Saturday, October 15, 2005

Where Have all the Men Gone?

There is a severe shortage in the US of male teachers--just 21% of teachers are male. The top three reasons men no longer go into teaching? The low pay, teaching viewed as "women's work," and fear of being charged with child abuse. Some men report not being able to get a job interview because people think there is something wrong with men who want to work with children. Thanks alot, Oprah. The male shortage is a big loss for our children--the exposure to different teaching styles is important for kids to be exposed to at an early age. What effect is the male teaching shortage having on our children? Not a good one, I'm afraid. Young men no longer want to go to college, perhaps because no male teachers equates a feeling on their part that education is not important to men. What do you think?

36 Comments:

Anonymous datarat said...

I have a nephew (in-law) who's a grade school teacher. His class liked him so much that they showed up for his wedding. I've also Caught myself thinking, upon seeing one of his new teaching ideas, that I wished that I'd had a teacher like him.

2:27 AM, October 16, 2005  
Blogger Sally said...

Yes! I'm a teacher, and I agree, we need more male teachers to serve as role models. I'd actually love to see scholarships for men going into education.

The issue with child abuse is pervasive and affects male teachers and female teachers, but more so male teachers I imagine. Something needs to change within the system to give teachers back their sense of authority (without being authoritarian) which has all been stripped from them. I worked in a school where students where able to sexually harrass me on a daily basis without so much as a squirm from administration. Yet one female student, who blatantly manipulated a sexual harrassment situation (she suspiciously wore umpteen layers of clothing on a warmish day) settled for $30,000 with the district.

5:49 PM, October 16, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

....90% of our schools are 'public' schools -- stifling government bureaucracies enmeshed in silly rules and an oppressive social culture. Their primary purpose is social-control of American children.

Passive & submissive personalities better tolerate such a work environment... while more assertive & independent personalities squirm under such daily pressure.

American 'women' generally are culturally prone to the passive/submissive role ... while American 'men' are not.

Thus, women are a much better match to the annoying bureaucratic social culture of government schools.

Real men go elsewhere.

Case closed.

10:01 AM, October 19, 2005  
Blogger USMale said...

I'm a male and I was a high school teacher for a couple of years right after college and recently I worked in middle schools while getting my psychotherapy licence. I wouldn't be a teacher no matter how much you paid me.

That being said, and I realize the rather non sequitur quality of my next comment --I just got up, haven't had my coffee-- but it is a particular shame that black males are practically non-existent in American schools, especially in the urban public schools where black kids either languish or act out. It says volumes about the social pathologies involved.

11:07 AM, October 19, 2005  
Blogger Brian said...

My father has a PhD. The value I place on education comes from his example. I do not believe that "education is not important to men."

The paucity of men in schools, particularly elementary schools, means that boys have to adjust quite a bit just to get through the day, and they have to figure that out on their own.

Not only are they asked to sit still and do things at a desk when they'd more naturally be out running around, getting dirty and exploring their world, but when the people in authority are women, well, none of them have ever been a little boy. They don't *know* what it's like from the perspective of someone who's been there. They can't draw inspiration from their own experiences.

So she's unlikely to be as effective in helping a boy adjust to the demands of the classroom. No matter how wonderful a teacher, no matter how caring and dutiful. And when there's no male authority around to balance that, it can be stifling.

That early discomfort can be difficult to shake. Once school has become a place you don't like to be, it will always be so - unless you're lucky enough to have one of those great teachers or eye-opening experiences in school later on.

It's not that men think education's not important. It's that the environment starts off uncomfortable and often remains so.

12:39 PM, October 19, 2005  
Blogger Marc J. said...

Hmm... interesting subject.

I have to say that I definatly agree with allicent. I could use a scholorship! ;)

But seriously, I am a male. I want to teach History. I want to teach in a High School. Why? Well, mostly because I love History, but also because I think teaching will be very challenging and interesting. Hopefully, I can do as good a job as my history teachers did.

(Slightly of topic, but in my expirence as a student, I can't think of a single female history teacher. I wonderr why that is?)

Oh, and here's a blog of a male middle school teacher.

To the second anonymous's comment: How will that ever change if some "real men" don't get in there and change it?

6:56 PM, October 19, 2005  
Blogger Marc J. said...

Sorry, bad link.

Fixed now.

6:58 PM, October 19, 2005  
Blogger Marc J. said...

Uh, how about now?

(D@mn "http://"!)

7:00 PM, October 19, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a male nurse I have to point out the muffling effect the 'Female social structure' has on keeping men out of 'traditionally female jobs' If you look at Nursing as an example, there are more Male nurses in the Military than in civilian life (%5 in civilian as opposed to about 30- 35% in the military) The only real difference in those two sectors is the 'Social structure' I am not sure how to rectify this however. What I do know, as a father of four sons, is that the current culture and education viewpoint does in fact hamper the education of males. I have had aprofesional educator (A male middle school teacher of 16 years) wonder why we can teach basic concepts faster and with greater success in Boy Scouting than in school. I think the question answers itself. Strong male role models demonstration and sharing a male oriented way of seeing and issue. THAT is why we NEED men in School.-Paul Skurnick

7:42 AM, October 20, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Schools are a hostile environment for males, including male students, male teachers, and student's fathers. This is true from Kindergarden through High School, and especially in colleges and universities. Our culture in general is approaching that of the Nazis - just nix the swastikas, change concentration camps to prisons, and replace Jew with male. Its not just Oprah doing this, its feminists, Hollywood, Madison Avenue, the media, and the politicians and judges who are afraid to be politically incorrect and take a stand for equality. No matter what a woman does she is a victim, no matter what a man does he is a perpetrator. Women have rights, men have responsibilities. Its a big part of why Muslim countries don't want western culture.

9:35 AM, October 20, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I come from an abusive relationship. Of course, no one believed my wife was the abuser. Even though she has now been in prison twice (since our divorce) for assault.

However, when I called the police on her, I was arrested and charged with DV. Did you know that if you are found guilty of DV then you are no longer safe to be around kids? So much for my dream of being a male teacher in primary school.

Heck, I had to stop my volunteer work with at-risk teens because I was a possible sex offender - all because my ex-wife lied to the police and they believed her over me (despite the physical evidence). I'll probably never teach kids.

Yet another in a series of men who won't teach.

12:24 PM, October 20, 2005  
Blogger Jeff said...

I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout all the way through until I turned 18. It was one of the most positive influences on my life growing up; god knows how I would have turned out without the values and strengths that I learned in Scouting.

Needless to say, as a single adult male, I feel that I can't give back to the Boy Scouts until I have a son of my own to be involved with. I have two female friends who are active in Girl Scouting; they're not mothers and it never occurred to them not to volunteer.

4:08 PM, October 20, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Helen

Where have all the men gone? Oprah didn't want them.

5:19 PM, October 20, 2005  
Blogger Reginleif said...

Schools are a hostile environment for males, including male students, male teachers, and student's fathers.

Yeah, that must be why the social structure in high schools favors male athletes above all other students; and when teenage girls are assaulted by teenage boys, especially athletes, rumors never fail to circulate that they're "sluts."

Sounds like there are an awful lot of misogynists out there who don't like the fact that I can be more than a baby machine these days.

6:06 PM, October 20, 2005  
Blogger Helen said...

To anonymous:

No, Oprah does not want them, but to give her credit, men are not typically home watching tv so how are she and Dr. Phil supposed to make a living except by pandering to women?

6:07 PM, October 20, 2005  
Blogger Brian said...

reginleif - you're right that the most successful of the male athletes are praised, and often seem to be above the law.

But those guys make up a very (very, very) small percentage of the population of any school.

The rules are always different for the "superstars" - male and female.

We're talking here (at least, I am) about the average people. Those, perhaps, who don't care much for the football team, themselves.

2:06 PM, October 21, 2005  
Blogger Earth Girl said...

My husband, mid 40s, is getting an elem ed degree, something he would not have dreamed of doing as a young man. Maturity, life experience, his unthreatened masculinity and high GPA have administrators clamboring for him even with two years of schooling left...and the fact that they get all this for abysmal entry level wages.

Of course, "stifling government bureaucracies enmeshed in silly rules and an oppressive social culture" is a concern. He is definitely not "passive/submissive," but he has the experience and wisdom to know when to ignore it and when to fight back so that he can focus on the main thing - teaching children.

We are lucky to be a financial position that permits his mid-life change of career. More men would pursue teaching if its true societal value was reflected in the pay.

12:51 PM, October 24, 2005  
Blogger Graham Strouse said...

Actually, I'm looking to move back to Florida and try my hand at teaching English.

This is sort of a nasty trick, but I suspect that south of Mason-Dixon men will find fewer obstacles.

Hey, I helped one of my newspaper kids get a job by exploiting the fact that women tend to get preferential treatment when they hire for the newsroom. It's flipped in sports departments, of course. I did not do that much, really, except pay close attention & watch how the two local newspapers operated and aimed her at the one and not the other. She did the real work.

I was willing to exploit an industry chauvenism to assist this woman because she had a lot of talent.

But what goes around comes around. Florida's population boom in the '80s & '90s is producing a lot of kids. Many don't have a father figure around to begin with & frankly it's much easier to stave off riots in class if you're male and muscular.

And I have 5 years of Spanish, which doesn't hurt.

And the beginning salaries I've had quoted at me look very good by my standards. And for 9 months, not 12. Not bad.

And I like working with kids. It'd be nice to be able to do so in an environment where every man over 19 and under 50 is treated as if we were all likely rapists.

12:58 PM, August 17, 2006  
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, it's little miss entitlement herself. Welcome to your life.

"Sounds like there are an awful lot of misogynists out there who don't like the fact that I can be more than a baby machine these days."

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