Monday, January 30, 2006

Self-Made Sexist

Leave it to a woman at the Guardian to provide a sexist description of how she views being a man. In response to Norah Vincent's Self-Made Man, this is how the reviewer says she would act as a male:

Maybe that's why male-me would just give up trying to be great and succumb (with regret) to being arrogant, chauvinistic-appalling and subsequently having a whale of a time. I'd have the big red 'compensating' car, the smarmy chat-up lines, the commitment-phobia. I'd love 'em and leave 'em and, if it comes to it, pretend I never met 'em. I'd come home to my wife stinking of perfume, with my trousers covered in grass stains, and tell her off for being 'paranoid'. I'd trample on colleagues ruthlessly and swagger around the office like the undiscovered Donald Trump. I'd read Nuts on the loo because 'I like the articles'. And there you go. Not only does masculinity suddenly look a lot easier, it also looks a lot more fun. Odd to think, though, that women who are feminists might be more likely to become men who are chauvinists.

Lady, you must be one hell of a feminist.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, the woman who wrote that article sure seems to have some issues. As a man she sounds EXACTLY like the woman we fear most. I can't really hate her for her article. She sounds so bitter and angry I can only feel sorry for her and fear dating someone like her by accident.

It is, however, a poignant comment on society that her comments will go unchallenged by most readers just as the did by her editors. Imagine, for a moment, that a man at the Guardian had written an article that hostile towards women. The editors would have killed the article at a minimum. He might have also be warned about harassment.

8:00 AM, January 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One can only hold out a forlorn hope that the Guardian article was written tongue-in-cheek. Meanwhile, if any press is good press, maybe Norah will benefit.

It might be worth mentioning that gender issues in the UK are at least as bad as here, if not worse. European social norms tends to lag 10-15 years behind the US. Think back to feminism and its effects in 1980, then contemplate Barbara Ellen in that setting.

9:16 AM, January 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Note that this is exactly the type of attitude that Vincent encountered while dating - that Ned, like all men, was assumed guilty until proven innocent.

9:16 AM, January 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Whether in ... in rightist "Christian" forums, the idea that males are lesser beings is common."

eh? I've never seen this. Perhaps I should get out more...

10:34 AM, January 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

women who are feminists might be more likely to become men who are chauvinists.

I think that nails it. Hyper-feminists and playas are both alike in that they don't really like women very much. Hyper-feminists don't like men much either - they must be lonely.

10:44 AM, January 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s all fun and games when an angry feminist takes a sexist caricature of men and inserts her bitter little heart and mind into the form for a bit of speculative fun. It’s all cock, balls and swagger then, isn’t it? She should have stopped at her friend’s response when she asked him if she’d make a good man: “Not really. Why don’t you have a go at being a woman?”

10:49 AM, January 30, 2006  
Blogger DADvocate said...

Geez, what do you say to something like this? I've never met a man like the one she describes. Maybe it's a feminist fantasy. Unfortunately, I have met women who say the things this woman says.

From my personal, unscientific experience, the men (and women) most likely to leave a committed relationship, buy a "compesating" car or other such item, and go "find themselves" or search for "self-actualization" were on the more more liberal side of the fence.

10:55 AM, January 30, 2006  
Blogger BobH said...

If she isn't a lesbian, she probably complains that she can't get a date because "Men are immature jerks" and/or "Men are afraid of committment" and/or "Men are afraid of strong women".

I've just learned to walk away from women like that. Talking with them is at best pointless and at worst dangerous. Of course, then women accuse men of "not expressing their feelings."

11:08 AM, January 30, 2006  
Blogger HarryDisco said...

Looking at some of my fellow men this lady might not be far from the truth. We guys are a bunch of losers. Swagger or no swagger, we've gone of the gooselay a long time ago.

12:00 PM, January 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazingly enough, I don't care what women think of me... that is beyond my girlfriend.

Don't care what some lesbian masquerading as a man thinks of me.

Don't care what Dr. Helen thinks of me.

And, especially, I don't care what feminists think of me.

I decide my life and my identity on my own. Stick it, girls.

12:08 PM, January 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ned, like all men, was assumed guilty until proven innocent.

More like, "Guilty until proven guiltier."

1:23 PM, January 30, 2006  
Blogger Peregrine John said...

My brother once observed that "feminist" looked as a word, and acted as a person, an awful lot like "female chauvinist" contracted. Mayhaps he was right after all.

1:47 PM, January 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The man she describes is a character
( Dean Martin maybe? ) from Holywood movies of the 50's and 60's, but has nothing to do with reality.

Feminists really live in a remote place

- a hermetically sealed bubble -

totally disconnected from the real world.

The very few men that were like that, have disapeared a long time ago with scrubbing boards and black&white mono-sound television...

Who can take feminists seriously?

5:06 PM, January 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Feminists are just the female version of the man she's describing, so I find it odd that she finds it odd that she would make a good male chauvinist. :-\

3:32 AM, January 31, 2006  
Blogger Assistant Village Idiot said...

From my Underground DSM-IV: People who have "issues with men," or "issues with women" usually turn out to not get along with either sex very well.

8:29 AM, February 01, 2006  
Blogger Mercurior said...

i try not to be sexist or racist, but the moment i see a feminist talking bout men, i think to myself how would you feel if it was a man that said that about women, you would be shocked and outraged.

6:52 AM, February 14, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will guess humbly that this impersonation of a male could be specifically characteristic of a war torn society that causes and justifies war, which i don't blame others for hating reasonably. I, a male, can say mostly women ought not to experience war, which is a reasonable response as a true protector... but what about women letting men defend themselves? I think many women take for granted that there are far more men than assumed who will protect more than themselves and naturally need an outlet to express it reasonably? yeah it is a question that which i just love to ask, since questions prevent violence or warn others off if it comes off that way. So in other words, i ask, which sex, preference or whatever, is better overall at protecting the other sex... and what is begotten for it... to be hated is what i'm picking up... should i give it up or what?
we are always in search of new friends and look who loses them, but a mismanaged philosophy.... no implications afterall, right?

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