Friday, February 29, 2008

Percentage of Male Teachers Hits 40-Year Low

An MSN article notes that male teachers continue to take a nosedive (Thanks Mike):

According to statistics recently released by the National Education Association (NEA), men made up just 24.4 percent of the total number of teachers in 2006. In fact, the number of male public school teachers in the U.S. has hit a record 40-year low. Arkansas, at 17.5 percent, and Mississippi, with 17.7 percent, have the lowest percentage of male teachers, while Kansas, at 33.3 percent, and Oregon, with 31.4 percent, boast the largest percentage of men leading the classroom.....

Why the downward trend in male teaching? According to Bryan Nelson, founder of MenTeach, a nonprofit organization dedicated to recruiting male teachers, research suggests three key reasons for the shortage of male teachers: low status and pay, the perception that teaching is "women's work," and the fear of accusation of child abuse.

Many men once in the profession say they quit because of worries that innocuous contact with students could be misconstrued, reports the NEA.

In addition to worrying about being called a pervert, men also face discrimination in the interview process, according to the article:

For men thinking of heading into education, Nelson offered hard-won advice: Be persistent. Get practical experience first. Look for resources to help you get through school, and, when applying for a job, make sure you have thick skin.

"People will ask you inappropriate questions," he said, recalling a recent e-mail he received from an aspiring male teacher who was asked during a job interview, "Why would any healthy male want to work with kids?"

In such situations, Nelson suggests stressing the positive aspects of having a man in the classroom. "When kids see [a man] in front of them on a daily basis, it helps to contradict negative stereotypes," Nelson said.

So men are told to get a thick skin, get used to handling "inappropriate questions," and learn to contradict negative sterotypes. In other words, if men are discriminated against, it is up to them to deal with the fall-out and to change negative steroptypes and to expect no help from other people. So men are guilty unless proven otherwise. Reader Mike who sent me the article link had this to say about the sexist way male teachers are handled at interviews:

What would the NEA or NOW or NAACP or.... say if "gay & transgendered" or "woman" or "black person" or.... the acceptable list goes on & on, were it substituted for "healthy male"??? I do believe something stronger than "inappropriate questions" would be used to describe this - no? And I would expect the ACLU to be filing suit within hours - yes?

The ACLU filing suit for sexism against men? Uhh, doubtful. Expect the downward trend of males in teaching to continue, for just like the marriage strike, most smart men will be hesitant to enter an institution where being male puts them at risk of being charged with abuse, having their livelihood taken from them with little or no due process, and being taken from the children that they love.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it already starts in college. There are some departments today that are so overrun with political correctness, feminist ideas and all the rest that they are actively hostile to men.

Gender studies, social work and elementary education fall into this group.

Of course less men are going to go into those subjects at university.

8:28 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger dienw said...

Given this, why should it be puzzling that boys do poorly in the same toxic environment?

9:47 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Rizzo said...

research suggests three key reasons for the shortage of male teachers: low status and pay, the perception that teaching is "women's work," and the fear of accusation of child abuse.

I think these three things play a role, although I think it's odd that the idea that teaching is "women's work" would be more prominent today than in the past. But, as jg touched on, I think they leave off the role of Education programs in dissuading men from entering the profession. Aside from being overrun with political correctness and feminist ideas, men simply don't like taking these types of courses (for a variety of reasons that I won't get into now).

Most of my male teachers in k-12 (really more like 6-12) had Master's degrees in the subject areas they taught, not in Education. Allow people to teach who have subject matter expertise rather than general Education degrees, and I can almost guarantee you'll see more men, although perhaps still not at the elementary level.

10:14 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Mister-M said...

And sadly, as a result, our children (boys and girls alike) will be subjected to the mindless rantings of those who would continue to promote the demonization of men & boys in our culture.

Frigging beautiful.


10:15 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Steverino said...

You know, I hadn't realized it until I read this column, but, growing up in the '60s, I didn't have a male teacher until junior high.

10:16 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Charles Martel said...

I'm a 28 year old male, just beginning a Masters program in Childhood Education, and I assure you, the bias against male teachers begins well before one actually begins teaching. One of the first courses I've been required to take is a Diversity class, and so far, it has been a virtual non-stop tirade against everything that men have ever done in this country. We have basically touched on nothing that would relate to teaching, instead, we focus on how men (particularly white, European men), have apparently been responsible for everything that is wrong in the world. If this is what I, and those like me, have to look forward too, it's no wonder there's such a stunning lack of diversity among teachers.

10:20 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger TWM said...

I have two sons who are going into teaching - one as an English teacher and another as a Band Director - and they are both concerned about these very things.

I, myself, am going to retire from my current profession in a few years and I have given a lot of thought to teaching. I have two good friends who teach, both women, and both of them are begging me to do it because they know they need strong male role models in schools today. One is an elementary school teacher and she is constantly after me to teach at that level, but I keep telling her that I worry too much about accusations of child abuse.

She says it won't happen - that it is exaggerated, and maybe it is, but I have a personal anecdote that proves it is real.

I told a co-worker of my plans to teach and maybe teach at an elementary school and the first thing she said was, "There is no way I would let my two girls be in a class with a male teacher."

So even if the other teachers want you there, how do you deal with parents like that?

10:49 AM, February 29, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Rizzo above about the value of learning the subject matter.

Aside from the fact that some teachers are actually teaching FALSE things (I remember a particularly dopey teacher for electricity and magnetism in high school), if they don't know anything about the subject matter, they are going to pass along their boredom and disinterest.

Sometimes you have the phys-ed major, who works as the coach, also teaching math and science. He at least took something in a subject area, though, a whole lot of education majors are heavy on the theory of education.

I hate to say it, but most "theory of education" classes are nonsense. The diversity-theory crap is just politics, and left-wing politics at that.

What you get coming out of college is teachers who don't know much about the subject areas they are teaching, but who are drilled and brainwashed in all the current feminist and left-wing ideas and buzzwords.

10:49 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: All
RE: Mister M and Nicholas Comments [Erroneous Posting Problems w/Blogger]

It's all psyops and the 'Big Lie', write large and on a daily basis to our children.


[Repeat a lie often enough and people will accept it as truth. Especially at an early age from a proported 'authority figure'.]

10:55 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Charles Martel said...

The scariest part is that so many of the other prospective teachers eat this stuff up, they seem to think that the most important part of their job, as a teacher, will be to ensure that no one gets their feelings hurt, that every culture is treated as equal, and that every viewpoint is given the same level of respect. There is nothing said about actually teaching, or whether or not the children being taught are going to be at all prepared for higher education, or life.

The generation of children being "taught" by my crop of teachers are going to woefully unprepared for the real world, unless their parents step up and force schools, and by extension, the government, to end this obsession with multicultural education. Schools don't have time to be teaching children about every single perspective and culture, or to be teaching history or literature through each of the varied lenses (women's studies, african-american studies etc) that are so esteemed by the educational "elite."

11:07 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger MSD said...

And this sort of thing creates a vicious cycle where boys become convinced a young age that education is for girls. This will make the already scary male / female college population mix even worse.

There will be bigger and bigger stigmas attached to boys who take to academics. Sad.

11:12 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Cham said...

11 posts so far agreeing with Helen. So what is the plan to make a positive change?

11:31 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Strabo the Lesser said...

I'm less concerned about the sexism problem than the fact many of our high schoolers can't read.

11:31 AM, February 29, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On a side note, here are a couple of other problems with education in the US:

Affirmative action: As an example, take the Detroit Public School System. Pick a bad area in Detroit (pretty much the whole city) and assess the quality of teachers there. I wonder literally whether some can read and write. I'm not kidding.
If you are going to have affirmative action, at least retain standards.

The teachers' unions: They seem to be opposed to anything that would help kids: Merit pay for better teachers, maintaining standards, testing of teachers etc.

11:32 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger SGT Ted said...

THe positive change that would have the most impact would be to bust up the teachers unions and abolish tenure in primary education. Also, de-credentialize the field to eliminate the leftwing gatekeeping called an "education major".

Either you can teach the subject or you have no business being a teacher.

11:44 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Unknown said...

Dear Dr. Helen-

I spent a year and a half teaching computers to elementary school kids in Beverly Hills. i was the only male in a teaching staff of 30. Since I have that "Dad Voice." i was often called into other teacher's classes to bring order to chaos. it was a lot of fun working with the kids but near the end of the year, i was accused of "inappropriately touching" one of the little girls. i had to face the father who decided that he was going to kick my butt. i had to take the rest of the day off while it was investigated. i literally spent the weekend throwing up.

fortunately for me, the administrator knew the young girl and she had a history of making unfounded charges. the child was forced to admit to her parent that she had lied in an effort to get out of doing her work. the father never apologized for his threats. The best part is that the child was forced to apologize and admit her lie in front of her entire class and her classmates treated her with the distain she deserved.

i would advise any man to avoid teaching children. the rewards are amazing but this sort of thing happens much too often. all the good feelings i had toward the experience of teaching were blown aside during that attack. and i won't forget that the father never apologized for this threats and for raising a liar.

11:52 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Podunk said...

I can add to the anecdotal evidence that the problem starts before male teachers get into the classroom. I was fortunate to have a couple of male teachers in high school who related how they both transfered colleges to avoid an education department head who felt that male teachers weren't acceptable. There were a few years where the department has zero male education majors.

I later had a friend who would've made a great teacher get run out of the same program. I took their Freshman year intro course and realized I wasn't welcome, so I pursued my math and computer degrees first, then did my education classes in a different program.

11:52 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Unknown said...

Its sad. Growing up, some of my best teachers were male. My brother taught chemistry for a while. One of my best friends from college became a teacher and he was out of this world good.

It wouldn't concern me at all to have a male teacher for my children.

I agree with the guy who says you have to be able to teach the subject - but its hard to get math and science types to go into the classroom. They also need to be able to transfer their knowledge effectively, which not all are equipped readily to do (thus, why I wouldn't deep six education requirements entirely)

In addition, merit bonuses in education is hard because a child's willingness to learn is to a very large extent governed by the the environment in which that child is raised. I went to one of the worst public school districts in Virginia, but managed to do very well in graduate and post graduate education. My mother and father were behind me, riding my butt the entire way ;).

Better money, cut down on the bureaucracy, focus on the really important stuff: read, writing, math, science, and leave the social engineering - ie., religious instruction, "social studies," etc. - to the parents. That is their obligation.

11:59 AM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Timothy said...

As a male in Arkansas, who would like to teach, but decided against doing so in Arkansas, here's my take:

15 years ago, when I was retiring from the USAF in CA, I registered with Troops-for-Teachers. The Elkhorn School District near Sacramento, CA, came to Travis AFB and actively recruited for teachers. ESD would hire us, put us in a one-year teacher training program, and we would be full credentialed elementary/middle school teachers at the end of the first year. ESD covered all expenses.

Arkansas did nothing to recruit me. Arkansas has a three-year alternative certification program which I get to pay for. Basically, Arkansas raised barriers to employment which seem very much as job protection for the status quo.

I have 4 undergraduate degrees consisting of over 200 credit hours, mostly in electronics and technology, and over 30 years of classroom experince. I currently design and teach non-credit continuing education technology classes at a major university.

When Arkansas gets serious about recruiting non-traditional male teachers, I'll consider taking a 50% reduction in pay and teach in the K12 system.

God bless...

12:10 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Helen said...


"11 posts so far agreeing with Helen. So what is the plan to make a positive change?"

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I propose Title IX for male teachers, an anti-discrimination office set up for men, men's studies centers placed around colleges, particularly those with Colleges of Education, and sexual harassment lawsuits against schools who discriminate against men or who are found to unfairly charge men with sexual abuse of any sort or who deny men due process. Once schools get this type of backlash, maybe they will think twice about discriminating against men and men will feel safer in becoming teachers.

12:43 PM, February 29, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a High School teacher who began teaching after retiring from a 35 year career in government and business I couldn't agree more with the assessment re: the discrimination against male educators. However the bias extends against those who are content trained as opposed to "process" (read, education school) trained. If I were not blessed to be working in a private school I would not consider teaching. The Public Education system in general is more interested in the teachers than the students. I suspect the American educational system will see some dramatic and possibly painful adjustments in the coming decades. Some are even proposing we follow New Zealand's lead and abolish all public education bureaucracies in favor of parent elected boards of directors for each school with control over the incoming educational tax funds. Interesting thought.

12:44 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger rastus said...

It's been a problem for some time now, but the one commenter had it right: Let those with subject matter experience teach, not just those with education degrees, and you will have more men teaching.

I would have gone into the profession years ago if they'd done that. Imagine, with my widely varied engineering background, the kind of math, physics or chemistry teacher I could have been. But to switch careers would have required a decade of night courses just to meet the specific educational requirements necessary to be paid a decent wage. Wasn't worth it.

1:14 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger kmg said...

I think men are partly to blame for letting this happen to them.

Women vote in greater numbers than men. So even though men earn much more than half of the national income, they have less political power.

Also, women are organized into groups like NOW, etc. while men are not so organized.

Men are too busy joining the military and defending women from Islamic radicalism (an ideology that actually IS unfair to women). I say men let the women defend themselves from Islamic encroachment, and men help them only after they come back and humbly ask.

1:28 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Larry Sheldon said...

Minor error....

Men are guilty especially if proven innocent.

I can not imagine putting myself in jeopardy by being involved in any way with anybody's kids..

1:30 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Joe Hogan said...

I think that everyone is missing the forest while giving the trees a thorough going over. The main cause of the drop in the number of male teachers is purely demographic.

For most of our history teaching has been a female dominated profession. In the late 60's and early 70's, when college graduates faced being drafted and sent to Vietnam, many men took the avenue of entering the teaching profession, which also provided a legal exemption from the draft and a very likely death. This was a brief exceptional period in the history of American education. Once the draft ended, the usual pattern resumed, perhaps exacerbated in recent years by issues of sexual liability for men.

Those Vietnam era men, now well into their fifties, are able to retire after thirty or more years of service, utilizing the very comfortable pension systems that exist for most public employees. Thus the ratio of male to female teachers is now reverting to what is in America, for better or worse, its natural state of proportion.

1:51 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger SGT Ted said...

I agree with the guy who says you have to be able to teach the subject - but its hard to get math and science types to go into the classroom. They also need to be able to transfer their knowledge effectively, which not all are equipped readily to do (thus, why I wouldn't deep six education requirements entirely)

But teaching how to teach doesn't have to take an extra year or more, as the current ideological indoctrination fraudulently called an "education major" does.

In the Army, it takes 3 weeks to train an instructor and then serve asn an assistant instructor for 2 weeks usually, with the final test being to isntruct a subject before a board of instructors who grade you on your techniques. Education programs should have had this already programmed into their 4 year degree and not take another year to do it after graduating with a Bachelors degree. What a crock.

2:02 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Val McMurdie said...

The comments of Nickolas, Mike, and Troblog are insightful and accurate.

Perhaps the most important institution any nation has is its educational system. Cultural values and agreements, not just academic curriculum, are instilled in the next generation during these critical years.

The nations educational system today is in fact managed by and under the control of women. And it is failing academically. More importantly it is failing to instill positive male cultural values, agreements, and positive male roles. As a result males are entering adulthood without the social skills to interact with other males without withdrawing, non-violently, and to respond to status values males have used to maintain the hierarchy of civil society.

Trends, like the decline in the percentage of male teachers, will probably accelerate.

Cham asked, "so what is the plan...?

Non-acculturated men have a greater tendency toward violence because they lack social skills; they don't compete for male academic status; they don't have a vested interest in society, so they don't produce as much, seek education, or get married, consequently the world view of women and feminized men is self reinforcing. More men go to prison, fewer men will contribute to society.

This cycle is the result of a feminine world view, not just a social policy.

The reform of a cultural world view is not easy or quick. The "plan" should be to "let it burn", as my dentist recommended. I've discussed this problem with older MDs who are being forced out of their profession (it is not just teaching that is affected), as well as JDs.

Women can be warriors too. As Mike, Nichols and Troblog have already noted, they want to put you in jail, deprive you of a valued profession, drug your sons, and attack male organizations. Amazons are nothing new in human history.

The difference is for the first time in historic period women are able to enact the laws and regulation they want.

The answer is to withdraw, disconnect. Begin creating all male schools. Recreate male organizations reflecting male values.

Twenty years from now, if trends continue, most of the basic institutions of civil society, including education, especially in "Blue" states will be in chaos.

Reforms will needed. It may sound extreme today, but my suggestion is to revisit the 19th Amendment.

2:11 PM, February 29, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And sadly, as a result, our children (boys and girls alike) will be subjected to the mindless rantings of those who would continue to promote the demonization of men & boys in our culture."

Especially with 'women's' studies in college- Feminists are a hate group. It's the same as if the KKK taught history.

2:38 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Mark said...

Sgt Ted hit it on the nail. I am a close-to-retiring computer professional with 25 years in the computer business and a real desire to be a teacher. I think its fun and rewarding to teach and did all the technical teaching at my company.

In order to get a $32,000/year job teaching (less than half of my current salary) I need to go back to school for 2 years FULL-TIME to get my certification and then spend years with a "mentor." I understand that there are special skills in being a teacher (99% of them in how to keep from being sued) but it is a real deterrent. Instead of the public schools I aim to look into technical schools where all you need is a MCT certification

2:47 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger David Foster said...

"In addition, merit bonuses in education is hard because a child's willingness to learn is to a very large extent governed by the the environment in which that child is raised"...isn't this kind of like arguing that paying salemen on commission is unfair, because a customer's willingness to buy is outside the sales rep's control? Or that paying factory managers on merit is unfair because results are influenced by employee attitudes, supplier cooperation, etc?

It takes some thought to design incentive plans which are fair and which actually incentivize the behavior you want them to, but it can be done.

2:50 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger B. Durbin said...

My high school had a number of male teachers, even though the ratio was skewed more towards the female. The interesting part is that I attended a private girls' school, and I wouldn't be surprised in the least to find out that the local public schools had a lower percentage of male teachers.

Of course, my calculus teacher had no educational degree at all; he was, instead, a local engineer. Because private schools can do that. I think, however, that they prefer to have a high percentage of degreed teachers since it helps with accreditation.

3:02 PM, February 29, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm a 28 year old male, just beginning a Masters program in Childhood Education, and I assure you, the bias against male teachers begins well before one actually begins teaching. One of the first courses I've been required to take is a Diversity class, and so far, it has been a virtual non-stop tirade against everything that men have ever done in this country. We have basically touched on nothing that would relate to teaching, instead, we focus on how men (particularly white, European men), have apparently been responsible for everything that is wrong in the world. If this is what I, and those like me, have to look forward too, it's no wonder there's such a stunning lack of diversity among teachers."

Beautiful. Sounds Women's Psych and all of my English classes. Well said.

3:22 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Mr. W said...

First off I am a male 31, math teacher with a degree in math.

That being said I think that more men are staying out of teaching because of the worries of being accused of something inappropriate. I remember when I started coaching right out of high school (13 years ago) and my head coach told me never ever be alone in a room alone with a student male or female.

I think teacher prep classes are failling new teachers becuase they want us to become the students "friends". That is dangerous territory. Yet there is no training on how to handle certain situations.

BTW, I agree with the comment how this could explain the males low test scores in high school...maybe?

3:33 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Memphis said...

Whatever the reasons, our country is suffering for the lack of male teachers. Boys need the male figures in their lives and with divorce being a feminized industry, its no secret that fathers are the ones most often discarded. All this talk of single sex schools is going to focus on girls' educations almost exclusively, but if there are boys schools built, it could help create a better market for male teachers. The boys need them.

3:48 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Mom said...

I'm a 57 year old mother of six and grandmother of - so far - seven, and for almost two decades I worked as an activist and lobbyist for men's and father's rights in the states and in Congress. I want to add my observation that no matter what a man does in terms of teaching children or simply trying to be a good dad to his own children, he cannot win.

Feminists expect men to pay ferociously high child support amounts while having no say over the use of the money. They demand that men stipulate to paternity, but give men fewer or no rights in terms of choosing abortion or not, adoption or not, shared parenting or not.

If a man is so unfortunate as to be passionate about teaching, he can expect teasing, abuse, stereotypes and obstacles from the first minute he lets his feelings be known until he retires - or is driven out - of teaching.

Abuse allegations and discipline problems with spoiled, poorly fed, poorly socialized children are special problems for male teachers. And last but not least, and to give credit where it is due, men in general seem less apt than women to accept the prevailing cultural B.S. as a job condition. They walk away from teaching as they do from marriage, discouraged and angry, but not willing to immolate themselves on the pyre of feminism and educational foolishness.

4:14 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger kmg said...

Let's not get too over-excited here, however.

Everything said here is about schools.

Men who want to teach can still teach in college, community college, adult education like the learning annex, etc.

Teaching does not only mean teaching children.

6:18 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger kmg said...

Let's not get too over-excited here, however.

Everything said here is about schools.

Men who want to teach can still teach in college, community college, adult education like the learning annex, etc.

Teaching does not only mean teaching children.

6:18 PM, February 29, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh this is an awful comment but it actually applied to me. I graduated with am award-winning PhD in chemistry from Columbia and after three years of postdoctoral work at Harvard and had to make a career decision. Academia and research/teaching? Small schools? Big (or small) business? The main reason I decided to start my own business instead was that at Harvard, their huge groups (40+) instead of few, turned me off to "office politics" of groups and huge academic departments under the shadow of a university.

But one real reason was that since *my* days in college, the fully legal student body had been starting to dress like Madonna or Britney Spears, and they became much more flirty too. As a 30 year old entry-level professor, I'd be surrounded by nubile 21 year olds who have no inhibitions about seducing a professor or two. And yet such a perfectly legal and consensual tryst would result in my immediate expulsion and destruction of my reputation forever. And indeed, all a girl would have to do to destroy a nerdy professor is to give him a lap dance during "office hours" and fill out a form about it.

So I'll translate your statement:

"Many men once in the profession say they quit because of worries that girls who dress and act like strippers who don't study much keep showing up for office hours as a form of studying, causing at best massive sexual frustration, and at worst, infidelity and possible extortion or expulsion."

I know of many (at least five!) cases, up the street from me at Columbia, cases that neither party exposed which happened about once a year when I was there, and those were only the ones I know about, since I often dated the girls involved.

Put another way: I'm looking at myself as a new professor at a college. What are my romantic prospects since students, even graduate students are officially off limits? I'm in my sexual prime, yet I'm working my butt off to make tenure (or be fired), so have no social life. To date a female professor in the sciences is rather difficult, since there is are so few of them, and fewer still who are as cute as I am, since half of them are tomboy genius types who don't sleep, of questionable sexual orientation. Dating in the workplace is a crappy idea anyway. Being a professor and especially mere teacher no longer carries much status in the overall society either, especially if one is not at a very top school.

7:15 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger M Chamberlain said...

Interesting comments. Universities too are rapidly being "feminized". In field after field I've seen the same thing: an ambitious cohort of young female scholars arrives, plays the grateful daughter role with the senior male profs who hired them, and at some point finds an issue that allows them to demonize the male scholars of their generation. Departmental breakdown ensues, at the end of which raises, spousal hires, honors, tenure, and awards go overwhelmingly to women. The remaining dispirited men then spend their unhappy days not only silenced but obliged to pretend that male-bashing in all domains of public life is brilliant. For men, education is a fool's game: tales you lose, heads you defer to others.

8:11 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger DADvocate said...

Right on the Left Coast (he's a teacher) has an excellent post today that near perfectly illustrates the liberal, left wing crap college students must endure to be a teacher.

I'm among those who wouldn't mind teaching but DO NOT want to put up with the baloney.

9:00 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Darren said...

Thanks for the plug, DADvocate.

I'd like to add a couple points. Here in California, at least, there's no such thing as an "education major" at our universities. Granted, elementary teachers can still get a "liberal arts" degree, but most single-subject teachers get degrees in the subjects they teach. If not, there are some fairly rigorous tests to be passed. I got a math degree outside of California and *I* had to take the tests--I'll put my education and GPA up against anyone's, and I'll still tell you those tests are *not* easy.

I'll also say that I've been accused, recently, of making a student feel "uncomfortable". The rage I feel at such an accusation--and yet there's nothing I can do about it. I fear untrue rumors and more unfounded accusations are to follow.

9:25 PM, February 29, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reminds me of that airline which forbids unaccompanied children from sitting next to men. Evidently, men = opportunistic child molesters. Then again, how many of you would employ a teenage or adult male babysitter?

9:53 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Val McMurdie said...

Interno & madpro4:

You both have identified the professional environment men work in on campus. It is not only the campus being affected by "girls who dress and act like strippers who don't study much... who have no inhibitions about seducing a professor [add MD,JD,DDS, et al]"

You would find that young male MDs face the same problems; the same applies to law firms. Any well educated productive male is a target for "nubile 21 year olds" with no morals whatsoever.

I'm out of the law business for exactly the same reasons you've described. I've witnessed dozens of law firms, medical practices, dental practices, and businesses blow up and dissolve over exactly the same issues madprof4 has described.

Madprof4, your comment can be applied with little modification to the medical profession. Talk to early retired MDs about their experience. "Department breakdown ensues... dispirited men then spend their unhappy days... education is a fool's game...." Add medicine and law, among others, to your list of fool's games.

This is a society wide problem; not isolated; it is common to every professional group.

As Cham asked, "so what is the plan?" Title IX lawsuits and men's studies programs, as Helen suggested, are not going to solve the problems with female behavior.

I've withdrawn; I have a construction company; I work only with younger educated men who are also withdrawing, disconnecting; I'm married and have three adult daughters who understand what I'm doing.

Any ideas?

10:29 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger Unknown said...

I had a career in Engineering when I decided to become a teacher. I've been teaching for 14 years. Most of these comments are right on. Except for the comment about "not deep sixing educations courses." I've never met a good teacher that felt that education courses were anything more than a racket.

11:29 PM, February 29, 2008  
Blogger blake said...

I used to hang out with pre-school classes and I can't agree with kmg that it's okay because men can still teach adults.

It's not the same. Quite obviously.

And what I've found is that people often tend to have "knacks": They can teach and relate to one age group far better than they can with another.

So everybody suffers.

It's going to take more than legal actions, however. We've been trained to distrust men around small children, and that has to be reversed. Otherwise, a man would be a sucker to put himself in the path of the life-wrecking accusation of child molestation.

3:20 AM, March 01, 2008  
Blogger Mercurior said...

Memphis Steve, its not just an american phenomena, its happening in the uk, in austrailia.

Val, the only way to survive as a male today, is to back away. a lot of the time you cant deal with women, so i dont. i keep myself to myself, and not put myself in any risk. and thats going anywhere near any children, the risk is too great.

one college teacher i knew, he had violent porn put into his locker by another teacher, he was sacked, everyone knew he was innocent. but the no smoke without fire rule applied. he left teaching altogether he never got another job teaching. is that fair.. definatly not. but thats why a lot of men dont go to teaching.

6:15 AM, March 01, 2008  
Blogger Spinner said...

This is a scenario all through employment nowadays. you only have to look in Schools, Offices and shops to see the percentage of male/female workers.

I speak from experience within a Government Department - there were no male clerical officers at all within the extensive offices within a whole County with the exception of a few young men working in the Head Office, which unless you lived close by was practically impossible to get to.

The same scenario is appearing in schools now, males are in an untenable possible as teachers because of the Politically Correct nut-cases who brand all males who happen to touch children no matter how innocently as "paedophiles". If a child falls down in a playground woe betide the male that went to help pick it up.

Do people not realise there is such a thing as female paedophiles.

I had the misfortune to have to deal with them when they were caught and believe me they are more sick making and repulsive than anyone else.

11:46 AM, March 01, 2008  
Blogger Val McMurdie said...

Mercurior, men are adapting to the behavior patterns of women; the fanaticism of anti-white male feminized institutions, like K-12 education, but they respond differently depending on their age, education, and specific locale.

Fanatik's comment is typical of graduates 30+- years old (see troblog's comment and interno's); males 30-50 in professions like education are typically coping, and are silent; professional men with doctoral degrees 50+ I would guestimate 20% are truly angry (see madprof4's comment and mine).

Among most young HS educated males, gamers/Maxim readers, society has created a witches brew of unmotivated, detached, Friday night gangbangers, who are uninterested in marriage, and who have a very low opinion of women, "Hos, Cougars, MLKs, etc." (Read Maxim)

There is a significant minority of academic women, Dr. Helen among them who, and women of all ages, married and single, who are preceptive, listening, and desire change. Agreements with women are vital.

Accurate analysis of the gender related problems in education, and society, is essential. Educated men classically form groups that will not act until difficulties are quantified precisely. If the analysis is illogical, incomplete, or inaccurate, men simply will not act collectively.

Male leaders are now at the discussion level. Next is analysis.

"Let the lawsuits begin" might be an appropriate start. But men collectively do not react this way historically.

I say feminized society has become oppressive, destroying our homes, our livelihoods, our children, and ourselves. Let the conversation begin. Let us apply "common sense" as Tom Paine would say. Let us "have a conversation" as John Adams said.

2:33 PM, March 01, 2008  
Blogger Mister-M said...

Mercs Mum wrote: "Do people not realise there is such a thing as female paedophiles.

I had the misfortune to have to deal with them when they were caught and believe me they are more sick making and repulsive than anyone else."

[sarcasm on]Cut off your tongue for saying such a thing! Women are incapable of sexually assaulting young girls and boys![sarcasm off]

The dramatic disparity in prison sentences between men and women who commit the same crime in this (or any) arena are disgusting.

Look and compare any "teacher has sex with..." story - men go to prison, women get probation.

Further, mainstream media differences in reporting are very often gender-friendly for women.

When it's man-on-child, you'll see words and phrases like: sexual assault, rape, statuatory rape, predator... etc.

When it's woman-on-child, you'll see: "had a sexual relationship" - "had inappropriate contact" - "engaged in sexual intercourse" - and other rather friendly commentary.

Worse still, women's actions are almost always excused with mental illness, there was consent, and all-too-often it was something perpetrated upon her by a man some time ago that caused her to do this now.

It's always a man's fault... even when a woman does it.

2:50 PM, March 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Worse still, women's actions are almost always excused with mental illness, there was consent, and all-too-often it was something perpetrated upon her by a man some time ago that caused her to do this now."


If you look carefully, you'll also notice that men are generally described in terms of a person acting, a more agent, someone with will.

Women, on the other hand, are sometimes / usually described in terms of people to whom something is happening: "She found herself in the back seat of the car with the 14-year-old boy ...", "Her pants came off ..."

It's all just sort of magic. The woman is a passive being and all this stuff just happens to her. She didn't do anything bad.

3:28 PM, March 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've also seen this stuff among a number of women killers:

"And then the gun went off ..."

"The gun went off and the man died ..."

She didn't KILL the man, he just died. She didn't actively SHOOT the gun, it just "went off".

It was even more bizarre in Elizabeth Broderick's case (look THAT one up to see a real sweatie-pie): She almost acted as if she was a victim of the loud noise. The gun just kind of "went off" several times, and the loud noise frightened her. That's perfectly understandable if she's just a passive being put into a situation with a loud noise.

3:32 PM, March 01, 2008  
Blogger M Chamberlain said...

Nicely put, Val, but me over 50? I'm not that interesting yet.

I agree that lawsuits or collective action won't work. This will end when accomplished women demand it. I can't count the number of times I've witnessed talented and fair-minded women bite their tongues when the ideologues lay out their demands on committees. It's mostly hard to see how they could do otherwise, given both the consequences and the reality that people at the top of their fields have better things to do.

3:39 PM, March 01, 2008  
Blogger 1charlie2 said...

Well. setting aside the deep bias that exists against male teachers, I have to take exception to one sort of comment here.

Education courses certainly have their place.

Sgt. Ted: As a former military instructor myself, I realize that I was quickly trained to hammer home important, specific education to folks who were already adults, generally highly motivated, and either self-disciplined or cognizant of the external discipline being forced upon them. Ever try to teach in a civilian college (let alone a nursery) ? You may be a swell teacher, but the environments are vastly different, and the skills are not very interchangeable.

Later, I also taught firearms, first-aid courses and CPR to civilians, police, and police instructors. Again, adult, motivated folk who wanted to be there. And who, by and large, used the same thought processes as I do.

I received many compliments, and was sought after.

Then I taught computer courses at the community college level. Wow, what a difference (and CC studenrts are generally better motivated than the University students I met).

And all of this in no way prepares me for teaching elementary children who, quite literally, do not think the same way I do. Nor does it qualify me to teach (except perhaps by modeling proper behavior) teenagers, who do not think exactly like I do, or exactly like elementary students for that matter.

Now, do I think it should take several years to teach subject-matter-experts how to teach children ? That depends.

If all you want to do is to teach pre-schoolers, then no, it does not. A class in Dev Psych with an emphasis on birth to 7 years, another class in behaviorism, one or two others, some valium, and you'll be set. For preschoolers.

But don't try to apply the methods to teens.

I do believe that much of Ed schools is a racket. And PC. But I do not think that SME's are automatically qualified to teach anything other than motivated adults.

3:52 PM, March 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, nothing runs without that Dev Psych.

Don't take yourself too seriously 1charlie2.

Teachers who are able to teach teens are teachers who have learned it from experience. Education students who are full of their theory classes are not able to do much (not based on their theory classes anyway). You are attaching too much importance to something that is not all that important.

It would be a plus for education and therefore for kids if the bullshit was dispensed with. But that's not going to happen.

4:10 PM, March 01, 2008  
Blogger Helen said...


"I agree that lawsuits or collective action won't work, This will end when accomplished women demand it."

Nonsense, you succeed all your power to women? Why? Why should they change? You'll be waiting a long time is this is the strategy you think will work in changing how male teachers are treated. People will not change unless they are given an incentive or scared into it. Think it doesn't work? Sue for hostile work environment and see how fast people move--report back here about your experience and let us know if it fell on deaf ears.

5:00 PM, March 01, 2008  
Blogger Unknown said...

I think Madprof4 and Helen both have very important points here. I think it is critical that sane women speak up. The social and legal power of misandry is very strong right now and men who speak out will probably be derided or ignored by many people. See the two books Spreading Misandry and Legalizing Misandry by Paul Nathanson and Katherine K. Young, Feminist Jurisprudence by Michael Weiss and Cathy Young and (, and Heterophobia by Daphne Patai for how this works out. For that reason, it is important for sane women to speak out. Their voices are very important because in the PC world the opinion of the "oppressors" is wrong/abusive/irrelevant by definition and therefore does not even need to be heard. On the other hand, it is my impression that the PC usually respond only to serious pain. That means lawsuits. FIRE's work in academia is an example of this. If I recall correctly, the LA chapter of NCFM has had some success with this. They are led by a lawyer named Marc Angelucci.


7:36 PM, March 01, 2008  
Blogger Unknown said...

Dr. Helen said: "The ACLU filing suit for sexism against men? Uhh, doubtful."

No kidding. The ACLU is NOT interested in civil liberties per se. I was a member until the mid 1980's when I finally realized that the ACLU is just another special interest group. That is, they support specific rights for specific favored groups. Of course they have to come out in favor of Nazi's right to march in Skokie or wherever, just to keep up their street cred, but equal rights for all people is a joke. They have no such interest.


7:47 PM, March 01, 2008  
Blogger ricpic said...

The teacher unions have to be busted. And that ain't gonna happen. No hope in the public sector. Only home schooling and private schools (and the private schools are being more and more infected with PC) hold any hope.

7:44 AM, March 02, 2008  
Blogger ricpic said...

ACLU's a commie front org.

7:46 AM, March 02, 2008  
Blogger David Foster said...

1Charlie2...but for thousands of years, societies have taught their children without benefit of education schools. Hunting societies taught kids how to hunt, farming societies taught kids how to farm, warrior societies taught kids how to fight. Most parents teach their kids a lot, and quite a few of them teach them reading and math.

Communicating with young kids takes patience, and empathy, but it's not an esoteric skill.

10:55 AM, March 02, 2008  
Blogger Mark said...

"Expect the downward trend of males in teaching to continue, for just like the marriage strike, most smart men will be hesitant to enter an institution where being male puts them at risk of being charged with abuse, having their livelihood taken from them with little or no due process, and being taken from the children that they love."

Well said, Dr. Helen. Well said.

7:14 PM, March 02, 2008  
Blogger Sloan said...

I am a chemist by profession, working at a major disease research center. But mine was a double degree in biology and chemistry, and I have a second job as a teacher of biology to home schooled students. I'm in my fourth year of teaching this course; currently I have a class of 18 and we are having a great time.

All this has gotten me to thinking seriously about retiring early and teaching biology or chemistry as a second career. I have dreams of teaching somewhere where I would also be allowed to offer martial arts classes after school, maybe as part of the sports program.

When it comes to objections to this plan, the article could not be more correct about the very things that have given me pause...not the perception of teaching as "women's work" so much as the other two, and ESPECIALLY the potential for child abuse accusations.

Another objection is that I resent being made to go back to school to take a bunch of education courses which I really don't think are going to help me much in becoming a better teacher. It's a waste of my time and money.

11:54 PM, March 02, 2008  
Blogger Ed said...

Helen, if y hou haven't already got a book in the works on the subject of the gender wars, then you should be writing one. Your last several PJM columns and many of your blog posts on the subject have generated a firestorm of comments, so it is obviously a popular topic. As a title, may I suggest "Declaring A Truce" subtitle "in the battle of the sexes".

1:48 AM, March 03, 2008  
Blogger Ed said...

Helen, if y hou haven't already got a book in the works on the subject of the gender wars, then you should be writing one. Your last several PJM columns and many of your blog posts on the subject have generated a firestorm of comments, so it is obviously a popular topic. As a title, may I suggest "Declaring A Truce" subtitle "in the battle of the sexes".

1:49 AM, March 03, 2008  
Blogger Helen said...


A book on why Atlas is shrugging is something I have thought about writing. The problem is, blog books often don't do well--probably because people can read what you have to say for free on your blog and don't want to purchase a book. Writing a book is hard work. It took me three years to write my first one and I am not sure I would do it again! But it is a good idea and the topic is very important.

7:11 AM, March 03, 2008  
Blogger Daniel said...

I would be curious to see a comparison of states/districts with better performance vrs those with more male teachers.

I mean no slight to the female teachers, but lets face it, there are boys and girls in the schools and only having female role models cannot be the greatest for the boys.

I guess we have come a long way from the time of the paedagogy

8:04 AM, March 03, 2008  
Blogger Alex said...

Thank you:

Mom from 4:14 PM, February 29, 2008
and Dr. Helen

for speaking up for men's rights.

3:34 PM, March 03, 2008  
Blogger Serket said...

I think in pre-school through sixth grade I only had one male teacher. Unfortunately he was not very good at handling discipline and often had a female teacher come to his help. In Junior High and High School I had male teachers, I don't remember the exact ratio, but most of them were in athletics, math, science or history. I will admit that one time in 7th grade I told the office that I felt uncomforable with a male teacher. Whenever he came to your desk to help you with a problem he would rub your back. It made me feel really uncomfortable. Now he might have been a really decent, moral and possibly married guy, but it just didn't seem right. I think that was the only teacher I ever had, male or female, that constantly made physical contact with the students.

Nicholas - I congratulate you on being confident enough in your beliefs and teaching skills to keep pursuing your goal. I wonder if the Fire organization ( could do something to shine a spotlight on that diversity class.

I realize this post is mostly primary school, but I was listening to a radio host say that universities have lots of money and are non-profit organizations. I wonder if we changed them to for-profit organizations if that would improve the environment. It would increase competition and the socialist professors would no longer be supported by a socialist protected entity.

Recently I watched the British movie About a Boy. There is a 12-year-old boy who becomes attached to this single man and he visits him frequently. At first the guy is annoyed by the kid but decides to let him into his apartment. A while later the boy tells his mother about the man and she gets upset. She finds him at a restaurant while he is on a date and starts insinuating things about him, and his date and the waitress get mad at him. A few minutes pass and the mother decides it is a good thing for the boy. Anyway I just thought it was interesting how they just assume he is a pervert and then the mom decides she wants the boy to hang out with man some more. I also read Matilda recently and I was thinking that every child needs a teacher like Miss Honey. Anyways, in the book Roald Dahl mentions what he would do and say to snotty children and their ignorant parents and while I was reading I was imagining that a teacher would probably be fired for giving an honest assessment of a student.

I have an uncle who is an elementary teacher and he is a Republican. I've never asked him about the environment. He works in Utah so hopefully it is better here.

6:15 PM, March 03, 2008  
Blogger Mercurior said...

but serket,that film (about a boy) is totally divorced from reality. today, that man would be arrested, put on the child sex offenders register.

and thats the whole point men are blamed if they do nothing they must be upto something like the mother was and the waitress, and that could ruin that mans life

3:39 PM, March 04, 2008  
Blogger Raventress said...

If men would stop molesting children we wouldn't be so suspicious of men who want to spend time with strangers children.

10:13 AM, March 06, 2008  
Blogger blake said...

Fortunately, women aren't held to that standard raventress, or the schools would be devoid of adults.

(Or maybe that's not fortunate.)

5:44 PM, March 06, 2008  
Blogger David Michael said...

Dr. Helen,

Yesterday my principal told me she was not going to recommend me to the board to renew my contract. I failed to get some comments in on time to her to proofread before they were sent out to parents.

From the moment I entered the building two years ago, a female teacher who wanted my job has been trying to get me fired. The woman principal believes her over me and does not give me drew process. The female teacher gives her side of the story, however, I only give my side when I find out that this teacher complained.

Out of 80 teachers, there are only two male teachers, a male assistant principal, and a male aid.

I definitely have more empathy for women who work in a "man's world."

10:19 PM, March 08, 2008  
Blogger Helen said...

David Michael,

"I definitely have more empathy for women who work in a "man's world."

I am sorry to hear about your situation. Unfortunately, you may have empathy for women who work in a "man's world" but no one has any help or empathy for a man who works in a "woman's world."

5:12 PM, March 09, 2008  
Blogger David Michael said...

Thank you Dr. Helen!

9:37 PM, March 09, 2008  
Blogger Mercurior said...

but ravetress, what about these stories about female teachers molesting young boys and girls.

are they innocent, or is it only men?

11:52 AM, March 11, 2008  
Blogger Unknown said...

In approximately 1994, my son was a junior in public high school in northern US. He decided to take a summer class at the local community college. He did, and decided he wasn't going back to high school. He was going to the community college. He said every class in High School was pure feminism, and had nothing to do with the listed subject item.

Legally, he wasn't supposed to do this, in case y'all don't know.

I remember his words. "You can shoot me or kill me. The police can shoot me or kill me. But, you can't make me go back to Washington High school." Note that WHS was the upscale HS in our city, the part where the rich folks live.

I was horrified. So, I called his sister, The School Teacher in Southern Texas, for advice.

I also remember her words: "If you have to choose between him going to Washington High School or staying home watching TV, let him stay home. He might learn something watching TV."

I discussed with a friend at work the possibility he would be booted out. He thought, and said, "Academics are politically correct. He is a minority (his mom is Mexican) and if they note he isn't supposed to be there, they will tell someone to give him the boot, and that person will say, 'No, you do it.' No one will touch him."

I finally told him it was his neck, if they threw him out I was not going to help him fight it. He took more than a full load, and the following fall when his high school classmates were finished HS, he was ready to transfer to the State University as a Junior.

At one point, he was told by a community college faculty member, that he had been nominated for Student of the Year, but when they realized his status, they withdrew his nomination.

And back at high school, at an Awards Ceremony, they announced he had won High School Student of the Year, when he wasn't even in High School.

He got his GED to satisfy the State U., and then got his bachelor's in microbiology. He had serious employment problems. He would work as a temp, and after proving his value and applying for the opening, HR would kick him out and give the job to a white woman. (Let me emphasize this. A highly qualified minority male brazenly discriminated against so the most affluent and privileged non-minority class in the US could have priority.)

Finally, he left the state. He is just starting his fourth year in med school and will probably be a surgeon.

He jokes he would like to perform hemorrhoid surgery on the HR man-haters who always booted him for lesser qualified women, with his special Black and Decker surgical kit. Heh, heh.

My kids all did well because I taught them at home, no brag, just fact, and I can tell you, I did not use modern educational methods.

My daughter the teacher agrees that kids learn it at home, or they probably don't learn it.

In my opinion, if you are a caring parent who wants the best education money can buy, you will home school.

3:57 PM, July 08, 2008  
Blogger M. said...

I am a male teacher in an elementary setting having taught 7th and 8th grades for 10 years. During the last 5 years of teaching these grades I was accused of sexually inappropriate behaviour with girls. The first incident involved 6 girls who collaborated against me because they skipped a test and I reported them. They got back at me by making up allegations. I was told, as I walked into school, the next day that I was to go straight home - no reason was given. I was forced off work, to use up my sick days for four months till the investigation was complete. Then allowed to come back the last two days of school. This was in a small town and people I knew would cross the street I was walking on when they saw me coming. I was guilty and never had a chance to prove my innocence. Because of this incident false allegations were continued against me for the next five years by friend and relatives of the original six students. The Board and Union always said it's better to do nothing and [they always presumed there was a chance I was guilty - even though the original six girls had made written statements admitting to having made up the entire incident]. During these five years I was ordered to take two "anger management course", and given "disciplinary letters" by my union - all because I expressed frustration to my Principal with the lack of Board and Union action. My Principal (a woman) even said, "Come on M......, everybody as a teacher looks and thinks about their students in this way..." I vehemently disagreed, but I was ignored. Ultimately the stress led to 3 suicide attempts and phsyciatrict care.

I am still teaching. I have a family and wife to support and I am the main bread winner. I have no choice but to teach until I drop dead from the daily stress of never knowing when or where the next attack will come from. I have never had any closure from anything or anyone and each day I think I'm better off dead than living through this hell. But, I am a white male - and I am guilty automatically as being a female abuser, as well as being guilty for all that is wrong in the world.

I have even had girls 12 - 14 years of age say to me, "oh ya, we just do this for the fun of it to see how long the teachers can take it. " [Great fun killing your teachers and destroying their familes.]

I am still working and taking PhD studies in Education to try and help myself. After seeing and hearing some of he political correctness I am wondering if I made the right decision. In most classes I am a visible minority - in other words I am the only white male in the class. What has happened while the world blinked? My two boys are growing up being taught as two girls in public school. I am in favour of inclusiveness, but not reverse discrimination and misplaced anger from modern perspectives and judgements regarding the actions of generations of people long dead.

desperate for closure


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