gonna get paranoid about

5:27 PM, April 04, 2006  
Blogger Kip said...

I have no doubt that a small number of kids are fat, that that BMI standard is just absurd - complete baloney. My daughter, 2+half years old, is 16 kilos. I have no doubt she'll be around 18 kilos by age 3. And she isn't fat at all, she's a tall, strong, healthy, beautiful little girl. She eats a Japanese/Western mixed diet. Plenty of rice and vegetables, plus plenty of meat, and she's thriving.

7:16 PM, April 04, 2006  
Blogger Kip said...

And now you mention it, she just outgrew her car seat too. Not from being fat either, but from being too tall and long-legged and just plain big. We bought her a new booster version just last week...

7:30 PM, April 04, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Discovery Channel has a series on various indigenous tribes around the world. One thing I notice is how fit and in shape these people are. The men are all trim and well muscled. The women fit the same molds, but have the obvious additional curves. That's how we developed, and I'd say that's how we should look.

10:39 PM, April 04, 2006  
Anonymous Denise said...

Whatever, 22.39. Why can't people just accept that there are different body types, and some of them are fat. Yes, FAT. Lordy, get over yourselves.

1:05 AM, April 05, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But of course there are children too big for their car seats: there's no reason for a car seat to be made to fit everyone in the first place. Just like anything else, companies make things to fit the "average" user, not the 5 or 10% at the extremes in any direction.

Second, we never used to require CAR SEATS for all children under 40 pounds. And the "4 years of 40 pounds" is equally absurd, and based on poor, if any, science, about childhood injuries during car accidents. But we have no idea if this means kids are too big now or not, because we have no prior data, just some random "4 years or 40 pounds" kind of state requirements.

11:14 PM, April 05, 2006  
Anonymous Teresa said...

I've been so busy lately I nearly missed this one... and I haven't had time to go through all the comments. But I can tell you that my son (who was NEVER ever fat) weighed more than 40 pounds when he was 3 years old. He was TALL. He was born and continued to be well over the 99th percentile in height for his age. So, when he was 3 - most people mistook him for 5. This was often a problem as people expected him to act older than he was!

While I realize there are most certainly fat children in the world. I wonder if we stopped basing weight on age, and instead looked at it in relation to height - if there would be a different perspective. After all - when were those height/weight charts developed? Have there been studies lately to find out if height by age is still somewhat accurate? If height is off then weight will be too.

I have not been a fan of height/weight charts for children or adults for a long time. It simply doesn't seem to take into account natural variations that are outside the chart limits. But it does make a nice scare story for the news.

Oh yeah - my son was 3 years old... 19 years ago... now he's 6'4" and weighs in (last I heard) at about 185.

12:20 PM, April 06, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

Most insurance charts are based on the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company (MLIC) Height and Weight tables, first published in 1942. The charts claim to list the weights at which people live the longest. Updated in 1959 and in 1983, the MLIC tables are based on data from more than four million life insurance policies.

but some were created in the 1920;s

3:26 PM, April 06, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

http://www.nutribase.com/fwchartm.shtml

In 1942, Louis Dublin, a statistician at Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, grouped some four million people who were insured with Metropolitan Life into categories based on their height, body frame (small, medium or large) and weight. He discovered that the ones who lived the longest were the ones who maintained their body weight at the level for average 25-year-olds.

These Metropolitan Life tables became widely used for determining recommended body weights. In 1942, the tables gave "ideal body weights." In 1959, they were revised and became "desirable body weights." And in 1983, they were revised once again, this time called "height and weight tables." The weights given in the 1983 tables are heavier than the 1942 tables because, in general, heavier people live longer today.

Experts have criticized the validity of these tables for several reasons:
1) Insured people tend to be healthier than uninsured people.
2) Frame size was never consistently measured.
3) The people who were included were predominantly white and middle-classed.
4) Some persons were actually weighed, some were not.
5) Some wore shoes and/or clothing, some did not.
6) The tables do not consider percentage of body fat or distribution, which are now known to be important factors in longevity.

3:28 PM, April 06, 2006  
Blogger benning said...

Coockies, crackers, candy ... and that's what the little darlin's drop on the store floor where I work. The chubbies come in stuffing their faces, and leave stuffing their faces.

Snacking keeps them quiet, doncha know?

4:16 PM, April 06, 2006  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

Hell, from '83-'93 I ran a stunt show and my group and I worked 6-8 hours every Sat/Sun. I was 195. When I went for a checkup for work, a Dr. told me with a straight face I was 15lb overweight. He looked terribly insulted when I burst out laughing. I asked him to poke me in the stomach with his finger, and when it just bounced off, asked just how I was supposed to lose that weight? He had no answer then, and that is the situation now. It's all AMA bullshit designed for more office visits. Shame on the b****ds.

7:45 PM, May 02, 2006  
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