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nobody would pay attention to her if she wasn`t so angry.
the guy in the elevator got away cheap.
Rebecca Watson reminds me of many of the patients at the mental health center I worked at years ago. They felt the whole world should change to accept them and their needs/demands. Most unrealistic.
Alkon says: Men "sexualize" women. Ladies, they want to have sex with you, your sister, your sister's friend, your sister's friend's friend, the cashier, the waitress, the lady with the big luscious ass who's crossing the street, and her sister and her sister's friend. If men weren't like this, the planet would be filled with plants and cockroaches instead of human beings.
That's especially true for a woman like Watson. What self-respecting man would put up with her infantile crap if he didn't think he could get in her pants? Many women are worth knowing as friends. Watson's not one of them.
Feminism is the religion of female victimhood; nothing more or less. We are superior beings because we live in a state of perpetual vulnerability. We are incapable of wrongdoing because that's what men are for.
It is the most asinine social/political movement since the advent of the Klan, and yet the Klan doesn't hate as many people as does N.O.W.
Watson is a perfect example of what happens to the human brain when it is indulged with identity politics.
I've got 2 things to say about this whole fiasco:
"right after I finish talking about how it creeps me out and makes me uncomfortable when men sexualize me in that manner."
Really? Then don't post naked pictures of yourself online reading your atheism books, ok?
In regards to "the risk women face" well then perhaps you should become Islamic where you can live under the protection of your father until some other man comes and marries you so he can be responsible for protecting you. Otherwise, you're going to have to grow up, put on your big girl panties, and realize that risk is just a fact of life and it's up to you to be able to handle it. Men don't seem to have a problem with it, and we're twice as likely to be a victim of violent crime vs women.
I think Alkon has her head screwed on right most of the time, but she tends to go overboard with the meme that men are ruled by their hormones and 'sexualize your garndma'. What tripe. Sometimes a cup of coffee is just a cup of coffee.
twice as likely to be a victim of violent crime vs women.
And three times as likely to be murdered. Men are more likely to be the victim of every violent crime than women except rape.
@Stosh2: I agree with your take on Alkon. For the most part, she is willing to take on feminist crap whenever she encounters it, but I don't think her view of men is any higher than a typical feminist.
She might like dogs as much as I do, but she tends to think of men as dogs. She would do well to turn down the snark volume. It tends to overrule her viewpoint.
All I know is this. A couple of years ago, I used to blog at the Dallas Cowboys website, gained some sort of short-lived notariety. Everyone wanted to get together for a game, so we did. Over 30 people from all over flew in to watch the Cowboys lose a football game.
There was this one girl, who happened to be a moderator that several of the guys had sent, shall we say, lude emails to, propositioning her. It made her uncomfortable.
I showed up, as always, well dressed, well scented, and well groomed. I behaved myself, never laid a finger on her, never came on to her. I did sing her a couple of songs from Hair, just to make her laugh.
Next thing you know, she threw her arms around me and gave me a hot kiss. (Not altogether unexpected.) I simply held her and kissed her back.
That really pissed off these other guys, and they took it out on her. I find that completely unacceptable.
You got something to say? Say it to me. You don't say anything to her. She was high on champagne, and she picked me in a moment for a kiss. I didn't take it any farther than that, I knew what was going on, didn't try to feel her up or anything. She needed someone to hold her and kiss her, not some internet pervert out for a cheap fuck.
Today, this woman loves me. She really does. All this goes to show is that my method works.
You show up well dressed, well scented, well groomed, and behave yourself. Let her come to you. The more you come on to her, the more she rejects you. It's that simple.
Asking a woman out on an elevator is an idiot's move. And don't think she doesn't know it.
Asking a woman out on an elevator is an idiot's move.
Depends on how you ended up on the elevator together. If you've been sitting, walking, talking together before you get on the elevator, no. If you're two strangers on an elevator, yes. If the woman is Rebecca Watson, yes in both cases.
BTW - Plenty of women are comfortable with their sexuality and enjoy being sexy. Hence, the popularity of Victoria's Secret, et al.
The Rebecca Watson's of the world have psychological problems and project it on everyone else.
@ZorroPrimo - Yep. No matter what topic Alkon is writing on, she always inserts a paragraph about what dumb animals men are. She seems to come to acceptable conclusions, but she can't seem to resist men bashing getting there. Too bad for her credibility that.
Most hard core feminists I have ever had the pleaseure to meet are butt ugly and at least 100 pounds over weight. Feminism is where they go to be accepted. They complain about, and hate men, who wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. And they complain about and bitch about women they can only wish they looked half as good as.
Beauty, the final and forever prejudice.
I can't wait until beauty is legislated and regulated. Equal outcome in the looks department through government intervention is going to create a planet of some damned ugly people.
There is a huge kernal of truth in Alkons generalization of mens sexuality. My 20 years experience in US Army line units living with lots of men blends credence to her statement.
I know I'm a horndog, but I am also a gentleman about it, which is the appropriate conduct in most public settings. Which is how most men act.
Getting the vapors over what Alkon said about mens sexuality is to be like that Watson girl-child.
"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."
lends credence not 'blends' heh.
@SGT Ted:
"Getting the vapors over what Alkon said about mens sexuality is to be like that Watson girl-child."
1. Many hearty congratulations on 20 years in the military, only to end up using pathetic shaming language.
2. If you're a horndog, you're not a gentleman.
3. colonels can be huge. kernels are, by definition, diminutive in nature and stature.
When the day comes that Alkon generalizes--accurately--about female sexuality, I might take her seriously. I'm not holding my breath. I stand by my evaluation of her spectacular hypocracy and solipsisms.
If telling me I'm not a gentleman isn't shaming language then I don't know what is then.
I am a horn-dog and a gentleman, because my conduct is that of a gentleman, while at the same time, I aknowledge my biology and what drives it.
Getting all offended when some female points out that men like to look at women and think of sex is to ignore the reality of simple human male biology. As well as being over the top, just about as over the top as the womyn flipping out that some drunk person hit on her in an elevator,
It isn't shaming language to point out reality. If not facing reality is being a "gentleman", then of course I'm not one.
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zorro, do you watch "the view" and then spend an hour griping about it?
ted is accurate in his general assesment of men`s sexuality and his own internal/external sexual simmer state.
if men weren`t like this there wouldn`t be so many people on the planet, and women wouldn`t want us.
feminism is a fantastic religion much like environmentalism and others that have irrational beliefs and make shit up to fit the paradigm...but it helps the congregation deal with their lives.
and government dines on their devotion.
men have learned to deal with their (our) sexuality over generations of civilised urban existance. women are only just coming to terms with theirs, and when women like golddigger spell it out (lightly and brightly) some men are shocked.
thankfully some women are as able to cope with their sexuality as sgt. ted is able to without being horrified with their feelings and project them onto others, like andrea dworkin did so magnificently. i have to applaud someone who managed to make an international movement of her neurosis...though, like hitler, she could have chose other means.
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@Dr A: Get back on your meds. And I wish you and Sgt Ted the best of all happiness in the world.
Amy Alkon gives off a whiff of smirking because she can manipulate men based on their uncontrollable sex drive. SGT Ted wants to do nothing other than confirm that. His description - a panting Horndog - sounds like someone who will do anything and pay any amount of money to even have a girl talk to him. He seems to be downright proud of it.
Some men find that a bit distasteful. Men and women both have sex drives - I'm not going to be manipulated by a woman and especially not the average to below-average Alkon with her smirking insinuations of manipulating men via their sex drive.
And then dr.alistair weighs in with his usual irrelevant, solipsistic crap, including a violation of Godwin's Law. He should be working on his doctorate in theology (as he claims to be doing in his profile) so that he will finally have some kind of doctor title.
i think, and i might be wrong, that a comparison to nazis would be in accordance with godwin`s law, not violating it...but the fact remains, dworkin and hitler both had substantial issues projected onto culture in a damaging way. further, godwin himself admits that his law and it`s corollaries do not apply to comparisions with other totalitarian regimes or ideologies since such a comparison may be appropriate, and so is not a fallacy of comparison, which jg suggests...and my statement is highly relevant to the feminist underpinnings of alkon et al.
b+ for effort though.
dr.alistair:
Have you tried a doctorate in Education? They pretty much dispense them like candy. That may be a better route to finally get the recognition as a doctor that you deserve.
no, i`d have to hang around with teachers and other pedants.
Wow JG you are way off in your assessment of me to be sure. About as much as Zorro. My ego isn't tied up in it at all. Nor do I allow myself to be led around by my dick. Nor do I find human biology distasteful.
Are you a prude?
"like trying to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end...."
i like that.
No matter what topic Alkon is writing on, she always inserts a paragraph about what dumb animals men are. She seems to come to acceptable conclusions, but she can't seem to resist men bashing getting there.
I think Ms Alkon's opinions about men are more reflective of herself and the men she chooses than about men in general
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SGT Ted inquires: "Are you a prude?"
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Frankly, I'm getting to be more of a prude as I get older.
The last bestiality three way was a bummer because the monkey injured my anus with his strap-on.
Can't you get more creative like " 'Yur a stoopid homo' cuz you don't pay for sex" ?
Men get manipulated by women left and right with sex. That's the main way women get rich. For every Oprah on the Forbes list, there are hundreds or thousands of Mary Waltons and Mrs. Krocs. I wouldn't be proud of it.
I wouldn't be proud of supporting some sit-at-home, I wouldn't be proud of being so desperate that I yield something to a woman for sex, I wouldn't be proud of being used or manipulated by a woman for sex.
Maybe because I'm older - it just ain't going to happen to me, but I honestly pity young men who have to fight through a mountain of shit from a woman to have sex with her.
A former exotic dancer (now) named Patricia Kluge married some rich guy and then divorced him and got almost a billion dollars. She recently filed for bankruptcy after blowing through all of that money.
Just think of how that money could have supported inventors who couldn't get funding. Just think of how that money could have been put to good use.
No, there's something wrong with a society that thinks a woman's comfort after she leaves a rich guy is more important. She should take a hike and get a friggin' job.
And all of this comes about because of chivalrous dudes who seem to be proud of the fact that they are horndogs.
Can't do anything about it! Got to give lots and lots and lots of money to women just so they will talk to me.
Solution: Get some self-respect. If more men did that, far fewer women would be the entitled princesses they are today.
There is no connection to rationally aknowledging your own sex drive and shoveling huge amounts of cash at women in a desperate attempt to talk to them. Thats the mistaken conflation you make in regards to your assessment of my words on the subject. In fact, my personal choice in partners has always been someone who is self sufficient and a hard worker. Leeches are always unattractive to me.
ted, again you point out the obvious.
and jg, kluges money went right back into the economy, and did her little good over time, as she`s now bankrupt.
if she was a little brighter she may have put some of it into t-bills or even mutual funds, but she`s a ripper....
"My 20 years experience in US Army line units living with lots of men lends credence to her statement. I know I'm a horndog, but I am also a gentleman about it, which is the appropriate conduct in most public settings. Which is how most men act."
My nearly 20 years experience dating boys and men leads me to concur with SGT Ted and dr. alistair. People can deny it all they like (their T levels drop off a cliff as they age, so it will become progressively easier to do so), but the truth is we are born of risen apes, not fallen angels. The habits of civilization are things we're taught; they're not innate, they're not a part of our nature. Sexual behavior, however, is. We control our choices, but some behavior is hardwired.
Let me give you an example. There's something men do sometimes that I don't think they're even aware of. Say I'm sitting at a table having a drink with a man. At first he's energetic and lively, talking animatedly and perhaps gesturing with his hands. But after a little while he stills and his body starts to tense up. Gradually he begins to lean forward and soon his head isn't moving at all. He's staring intently, directly into my eyes, and his blink rate slows. He's still listening, but not talking as much. Just staring, occasionally sweeping his eyes over the rest of my face, but always returning to that intense eye contact. As I watch I can see the pupils of his eyes widening, growing larger and larger, until his eyes are shiny and black with just a thin ring of blue or brown around the edge.
This used to frighten me when I was a girl - the behavior is exactly that of a cat hunting a bird, and it's quite primitive - but I've long since womaned up about it. Now when it happens I note it, take his hand and lightly stroke the inside of his wrist, keeping my thumb discretely pressed against his pulse. That way I can monitor his heart rate and figure out whether I need to launch into a droning pedantic lecture about the economic history of the United States or allow things to continue.
So, yes. I think most men want to be gentlemen. But I also think women need to be sensitive to the fact that control is harder for men than it is for us. Most girls don't truly understand that. If they did, there'd be far less cock teasing going on and far fewer ugly incidents on dates.
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