Thursday, February 01, 2007

Woman Charged in Double Murder Case

Another person has been charged in the double murder case of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom:

KNOXVILLE (WATE) -- The woman who told police she witnessed events surrounding the double murder of a young Knoxville couple is now charged in connection to the crimes.

Vanessa Lynn Coleman was arrested in Lebanon, Kentucky Wednesday night. She's charged with aggravated rape and may face other charges as well.

Coleman was arrested on a warrant as a fugitive from justice in another state. She's being held in the Marion County, Kentucky Detention Facility without bond.


Aggravated rape and other charges? I thought women didn't rape.

42 Comments:

Blogger Kim du Toit said...

"I thought women didn't rape."

They do, often, but usually lawyers are involved, as a threesome.

Not that I'm cynical or anything.

3:42 PM, February 01, 2007  
Anonymous TMink said...

Oh my goodness, that was funny! I don't often get to laugh when the word rape is involved, but that one made me laugh hard.

Trey

3:56 PM, February 01, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Somehow I knew this news would just fill you with glee, Helen. Another example of how eeeeeevil women are! Oh happy day!

3:59 PM, February 01, 2007  
Anonymous TMink said...

Obviously an irate, anonymous feminist. Cool, two eeeeeevil women for just one post! Helen, you are getting to be quite effecient!

Trey

8:03 PM, February 01, 2007  
Blogger DRJ said...

In a Duke lacrosse-type story, some women prefer to fabricate rape claims.

10:13 PM, February 01, 2007  
Blogger J. Peden said...

"Somehow I knew this news would just fill you with glee, Helen."

No, it just threatens your empty self.

12:43 AM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The misogyny Helen displays here is no different than what the FemiNazis spew.

By all means, stand up for mens' rights. but for the love of god, you do not have to trample on women to do so!

I see you have posted again with great glee about the evil Mary Winkler, who murdered her saintful (yet abusive) husband.

You become less relevant with each and every bash on women you make, Helen. And you had such a great chance to make a different. You blew it. You are no different than the Feminazi haters.

1:00 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Jim said...

Oh, of course the murder victim was "abusive", his lying murderer said so. After the fact. She didn't seem to mind all that abuse while he was feeding, housing and clothing the whore, did she?

You really could stand to grow up, Anon 1:00. You don't seem that holding men's murderers accountable is fundametanl to standing up for men's rights. You don't seem to understand that debunking sentimental myths about frail, innocent little women is fundamental to standing up for men's rights. Grow up.

1:07 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't need to grow up "Jim" I am just pointing out the fact that it is not necessary to bash women in order to stand up for men's rights. Feminists made it a point to exemplify every single misdeed any man made as an indication that men are capable of being evil. Now that is what Helen has been doing, but to women instead. It is not necessary and detracts from what (I hope) she is really saying.

Now when Helen's site is mentioned, people think not of men's rights, but misogyny.

I hope that Helen can take this as constructive criticism, because I truly believe that she has a great opportunity to do a lot of good for men's rights, but not if it tainted with misogyny.

1:21 PM, February 02, 2007  
Blogger pst314 said...

Constructive criticism? If that's really what you intend then you might want to choose your language a little more carefully.

And how is it misogyny to point out news that refutes the radical feminist view of women as morally superior beings?

1:40 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Bill said...

If a woman helps a man rape another woman she can be convicted of rape, same as the getaway driver can be convicted of armed robbery even though he never entered the liquor store.

1:43 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Tigger said...

Now when Helen's site is mentioned, people think not of men's rights, but misogyny.

I always love it when people substitute their own beliefs for the thoughts of the population at large. "well that's what I think so everyone else must as well"

It would be kind of funny if it weren't so sad.

Helens pointing out a blatant double standard here. Don't be so bitter about it unless you feel that poor poor mary is the REAL victim here and not the guy she shot to death.

But hey what do I know.

Call a spade a spade. If you weren't so intent on defending the poor little lamb who's been out drinking and having a laugh at her dead husbands expense people might be more inclined to take your asinine rantings more seriously.

Just a thought you know.

1:51 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tigger ... you obviously don't know much. Where did I defend Mary Winkler?

There have been many comments over the months, here and on other blogs, that this site is sliding into being nothing more than a reversed gender version of Feministing and other similar sites.

I had hoped that this could be remedied. I guess not. Helen and her little band of followers are just bent on being haters. Just like the Feminazis ...

2:19 PM, February 02, 2007  
Blogger Helen said...

Anonymous 2:19:

Thank you for your concern, however, why are you so bothered by other sites badmouthing this one? Who cares? It is just part of doing business on the internet. I don't go to the sites and get overly bothered by the criticism. Why should you? Please stay calm and do not fret so much. If what is said here bothers you, go elsewhere--there are 55 million blogs out there, some of them have to be good!

2:27 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Dr. Will said...

Anon 2:19

If you think that poking fun at often repeated feminist mantras that "women only kill in self-defence", "women don't commit domestic violence", "women never lie about rape", etc, etc, is misogynist, then I don't think you understand the meaning of the word misogyny. Or perhaps you use one of the feminist definitions (such as: any criticism of feminist doctrine at any time for any reason is misogyny). You need to either grow up or develop the sort of thick skin that men have needed over the past 30 years. Better yet, go read Patai, or Hoff Sommers, or Katherine K. Young, or Cathy Young, or Donna Lafromboise, or Patricia Pearson, or any of the other sane critics of misandrist feminism.

Criticism of feminist dogma, or pointing out counter-examples, or making fun of it have NOTHING TO DO WITH MISOGYNY. Stop trying to twist it into misogyny. That may work in your women's studies or humanities class or down at your local NOW chapter but not here.

3:06 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dr. will:

I'm a different anonymous. And you're right--criticism of feminist dogma does not in and of itself constitute misogyny.

But cherrypicking examples to cast women in a negative light and focusing only on those stories certainly does tend to reflect misogyny. Just as cherrypicking examples and stories of misbehavior by males and focusing on the gender (male) of the perpetrator would.

3:31 PM, February 02, 2007  
Blogger Mercurior said...

women can rape men, or rape women,


Rape is the act of making someone partake involuntarily in sexual acts through violence, force, threat of injury, other duress, or where the victim is unable to decline due to the effects of drugs or alcohol. It is generally considered one of the most serious sex crimes.

even if its a man who is subject to it, its still rape. it is also rape when men are forced into a sexual act by women or other men

so if a man is around and he doesnt want sex and u jump on him and a natural thing happens, then thats not rape.. so male rapes, arent even rapes..

the mary winkler thing, she according to that article boasted about killing her husband before the trial, her attitude isnt one of a abused woman, she is out partying..

its unfairness, just for one moment anon 1.00 try to imagine if it was a man who said what winkler said, and acted how she acted.. you would be so outraged. but its ok for a woman to do it.

3:34 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Better yet, go read Patai, or Hoff Sommers, or Katherine K. Young, or Cathy Young, or Donna Lafromboise, or Patricia Pearson, or any of the other sane critics of misandrist feminism.

As opposed to this site? Good idea!

Helen .. honestly, I really do admire much of your work, and agree with you on most things. That's why I am just so disappointed with the way you have chosen to defend men's rights. I mentioned the other sites to make you aware that I am not alone, that it is being noticed by others too.

Why can't men's rights be defended without being hateful to women? Why can we not be equal AND celebrate our differences? Why can you not empower one person without degrading someone else?

Where does it stop? When Doc Helen becomes a card-carrying member of NAMBLA?

3:37 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no idea where some of you get that I am defending Mary Winkler. That was a marriage made in hell. The both of them are pieces of crap. I pity their children and the rest of their families that have to live with the shame.

3:40 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Dr. Will said...

Anon 3:37

How does making fun of feminist dogma constitute misogyny?

All Dr. Helen said was "I thought women didn't rape". "Women don't rape", "women don't lie about being raped", "women don't perpetrate violent crimes", "women don't commit domestic violence", etc, etc is the sort of thing feminists have said for years. They have built much law and/or practice based on those assumptions, to the extent that in domestic, family, and sexual areas men are often assumed guilty of everything that happens.

Every time I have seen anyone, whether man or woman, poke holes or make fun of feminist doctrine, they are labeled misogynists or "pod feminists" or traitors or whatever. Many years ago when Wendy McElroy hosted a discussion board at iFeminists.com this same thing happened. It happened ot Hoff Sommers when she published Who Stole Feminism. It happened to Daphne Patai when she published Proffessing Feminism and Heterophobia. Anything but the most lukewarm and heavily-caveated criticism of feminist doctrine always brings out the cries of misogyny.

A friend of mine who was a full-time feminist activist for many years began to read some well thought out criticisms of feminism about 5 years ago, to see why the things she thought were so good and true were being criticized. She read Farrell's Myth of Male Power and several others, I forget which. She said it was a real shock. As she got further into this reading she ended up spending several years re-thinking her entire belief system and career. Eventually she changed careers. She said it was extremely difficult and even painful to realize the much of her philosophy of life was one-sided if not false.

Having grown up in a very feminist family myself, surrounded for decades by a very narrow belief system, I found that I deeply believed a lot of things. I still hold a few of those core beliefs, but after 25 years away from home I now know that many of the things I learned as FACT are objectively false, contradicted by an immense body of data. As a scientist I prefer evidence to supposition. I chose to change my belief system to match what objective reality said, rather than the other way around.

As more and more people are are challenging feminist doctrine I think this will become more common. Certainly I have seen immence changes in the discussion over the past 25 years.

Dr. Will

4:06 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Jim said...

"Why can't men's rights be defended without being hateful to women? Why can we not be equal AND celebrate our differences? Why can you not empower one person without degrading someone else? "

Anon, now you are talking like a real feminist. Good. We can all agree with that position.

So you are not the problem. That doesn't mean that no problem exists. The ideology Dr. will outlines is WRITTEN INTO LAW. It is called VAWA, and a hundred other laws. It is apporaching the same level of discrimination as the Jim Crow laws, and so many women just "don't get it". The level of denial among women is as bad as with clueless white people 60 years ago. And the common response among women is to disaparge men as whiners and committiphobes for not being willing to subordinate themselves to some woman's demands for how they should behave.

If you find the comparison far-fetched, consider this parallel - the hype about domestic abuse of women, which has no basis in fact, resembles very closely the hype about rape by black men of Southern women that justified lynch mobs in the past, all the while that most violence was directed aginst the very black men being accused, as is the case these days with men as a class being accused.

This is what I menat by the need to grow up. Perhaps that was harsh or argumentative, but I choise to give you the benfit of the doubt and talk to you like an adult rather than some frail damsel whose feelings have to be tip-toed around. Adults just chuckle when tey are told to grow up.

7:03 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Half the fun of reading these comments is trying to figure out which of the anonymous and pseudonymous comments come from Greg Kuperberg.

Maybe even this one!

9:28 PM, February 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't understand something: How can you give 20 counts of felony murder and 16 counts of rape for raping and killing 2 people?

How do white people manage to do this?

6:01 PM, February 04, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cloeman deserves eveything she gets, I beleiev she par took in the rape of Channon, and Chris, this is not a woman its a animal. Its not about is any body caple of it, its ya animals do rape male or female

4:22 PM, February 05, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NOT SOMETHING TO JOKE ABOUT. The poor victim and her boyfriend were both raped by these sick animals. (He was also burned, shot, and dumped on railroad tracks. She was left in the kitchen trash can in 5 separate trash bags. Some of you may know the details, but I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and hope you don't, since you're laughing about it.) Vanessa Coleman told investigators she was at the house while Christian was being held there, and she said she witnessed Christian's mouth being cleaned with a bottle of some type of cleaner, supposedly to kill any DNA evidence. She deserves just as much punishment as they do for not helping that poor girl!

4:03 PM, February 08, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After the obligatory trial and subsequent conviction, the State should put these sub-human beings on the fastest possible track to the lethal injection table. Don't let them waste tax dollars sitting in prison for 15 years, administer the justice swiftly and harshly. For an act this heinous, there is no such thing as a punishment too cruel or unusual.

2:26 PM, May 23, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

QUOTE:
Anonymous said...
"I can't understand something: How can you give 20 counts of felony murder and 16 counts of rape for raping and killing 2 people?

How do white people manage to do this?"


The more appropriate question, since you've decided to introduce race into the issue, is how can black people manage to do such an atrocious, vile, animalistic act?

I simply cannot fathom one human being doing such things to another human being, regardless of their differences!! As I said previously; NO punishment could be too cruel or too unusual for these low-life sub-human creatures, and I say that completely without regard to the color of the hell-bound criminals skin.

2:51 PM, May 23, 2007  
Anonymous Moonbat hater said...

You finished last in your class right? Are you an idiot? A woman raping another woman or man happens allof the time. What closed little suburban community do you live in.

Oh and yes, it was totally race related.

11:59 AM, May 25, 2007  
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