Saturday, September 22, 2007

Sex and the Blind Date: A Case Of Intolerance of Ambiguity

Do you ever read some of the social science studies and wonder, "how the heck would these "findings" hold up in real life---you know outside of the researcher's narrow world of college students and college campuses?" I was wondering about this issue as I caught part of the show Blind Date yesterday. If you have never watched this show, it has host Roger Lodge narrating a couple's date as they meet, go out and then discuss their impressions of the person they were fixed up with. Clips of the date are shown and snarky "Therapist Joe" has pop-up commentary throughout the date as to what the people are supposedly thinking and/or feeling as they go through the (usually) awkward moments of gettting to know each other.

On the show I saw, a pretty 25-year-old woman--didn't catch her name--is going out with 22-year old "rocker" Uzi (I only remembered his name because it was so unusual) who is covered in tattoos and has long hair. The young woman is very much into goth, music and superficiality. She hangs on Uzi's every word, not because she is interested in him as a person, but because she likes musicians. When Uzi asks what kind of man she is looking for, she states, "someone who has long hair, plays in a band, and wears cool combat boots, like you." Uzi quickly picks up on the woman's lack of interest in a "real" relationship and concludes that the woman is just trying to get him into the sack which leaves him feeling that she is not listening to him as a person but rather, sees him as a representation of what she is looking for--a cool rocker guy who she can play groupie with. Uzi is not interested.

Okay, so now you have the set-up for a real-life ambiguous situation--Uzi looks the part of a wild rocker who likes to party and screw but he is not into groupies and is looking for someone who is interested in a traditional relationship such as marriage and family--in other words, there is a contradiction between the way he looks and what he thinks and feels about sex, relationships and love. Studies coming out of psychology imply that liberals have a "flexibility" in their thinking and a tolerance for ambiguity while conservatives are rigid in their thinking and intolerant of ambiguity. What the heck is meant in these studies by "tolerance of ambiguity?" Well, according to Wikipedia (take it with a grain of salt, it's Wikipedia but this definition looks sound):

Ambiguity tolerance is the ability to perceive ambiguities (contradictory issues which may be difficult to understand) in social and cultural behaviors as well as information with equivocal (several) meanings in a neutral and open way.


Intolerance of Ambiguity is described as

a tendency to perceive or interpret information marked by vague, incomplete, fragmented, multiple, probable, unstructured, uncertain, inconsistent, contrary, contradictory, or unclear meanings as actual or potential sources of psychological discomfort or threat.


So here is Uzi, a contradiction in terms who looks one way and thinks and acts another-so one would now expect Therapist Joe--who from reading his commentary and the tilt of the show, one would expect to be a liberal--to be able to resolve the contradiction and show some flexibility of thought, right? Wrong. You would think that someone tolerant would say, "good for him that he dislikes superficiality or that he wants someone to like him for himself, etc." Therapist Joe's way of handling Uzi's contradiction? Make fun of him for being a (gasp!) Republican! Uzi has never said he was a Republican or conservative, yet Therapist Joe pops up snarky comments about Uzi's lack of interest in having sex with the goth chick by stating that he "must be a Republican" and then showing Uzi driving down the road with a characterature of a Donald Rumsfeld look-a-like with a scary leer taking his place at the wheel.

Talk about intolerance of ambiguity, lack of openness and a lack of flexibility in thought, Therapist Joe has it in spades. For all he knows, Uzi is apolitical and is just a sweet guy. Perhaps Therapist Joe is psychologically threatened that Uzi is looking for a committment and a person who actually likes him--he should just be looking for cheap sex, shouldn't he--afterall, he looks the part of a liberal rocker? Therapist Joe quickly resolves the conflict by pointing out that Uzi must be a conservative or he is just looking for an excuse to bash Republicans in general. Either way, I hardly see evidence of tolerance of ambiguity here.

Look, I know the elections are coming up in a year and the liberal media wants to get started early bashing Republicans in any way they can, but this seemed to be a bit of a stretch. What will we see next, people being stereotyped on Jeopardy as rigid homophobic Republicans if they answer "who is the current President?" to the question, "Bush." Start watching for this type of "tolerance" for others' points of view in the liberal media as the election gets closer; my guess is that as their psychological discomfort grows and the threat of the Democrats losing becomes a possibility, much of the "tolerant" MSM will throw tolerance of ambiguity right out the window. Their worldview will be as rigid as the one that they portray conservatives to be: inflexible, intolerant, closed to new experiences and fearful that the whole country might not believe as they do. As goes Blind Date, so goes This Week? I think you can count on it.

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Blogger Mary said...

Can you please explain what you're getting at here? I seem to be missing what is homophobic or innacurate about this:

What will we see next, people being stereotyped on Jeopardy as rigid homophobic Republicans if they answer "who is the current President?" to the question, "Bush."

Am it supposed to be some kind of play on female or lesbian pubic hair -- "bush"es? I think you might need to spell something out, because your point is not quite clear here.

11:30 AM, September 22, 2007  
Blogger Derek said...

As far as who is more able to tolerate ambiguity, I prefer the following observation...

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." (attributed to Aristotle)

The ability to tolerate ambiguity isn't about political ideology. It's about how much one is willing to exercise that "muscle" between the ears.

Admittedly, many of the conservatives I've met don't tolerate ambiguity very well. But, at the same time, many of the people I've known with the "Minds are like parachutes" bumper stickers seem to have lost the rip cord.

12:34 PM, September 22, 2007  
Blogger Adrian said...

It is ironic that liberals are cast as "tolerant of ambiguity". Moral subjectivism (which I am using as a general term here so that it would include such things as cultural/ethical relativism, for instance, and just relativism in general as a form of subjectivism) is very often -- probably half the time if not more -- based on an intolerance for philosophical vagueness. Basically, because one cannot, in principle, classify "once and for all" all actions as moral or immoral, then morality must be subjective. In other words, since it's not a (formal) science, then they (usually liberals) reject it as a classic example of people imposing their personal preferences on everyone else. (Conservatives, on the other hand, will usually at the very least have some religious basis for accepting a common sense/conventional moral world view rather than, perhaps "diplomatically", rejecting all moral statements since morality is not a "science".)

2:35 PM, September 22, 2007  
Blogger Adrian said...

Doh! So that philosophical vagueness contains a certain kind of superficial ambiguity which is what is being rejected so out of hand that those rejecting it refuse to even give it a second thought. That was my point -- they are the antithesis of "capable of handling ambiguity".

2:38 PM, September 22, 2007  
Blogger eponymous said...

Casey was just a doll.
Therapist Joe is just a disembodied TV writer seeking gags.

Newt was correct in not drawing conclusions based on Casey's behavior.

Are you really drawing conclusions based on Joe's speech balloons?

5:28 PM, September 22, 2007  
Blogger Mary said...

Perhaps you need to raise your tv viewing standards a bit?

Give you something a little more ... heavy to put in this category, "Labels: Things I Think About"

Still trying to figure out that "B/bush" crack tho... :)

6:06 PM, September 22, 2007  
Blogger blake said...

Characterature?

Caricature?

Unless you're looking to get agitated, you pretty much have to disregard the various socio-political messages in pop culture. Unless your mind is so open you agree with everything you see.

And though your prediction is doubtless correct--attacks on Republican/conservative/right-ist targets will increase as the election grows closer--this isn't likely an example of that.

After all, "Blind Date" was canceled last year, before the mid-terms. And it could've been a re-run from Clinton administration!

That said, the idea that a man should have sex with any woman who offers is fairly pervasive. Mickey Spillane was notable for disagreeing (through his Mike Hammer) character back in the '40s!

6:45 PM, September 22, 2007  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

adrian --
(Conservatives, on the other hand, will usually at the very least have some religious basis for accepting a common sense/conventional moral world view rather than, perhaps "diplomatically", rejecting all moral statements since morality is not a "science".)

Conservative atheist.

On the other hand, back when I was a long-hair, I was one of those karping on the pig and baby-killer shouters and such. I had police and soldier friends and despised that unthinking labeling and called them on it. Still do. After all, I don't want it pointed at me.

7:25 PM, September 22, 2007  
Blogger br549 said...

And what's wrong with being intolerant of ambiguity?

12:24 AM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger jw said...

I like talking on 'net forums. While some conservatives are quite rigid in their thinking: Far more liberals are rigid, rigid as steel, in their thinking.

Try getting to a liberal to be sympathetic to men's problems! Any attempt to get sympathy or kindness for mere males is openly seen as bigotry.

4:16 AM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger rightwingprof said...

"a tendency to perceive or interpret information marked by vague, incomplete, fragmented, multiple, probable, unstructured, uncertain, inconsistent, contrary, contradictory, or unclear meanings as actual or potential sources of psychological discomfort or threat."

Isn't that the definition of liberalism? It would describe at least 90% of the faculty I know.

7:54 AM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Helen said...

br549,

"what's wrong with being intolerant of ambiguity?"

Nothing in particular but the interpretation by liberal researchers is always negative--if you aren't tolerant of ambiguity, you are somehow, dumb, rigid and inflexible. Liberals like to point out how "open to new ideas they are" but this seems silly, given the only new ideas they seem to be open to are Holocaust deniers and Iranian presidents--although I did just see that Columbia withdrew an invitation to the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Maybe there's hope.


http://www.nysun.com/article/40142

8:19 AM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Helen said...

Oops--that report about the retraction of the invitation to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad turns out to probably be false, so forget I said anything about there being hope.

9:28 AM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Mary said...

Liberals like to point out how "open to new ideas they are" but this seems silly, given the only new ideas they seem to be open to are Holocaust deniers and Iranian presidents--although I did just see that Columbia withdrew an invitation to the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Maybe there's hope.

No, Helen, you're definitely on the wrong track and more liberal-thinkers are correct in refusing to allow people like you to determine what can be read and heard.

What if we had just burned Mein Kampf instead of reading it? It seems to me that conservatives like yourself have so little confidence in thinking people that you don't understand the concept of reading and rejecting.

You are giving the man extra power in thinking that people will all hear and be converted, rather than listening and rejecting, but walking away educated to the threat anyway.

Maybe Glenn could pass you a few First Amendment legal books, and you'd better understand the concepts. Protecting us from hearing things that are evil is quite the slippery slope: who decides? Do you really think ignorance is better than listening, debating, and rejecting?

Your fear of "liberals" and other non-lockstep Americans has led you to fear that they will all be convinced and thus cannot listen to other viewpoints. If you can't read or listen yourself, don't go but don't make that call for others.

Be careful what you wish for. I for one think it is good to distribute the Mein Kampf's and to listen to what the leader of other countries have to say. I'm perfectly confident of my capacity not to be "brainwashed" though -- that I can listen and reject and don't need others doing the filtering for me.

Thank god you're not a lawyer, just a therapist, and your opinion holds little weight here. Yours is the more dangerous position in the long run, and the reason our FIrst Amendment is so valuable in its protections for American citizens.

9:32 AM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Mary said...

Oops--that report about the retraction of the invitation to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad turns out to probably be false, so forget I said anything about there being hope.

Whew! I didn't think Columbia was that much an intellectual coward.

9:33 AM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Mary said...

so forget I said anything about there being hope.

If his message is as abhorrent as you say, then the hope is that reasonable people will listen and reject and walk away educated to the true dangers of this man.

Get it? Have some faith in your country and her longstanding ideals when the pressure is on and the hard times come.

If we so quickly abandon the reasons behind our concepts of free speech (ie/marketplace of ideas where faulty goods just don't "sell"), then the terrorist truly have won -- with your help.

9:37 AM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Heather said...

By Mary's logic, Columbia should invite David Duke to speak. I'm glad she's so open minded.

11:15 AM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Dan Patterson said...

Just as one should not judge a book only by it's cover, it is not necessary to read an entire work to evaluate it's worth. Not only do we fear what we don't know, we often are terrified of what we do know, and that is the point of my disagreement with the major media outlets and with much of what comes from academia. Much of our world is predictable in a broad sense: If you jump off the roof of your house, you will very likely break an ankle. It is NOT very likely that, instead of falling at a predictably increasing velocity toward an unyeilding surface, you will fly. It is NOT very likely that this experience in roof jumping will differ from previous experiences. There is no rational reason to pursue roof jumping on the chance that something has changed since your ankle last healed. None. Don't argue the point, don't "yeah, but" it to death, and don't expect sympathy nor a private grant to study the intolerant value system stemming from a shame-based insecurity of gravity-induced hyper-extensions.

Someone wrote in the comments: "If his message is as abhorrent as you say, then the hope is that reasonable people will listen and reject and walk away educated to the true dangers of this man".

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. Question mark.

It does require some investigation to determine whether a point of view, or a personality, is worth further investigation. That initial investigation can come in the form of instinct or a brief overview of events. It does not require a close examination of the nuanced ravings of a murderous tyrant to have a clear understanding of his danger to everyone else. Distribute copies of Mein Kampf? What the f*** for? To debate the merits of human extermination? Oh. I see. "Every point of view has value".

No it effing doesn't. Some points of view are stupid and dangerous. Other points of view are abhorent and revolting. And you know that without listening to a speech.

Why do you think your 'lizard brain' causes you to be afraid of heights, or pee all over yourself when you see a harmless garter snake in the grass? Protection. The same reason people don't even want to listen to a fool's ravings. Some in the audience might think it a pretty snake, and take it home as a pet.

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel

11:59 AM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Helen said...

Mary,

When Larry Summers, the minutemen, the US military recruiters etc. are allowed to speak at our so-called open-minded universities, maybe we'll have something to talk about. Until then, all the talk about first amendment rights among liberals is nothing but a pile of crap. Free speech to these academics seems to mean nothing more than opening up the floor to anyone of the Anti-American pursuasion who wishes to talk.

12:00 PM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Mary said...

Two wrongs don't make a right, Helen.

I no more trust you to decide who is too evil for us to hear than I do the liberals.

It's interesting to see how quickly you adopt those tactics though when they presumably would benefit your "side" rather than free discourse.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

12:58 PM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Mary said...

. Distribute copies of Mein Kampf? What the f*** for?

Those who read it in time were given forewarning of Hilter's plans.

That we didn't act on what he wrote, when it was written is the real tragedy.

1:00 PM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Mary said...

Why do you think your 'lizard brain' causes you to be afraid of heights, or pee all over yourself when you see a harmless garter snake in the grass? Protection. The same reason people don't even want to listen to a fool's ravings.

Dan--
You speak for yourself apparently.

Not all of us today piss our pants when we see a harmless garter snake. For good reason.

Thanks for sharing your opinion, though crudely put, and letting us each evaluate its worth.

1:02 PM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger br549 said...

You have a mote in each eye, mary. But we've been there. I won't try to change your mind, it is a waste of both out time. I will ignore your posts from now on, and I invite you to ignore mine. Outside of some weird pleasure you get from coming here, I don't see you getting anywhere, as far as changing people's minds about much. You are very civil, though. Which is why you probably come here. Liberal sites I've seen are not civil at all. You have a good vocabulary, and some legal training, but you are still a liberal.

I am not a liberal (duh) and do not venture to liberal sites. I did at one time, in an effort to understand, but they are hate filled and overflowing with superior attitude. One is shouted down long before one is allowed to speak their mind, if it opposes a liberal view point. I still think it is self hate with a generous addition of projection added.

4:44 PM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Cham said...

Oh boy Helen, the sun was shining this weekend, temps up in the 80s, wind blowing 5 mpg. Why O why were you inside watching a show so pathetic as "Blind Date"? You should have known better and turned the TV off, there were so many better things to do than try to disembowel the meaning behind anything so useless. And then you talk about "ambiguity tolerance", I knew my little noggin was not going to try to digest that term. Then you try to tie in something about liberal ideals and the MSM. No, no, no. You are thinking way way too hard.

But I will make a comment about guys like Uzi. About 10 years ago Jerry Springer had a young man on his show that weighed over 500 pounds. The man was severely distraught because, and I quote him directly, "The pretty girls don't see what a great guy I am."

Uzi should learn what his image projects.

6:33 PM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

cham --

Reread the summary. Uzi didn't have the problem, he was the one doing the brush off, not the gal. There are goth chicks out there who want long term relationships and kids. That's who he's looking for, not some shallow little noggin.

If you don't think goths, punkers, etc exist who want those things, you are probably working on stereotypes yourself.

8:28 PM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger Cham said...

I'm a firm believer in stereotypes, what you see is what you get. If you don't wish to be perceived as something then I suggest you change your look. Uzi has his work cut out for him, finding that one goth chick that wants a house in the burbs and a bunch of little tykes is going to involve a needle search in that haystack of life.

10:00 PM, September 23, 2007  
Blogger blake said...

Mary,

They'll be cheering for Mahmoud. All he'll have to say is "Bush is the devil".

5:51 AM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

cham --

If you don't wish to be perceived as something then I suggest you change your look.

Because, of course, you get to define what's acceptable visually.

You're a bigot. That's what fuels bigotry you know, stereotypes. Hell, it shows in your response. Uzi doesn't necessarily want the house in the burbs, that's your presumption of correct living.

Lots of alternate society folk are married with kids.

Gal (32) I know is tatted, a celtic ring on the thigh, flower belt, dragonfly on the back. This Jan, she'll get her masters in edu admin. Her husband is a concert trained guitarist/lead for rock and manages a restaurant. A young (29) male acquaintence is tatted out the wazoo, runs a landscaping firm and has a masters scuba license, is married to a lovely punker gal. First gal with two kids, guy and wife planning theirs. Oh, both he and wife have hair that is green, blue, pink, depends on day. Another man (30) is even more heavily tatted because that's his profession and he is internationally known and respected for it.

Only idiots judge people by looks. You know, like skin color. And yes, I have a retort for the standard response to that.

7:10 AM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger Matthew said...

Judging people based on their looks is fine. We only have a limited amount of time in the day. Isn't that why people spend so much time on their appearance anyway? If it didn't matter how you looked, people would all dress similarly.

8:41 AM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger Earnest Iconoclast said...

Ahmadinejad's "message" is out there for all to read anytime they like. His appearance at Columbia is not going to be a reasoned debate on his views, it's going to be a propaganda show. He's not going to try to argue persuasively that the US is the great Satan and shoudl be destroyed or that the Jews should be pushed into the sea and the Holocaust didn't really happen. He's going to lie and make vague statements and try to turn the questions around.

A university like Columbia shouldn't need to have Ahmadinejad come and speak to know what he's about and should know better than to think that they are going to actually accomplish anything by having him there. My understanding is that he doesn't come across as a nutjob when he's speaking to American audiences.

I have an open mind, but that doesn't mean that I waste my time listening to anyone and everyone... I have a finite lifespan and lots of things I have to do. I'd rather listen to someone who has something of value to say than a known evil man like Ahmadinejad.

On the other hand, I'd be more than happy to meet with him in a dark alley and a few friends...

EI

1:04 PM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger br549 said...

Now wait just a darned minute! You folks know full well that liberals FIGHT prejudice. Why, they think from the highest platitudes of any air breathing mammals (save whales and dolphins, who are smarter than people). And rightly so. Even Hitler would have something enlightening to say were he still alive (and had not deserted his followers via suicide) and should be allowed a platform here in the states to speak his version of truth, if he so elected. And they would not tolerate Hitler being shouted down from within the protective and embracing halls of Columbia or other places of enlightened thinking.

If only they gave the same respect and freedom of speech to their fellow countrymen of a different political viewpoint. Worse, they don't seem to even see that. Or they truly fear it, so must keep it muzzled. So screw 'em, to be blunt.

1:18 PM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

matthew --

Judging whether you want to hang out with them, fine. Judging them as to their human worth? Got's a problem with that and I think people who do it got's a problem period.

2:47 PM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger Bugs said...

o - I've heard any number of "alternative" overgrown children whining about "normal" people judging them by their looks. I always wonder why, if they believe that you shouldn't judge people by their looks, they obviously expend great amounts of time, effort, and money trying to look a certain way.

It's also interesting that the looks they choose are almost guaranteed to attract the kind of negative reactions from others that they claim to abhor. How can you not judge them when, by their appearance, they are practically screaming to be judged? This makes me think that part of their motivation is a secret desire to be punished. It could also be that they enjoy having a victim's feeling of moral superiority over those insensitive, un-creative "normal" people who make fun of them.

Whatever their reasons, it's obvious that people who take so much trouble over their looks do NOT really believe you shouldn't judge others by their appearance. To them, in fact, appearance is a critical part of who you are. As someone above has said, "what you see is what you get."

3:54 PM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

bugs --

Speaking as someone who knows and hangs with the above mentioned; no, they actually further give a rat's ass.

I'm sure there are those, perhaps even a majority, who think as you believe they do. That in no way vindicates applying said broad brush to everyone in a class.


"what you see is what you get."

Think 40's and 50's and see of that sounds so intelligent.

5:36 PM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger br549 said...

"The clothes make the man." How many times has one heard that? And the statement does NOT mean men only. So who is pulling whose leg? Everyone judges others by the way they look. And every new experience one has, finds his own mind automatically searching for a like instance in memory, to compare it with.

Someone who admits "sizing someone up" openly, is much more honest than one who states we should not judge one by the way they look, and that they, of course, would never DO such a thing. BS. If people were not judgmental by first look, we would all be smiling, waving, even hi-fiving those we pass on the sidewalk instead of most people looking away, dropping their heads, scurrying away, etc. People's first reaction to others is fear. And depending on how they look, that fear can be pretty heavy.

And of course, after the clothes make the man on the "first impression", it becomes up to the man to live up to, or make, the clothes, eh? I have always preferred the second attempt from someone trying to make a good first impression.

5:43 PM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger serket said...

I have seen Blind Date before and I liked it. This UZI reminds me of someone's Myspace page I went to once. He looked like a punk, but he was very conservative. Personally, my dress, actions and politics mesh together. I think Sociology is fascinating, but I realize it is a soft science. I took a college class and in the textbook it claimed that 10% of people have same-sex attraction. Apparently this was based on a very poorly done study by Kinsey and the actual number is more like 2% or 3%.

Heather: By Mary's logic, Columbia should invite David Duke to speak. I'm glad she's so open minded.

The school's President said he would have invited Hitler. I think what Mary misses is that a lot of students at elite liberal schools are too open minded and they'll blindly accept what this guy says. Plus most of them already have an irrational hatred of our President.

Mary,
Could the President of Iran convince you of any of these four things: The Holocaust never happened or was greatly exaggerated, Israel is an evil nation that deserves to be wiped out, Iran is NOT supplying terrorists in Iraq and the WTC attacks were an inside job by our President? What's ironic about the second point is that progressives usually don't believe in evil. I think the only reason the left likes him so much is because he is a terrorist loving, jew hater. I have no idea how to disprove this, because I was thinking get someone from the far right, but this guy is. I thought progressives hated religious fanatics, but apparently they only hate religious moderates.

In 2005, the Faculty Senate at Columbia voted on whether to allow to ROTC to return since it was banned in 1969. 84% of faculty voters rejected it.

6:07 PM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger Oligonicella said...

br549 --

"Someone who admits "sizing someone up" openly, is much more honest than one who states we should not judge one by the way they look,..."

cham, meet br549. You may think that way, but don't project it onto me or others and I further give a crap if you believe me. I have personal experience with geeks, goths, punks, etc. I know for a fact they are not what cham thinks. Hence, I don't prejudge by apperance.

"People's first reaction to others is fear. And depending on how they look, that fear can be pretty heavy."

Holy shit, that's sad and it's taught, not natural.

It's also not at all the way I think, so your use of the absolute is incorrect. Some people's would be correct.

10:55 PM, September 24, 2007  
Blogger Bugs said...

o - I understand your personal experience and I don't want to start an argument. Maybe it's just part of a desire to understand peoples' motivations in general.

My question is: If geeks, freaks, punks, etc., don't give a rat's ass, then why are they so obsessive about the way they decorate themselves? And if they don't like being judged by their appearance, why do they go out of their way to provoke judgement? Nobody really does things just for the hell of it.

12:53 PM, September 25, 2007  
Blogger silvermine said...

Er... actually, I was pretty sure they were making fun of the bimbo groupie girl.

Of course, I miss half of what Therapist Joe says because I always have the closed captioning on.

6:29 PM, September 25, 2007  
Blogger br549 said...

I like and respect your point of view, olig, to a degree.

I have kids. Some of their friends have enough metal stuck in their bodies in various places they could by a decent dinner with its scrap value. Many people have tattoos. Not my cup of tea, even one that says "Mom".

In my youth, my hair was down to my belt, and I played guitar in rock bands. I've been fired from jobs because of the way I looked when someone above the person who hired me walked in and asked who the hell hired that hippie? I never got hired for many more jobs, because of the same thing. To a degree, perhaps I took some arrows that are no longer allowed to be released from the bow.

But yeah, it is more honest to say what you mean, and mean what you say - than it is to hide behind some banner or cliche. I did not say it was right. But it happens all the time, every day. You know that, come off it. One can be sincere, and be sincerely wrong.

I am not projecting anything. Perhaps that is but your perception.

But then, if you but only saw me, you would know how great a person I truly am. Unfortunately, through this printed media, you are only made aware of what I think, and what I say. You have no idea who I truly am, because you do not know what I look like, or how I dress.

6:48 AM, September 26, 2007  
Blogger br549 said...

Oh, by the way, if you wish to quote me(and I can't imagine why), use the whole sentence. Not just a portion of it to support your point of view of the moment. That's not "honest" either.

You may wish to beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

6:57 AM, September 26, 2007  
Blogger Bugs said...

br - how many tats you got? I don't have any, but I do have this cool scar where I mutilated myself with a boomerang in a very intimate part of my anatomy. It's a tribal thing.

12:28 PM, September 26, 2007  
Blogger br549 said...

Bugs, just one. I'm purple!

9:12 PM, September 26, 2007  
Blogger deluk said...

can you put more sex I mean sex viedos?

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