Tuesday, February 28, 2006

Menace in Europe Podcast


We are talking today to journalist,Claire Berlinski, whose new book, Menace in Europe : Why the Continent's Crisis Is America's, Too, comes out today. Claire is back in the States from Istanbul to promote her new book and she took the time to talk with us about radical Islamists in Europe, the problems with assimilation, the psychological trauma facing Europe, and the possible need for a national therapist in France! I would sign up but I don't think I am up to that job. Perhaps Shrinkwrapped, Dr. Sanity, Neo-neocon, or Shrinkette would qualify.

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As always, comments and suggestions are welcome.

31 Comments:

Blogger Charlie (Colorado) said...

Uh, cheesecake photos of Claire Berlinski?

8:25 PM, February 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great interview.

Also, I second Charle's suggestion.

9:01 PM, February 28, 2006  
Anonymous Reese said...

I just want to thank you guys not only for doing these interviews as "free ice cream" but also for making them practical for dialup users.

9:21 PM, February 28, 2006  
Anonymous John Davies said...

I think this was the best so far. It was more conversational than questions and answers. Also, much better than an interview with her that I saw on TV (O'Reilly, maybe)

9:54 PM, February 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent! I've got a few books to buy now 8^)

11:25 PM, February 28, 2006  
Blogger Stephen M. St. Onge said...

        Excellent podcast, it should have been longer. I hope you interview Berlinski again.

        Concerning Europe's political collapse in the face of Islamofascism, I suggest it's because they have no alternative ideology. Socialism was discredited by the blood shed in its name, the divine right of kings is gone, 19th century liberalism was rejected, and they're scared of saying they rule by naked force. What held European states together after WWII was inertia. Now the Muslims are taking it apart.

Me, I don't think they can recover.

4:04 AM, March 01, 2006  
Blogger Stephen M. St. Onge said...

        OOPS!  For more on socialism and its origins in totalitarian democracy, see

The Origins of Totalitarian Democracy, Political Messianism: The Romantic Phase, and
The Myth of the Nation and Vision of Revolution: Ideological Polarization in the Twentieth Century, all by Jacob Leib Talmon.

4:09 AM, March 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I realize that Glenn has been plugging Berlinski's book, I'm disappointed neither of you challenged her on any of her points. I guess you agree too much with her to be interviewing her. It was like a giant infomercial. I normally really like Instapundit.

11:53 AM, March 01, 2006  
Anonymous Gaurav said...

As an American of Indian origin, who lived in central Europe for nearly 14 years, I can sadly only confirm Ms. Berlinski's analysis. From the interview, I think she has done an excellent job of portraying the grave European malaise and I look forward to reading her book. The one thing I really understood about Europe after a decade and a half of total immersion was how something unfathomable like WWII could take place, and why it could very easily happen again.

It is very interesting that a most honest and unfettered perspective on national crises can only be provided from a foreigner's view. However, as much as nations love to tell one another what the other should be doing, they hate being told from abroad what is wrong with them. Nations, while behaving like individuals, never trust one another enough to seek advice and ask each other how to improve themselves. Nation coaching is needed more than nation building. While the U.S. is no angel in this regard, I can confirm from my own experience that there is no place with a more secure future than the U.S.A., thanks to many sound fundamental economic and legal values incorporated in the American model.

Some other aspects of European society not mentioned in the interview worth reflection include:

Regionalism - You will rarely find anyone in Europe who has internalized their identity as a European. In fact Europeans, deep inside, still struggle with national identities--their historical identity lies in their region, with their dialect, that defines their own people. Not only does this affect commerce, but on an emotional level, Europeans do not connect with each other, because such localized identities create internal barriers to accepting others. Then imagine what the reaction is like for foreigners with a different skin color.

Ethnic Hegemony - although largely mythological, Europe is entangled in the idea that a single ethnic group should dominate a specific region, and feel that the history of their continent vindicates this point of view. This explains why the E.U., as an aggregate of European power, was ultimately unable to intervene (and will not be able to in the future) in the Balkan war in former Yugoslavia. Ethnic cleansing can start happening in Europe within weeks, nearly anywhere.

Historical Perspectives -- As the debate about the role of certain neutral countries in the Holocaust and in collaboration with the Nazis shows, although Europe is subconciously traumatized by WWII, the present generation has totally erased the war experience from their memory. WWII is not discussed and is redacted out in the minds of the entire continent, otherwise, there would be no way to continue to live together peacefully. The backside of this is that there is no intellectual barrier in place in Europe to prevent another terrible menace from demogaugery and ethnic violence.

Sorry for the long post. I can provide more personal perspectives on request.

11:54 AM, March 01, 2006  
Blogger Helen said...

Anonymous 11:53:

Why don't you start your own podcast and ask Ms. Berlinski to join you so you can air your disagreements with her. Then please email me so I can critique it on your blog. I look forward to hearing from you.

Gaurav:

Thanks for your thoughts.

1:42 PM, March 01, 2006  
Anonymous Nick (South Africa) said...

It was a particularly compelling PodCast. As a European…a 45 yr old Englishman as it happens, born in India, lived in Sri Lanka Singapore and now South Africa as well as a fair bit all over Blighty (the UK), I certainly didn't find myself agreeing with everything Ms Berlinski said; but I did agree with much of it, and she provided some useful insights that were fresh to me. It was great that she was given space to say her piece, to develop trains of thought without being tangented, this is all too rare in interviews.

On the European war trauma thing; I think the French are more traumatised than any other European state after the carnage of WW1, their collaboration with the Axis powers in WW2 (well its stronger than collaboration- many French formations fought on the Axis side in Europe, North Africa, Madagascar and in Indonchina), their defeat at the hands of the Viet Mhinn in Vietnam and their defeat in Algeria. This I posit has knocked the French psyche more than any other European state; much more than the Poles who suffered proportionally more in WW2 than any nation, including the Soviets. Indeed I've heard it argued quite convincingly that the French psyche has never recovered from the carnage of Verdun.

I think Ms Berlinski is very right in that the European ‘super state’ is a no-no; despite the best wishes of the pan European elite. The model will be much more a British inclined trading block than a Franco-Germanic headed ‘United States of Europe’, more European states are starting to see things the British way. She’s also right that the American template for the assimilation of immigrants is far, far better for all than that of the Europeans; including the British. A little critique, she stuck a little too closely to my mind to her European remit, to me that was a bit artificial; that’s not quite how the World works. She didn’t touch on the ascendancy of Australia; very much an Anglosphere nation with absolutely everything is in its favour – currently only 20 million people but the size of the continental US (Australia is 32 times the size of the UK), nor on the massive influence as an Anglosphere nation that the land of my birth – India is going to have as a huge US strategic partner…..I could go on.

Back to Europe; there is the demographic issue and the all too apparent tendency of appeasement and submission to Islamification (hell Islam means submission). I’m really not sure how this will pan out myself. The French again are in the front line here having proportionally more unassimilated Muslims than any other European state; pro rata more than twice as many as the UK. So its simple to watch them to see what’s coming down the tubes, it doesn’t look good.

I do think there is much wishful thinking and much denial going on, in the US, Europe and indeed elsewhere. There are some more tough calls to be made, it will be interesting to see which, if any of the European nations taxonomy identifies them as vertebrates!

Nick (South Africa)

2:51 PM, March 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Europeans and Americans have a different mindset. The American model wouldn't work in Europe.

Yes, Europeans would do well to assimilate immigrants better. When I lived there, the Europeans I knew were quite openly xenophobic towards immigrants (so not as taboo as she says) and hysterically anti-American as Berlinski notes.

If 90% of Spain was against invading Iraq in the first place, how can electing Zapatero be appeasing terrorists? Surely, not electing the leader you want to spite the terrorists is letting the terrorists win. That is also erroneously linking Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

4:51 PM, March 01, 2006  
Blogger Greg Kuperberg said...

Anonymous: While I realize that Glenn has been plugging Berlinski's book, I'm disappointed neither of you challenged her on any of her points.

It's exactly the sort of studied negativism that Instapundit accuses the mainstream media of having. The point is not to constructively criticize Europe, it's to bury it for not liking American Republican policies. Although, as is often the case with studied negativism, there are elements of truth to it.

The truth is that Iraq, which is 97% Muslim, is a far greater threat to the United States than problems in the European Union, which is 3% or so Muslim. For that matter, if it so bad that many European Muslims aren't assimilated, then the United States should take another look at how it treats illegal Hispanic immigrants. They aren't going away because they are integral to the American economy, but their illegal status is a great barrier to assimilation.

6:48 PM, March 01, 2006  
Blogger Greg Kuperberg said...

Okay, maybe it's a bit more than 3%. According to this page, the European Union has 23 million Muslims, which is 5%.

On the other hand, 97% for Iraq may also be an underestimate. Most of the other 3% is Christian, and they may all leave or convert, or get killed, as the country slides toward theocracy.

6:55 PM, March 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or should we say, greg dislikes the podcast cuz, it did not say what he wants to hear. And that he is upset becasue Glenn and Dr Helen havent come round to advocate Greg's ideas, Right,am I, Greg K?

8:38 PM, March 01, 2006  
Blogger Greg Kuperberg said...

"Menace in Iraq: Why That Country's Crisis is America's Crisis Too" would simply have been a much more perceptive title for Claire Berlinski's book.

This picture is worth a thousand words on this point. The top of the picture is the menace: Moktada al-Sadr. The bottom of the picture is Washington's good intentions — an American-donated squad car — and why it is America's crisis too. Washington is not even fighting this sworn enemy of America; they are handing him the keys to a kingdom.

9:58 PM, March 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Brit I must say that Claire Berlinski is amazingly accurate in her podcast. And I am amazed that, as an American, she has such a good grasp of the European situation.

With regard to why so many Europeans "hate America", one main reason that she did not mention is the hatred towards ***men*** that continually emanates from American feminists; e.g.

http://www.angryharry.com/ esSpottheChildAbuser.htm

(Apologies for some of the language.)

I ***REALLY*** enjoyed your podcast.

Thank you.

AH

10:24 PM, March 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ooops. This is the correct URL.

http://www.angryharry.com/esSpottheChildAbuser.htm

10:26 PM, March 01, 2006  
Blogger Kactuz said...

Europe has gone to bed with the devil and now must pay the price. It just may be too high

The biggest problem with Islam is not assimulation or intergration - it is of truth, or the lack thereof. Muslims cannot be honest about the hate and anger in the Quran or about the many vile deeds done by Mohammed and his men as recorded in Islams most reliable sources. Not only that, they insist that we be dishonest also, violating our principles to save their feelings. As Muslim numbers increase, and they proclaim their right to silence all criticisms of Islam and Muslim practices, our basic freedoms are beginning to crumble.

We must fight to save our liberties, especially the freedom of conscience and speech. The ability to criticize Islam and Muslims (or anybody else) for what they say and do is part of the freedoms we hold dear, and for anybody (the media, government, speech codes, PC educators, etc.) to write this off as racism, hate speech, vilification or prejudice is to deny our right to express ourselves. If the facts are true, why the effort to silence those who speak out against the vile ideology of Islam? Take away the liberty of expression and you have nothing (as is the case in so many Islamic countries).

To get along with Muslims and “respect” them, you must also be dishonest about these things. You must ignore the hate and anger in their writings and you must ignore the many vile acts and often vulgar life of Mohammed. To get along with Muslims you must be willing to apply different (inferior) standards to their speech and conduct; and pretend that their faith, laws, customs and practices (particularly in Muslim dominated countries) are admirable and deserving of respect. You must be willing to make excuses and accept generalized, gross violations of human rights as minor aberrations by a few insignificant individuals. You must be willing to accept words and actions that, if practiced by individuals of western culture, would be resoundingly condemned in a minute. This is a form of cultural racism in a way - a bigotry of low expectations and double standards if you wish. Obviously the Muslims are not the only ones that have a problem with truth.

Most of the troubles with Muslims can be traced directly to the Quran and Islam’s great prophet. Words like “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam” (Koran8:39) and “Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” (Koran 48:29) leave little room for doubt. Islamic terrorists are simply following the precepts of their prophet. They are practicing their understanding of Islam. Even if hate is not open and declared, it exists in the contempt and dislike for Western culture and its people. Take the recent events in Europe, Canada and Australia, for example. In these cases, even when Islam is not the cause of the bombs and riots per se, it is an enabling agent, or catalyst, that makes these events possible and gives them meaning. The teachings of Islam provide the intellectual and moral basis for the hate and alienation found in Muslims, which lead to events of intolerance and violence that are characteristic of Islam. These people may not even act in the name of Islam, but they have in their Islamic heritage the roots of their rejection of common values and their isolation from the larger society.

Islamic values are not Western values. The fact that a Muslim will both say and write PHUM/SAW after their prophet’s name and declare him to be a great example when events such as this are found in Islamic traditions:

Ibn ‘Aun reported: …The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith (Muslim Book 019, Number 4292 - also in Bukhari).

So, Islam's prophet murdered, tortured, plundered, enslaved, lied, raped and even beat his wife. Yet Muslims consider him a great moral example to follow. Figure out, if you can, what that means.

Bad things are going to happen and many innocent people will get hurt. Bad times are coming.

John Kactuz

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