Saturday, November 29, 2008

Boy babies die, women hardest hit

I was horrified to read at Ace of Spades about two villages of women in Papua New Guinea who have killed all male babies to keep them from waging war:

The Papua New Guinea jungle has given up one of its darkest secrets - the systematic slaughter of every male baby born in two villages to prevent future tribal clashes.

By virtually wiping out the 'male stock', tribal women hope they can avoid deadly bow-and-arrow wars between the villages in the future.

'Babies grow into men and men turn into warriors,' said Rona Luke, a village wife who is attending a special 'peace and reconciliation' meeting in the mountain village of Goroka.

I agree with the point made at Ace's place:

The report sympathetically portrays these women as desperate hut wives who, faced with tribal extinction, are forced to take extreme measures in order to survive. One wonders how sympathetic the writers of this story would be if the men of the tribe killed all of the female babies to prevent them from growing up and committing male infanticide.

I doubt they would be sympathetic at all. But the commenters to the Daily Mail article that discussed the story certainly had sympathy for these female infant killers. One has to wonder about what kind of twisted morality commenters like the following must possess to write the following:

Stop judging these people with Western ethics. The commenters here have no idea how these people live and deal with life. I've lived with New Guineans and their minds do not work in the same way as Westerners. Overall they are gentle people and things must have got pretty bad for the womenfolk to kill their own children. In their minds it was the only way to save the village. Save your disgust for the baby killers in this country who should know better.

In any conflict, it's always the women and children who suffer through no doing of their own. And when everything has been ruined, and the men killed, they have to pick up the pieces and restore everything. They must have really had enough to kill their own children like that.

How horrendous that these women so no other option but to kill there own babies to prevent heartache in the future,its a lose lose situation for them.

No sympathy at all for the male infants that died, just for the women who had to do the killing, how pathetic.



Blogger lovemelikeareptile said...

One immediately notes the virtually universal response from women to female violence directed at males-- we must "understand " ( eg, excuse it) because the woman/women are compelled to do it by the males themselves and thus the women are not responsible for their actions.

Virtually all women respond to any allegation of female on male violence as prima facie justified as in " He must have done something to MAKE her kill/mutiliate/assault him ". Hence, it is virtually impossible to get any jury composed of at least several women to convict any woman for murdering any man under virtually any circumstances. The murdered man is assumed to deserve being murdered if a woman killed him , as in the classic response to the Winkler murder " THAT HE WAS WAS AN EVIL MAN IS PROVED BY THE FACT THAT SHE KILLED HIM."

Women virtually always excuse/justify/minimize/rationalize female on male violence as justified.... because ALL women are good people ALL the time and if they APPEAR to have done something bad, something must have made them do it-- its only men who do bad things voluntarily. An endless number of rationalizatios will follow that are almost incredibly absurd empirically and morally.

One should also note that female infanticide was ( is ?) countenanced by China to curtail their population. Female infanticide was/is (?) practiced on a nation-wide scale there.

6:45 PM, November 29, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazons in real life. They will still be rival tribes, except without men. Eventually, the women will pick up bows and arrows of their own.

What do they do, keep a few around as studs?

7:15 PM, November 29, 2008  
Blogger Factory said...

So am I supposed to take the "natural love" mothers have for their sons, the "love of men", or the rational thought displayed in this article as being hopeful for the future.

I really do think most women hate men with a burning passion. And I think most women resent the fact that they're attracted to men.

Stories like this, and the apologists that support this behaviour, serve only to further convince me.

7:22 PM, November 29, 2008  
Blogger Unknown said...

"Save your disgust for the baby killers in this country who should know better."

Yes. So civilized and condescending of the poor, ignorant natives.

Wars are driven by economics, more than anything. Economics, even at the tribal level, are an equal opportunity guilt trip. Women spur war equally to men.

8:02 PM, November 29, 2008  
Blogger GawainsGhost said...

Well, I don't think most women hate men. I think most women hate that they are not men, because of some ill-formed perception of privilege falsely attributed to men.

But the vast majority of modern women are way out of whack anyway, however they got nothing on these hut wives. I wonder how the fathers of these unfortunate boys feel about the indiscriminate slaughter of their sons. One would think not too happy about it.

Perhaps they'll stop going to war with wandering tribes of wife rapists and child molesters, and instead declare war on murdering mothers. That would be a twist of fate, wouldn't it?

9:03 PM, November 29, 2008  
Blogger smitty1e said...

How many women raised in a loving traditional/god-fearing/forget-this-modern-nonsense family actually "hate men"?
I kinda doubt the number is too high.

9:16 PM, November 29, 2008  
Blogger Jennifer Stites said...

So "deadly bow and arrow wars" in which some are killed are seen as more evil than the wiping out of all the males at birth to prevent wars. There is a serious lack of logic here.
Now when village number 3 hears that there are 2 villages full of male-less females, what do they think will happen? Maybe some future heartache they didn't expect.
I think these women got some bad yams. This doesn't make sense in any cultural mindset.

9:36 PM, November 29, 2008  
Blogger DADvocate said...

The whole thing is too sick and maladaptive to fully comprehend. And the three commentors to the story are extreme sickos. The women should kill themselves to prevent the possibility of males being born.

9:48 PM, November 29, 2008  
Blogger ron st.amant said...

I can't help but judge with my Western ethic since its the only ethic I've got.

2:34 AM, November 30, 2008  
Blogger Chris Arsenault said...

Helen - I believe the point of the sympathizer you highlighted is that the New Guinean rationalization for survival of their village is morally no different than rationalization for abortion in this country.

If the basis for moral judgement against the New Guinean women is the taking of life, then how is that different than killing the pre-born who are scientifically verifiable as growing living human beings?

Many believe Western ethics are morally superior, but that's self-deception, not only on an individual basis, but nationally, and hemispherically as well. Many hide behind the circular logic of Roe, and the nonsense of Doe, including Glenn.

The New Guinean women are claiming self-defense in the same way some women I know justify abortion because they fear death from pregnancy.

Might be worthwhile to look up that Biblical Western ethic concerning splinters and eyes in Matthew 7.

My point being: make a proper and just judgement.

8:39 AM, November 30, 2008  
Blogger Chris Arsenault said...

A point I forgot to add -the consequences of wiping out their own males has basically condemned the village women and their daughters to either death or servitude under other tribes that come to dominate them.

For all practical purposes, they killed their own tribe.

9:13 AM, November 30, 2008  
Blogger uncle ken said...

The dust slowly settled in the brilliant light. Asperx-17 cursed himself for having forgotten to take his solar filters in his headlong rush to look at the bones. From low planetary orbit the pile seemed much smaller. More amazing: they were all female! This was consistent with the other excavations, digs carbon-dated back to the level of the Gender Wars of the late 21st Century. Broad pelvises, fine bones - all bleached white in hollow of the sand blow, where they lay exposed to that infernally bright sun. He called to Asperx-32 to bring his eye-plates, yelling to be heard over the twanging of the ship's exhaust pipes, still dull red with heat.

10:42 AM, November 30, 2008  
Blogger Unknown said...

why not put aside gender this and that and address the numbers of children that die needlessly in America for lack of medical access? That is strictly an economic and class issue, and it is an issue that a substantial group of voters in our nation refused to address in a serious manner.

3:02 PM, November 30, 2008  
Blogger DADvocate said...

nathan - you're addressing the wrong group of people. You need to be sending your message to NOW. But on the other hand, what is wrong with murdering innocent male babies?

3:15 PM, November 30, 2008  
Blogger lovemelikeareptile said...

uncle ken


There is no "Gender War"-- just a unilateral assualt on men and boys by women, to which men have not responded.
Its more accurate to refer to the latter half of the twentieth century and so far in to the 21st century as a " Massacre of the Males", with men not even firing a shot in their own defense, much less mounting an assault of their own to return the fire.

Women, unrestrained, will violate the civil rights of men and boys at every turn, as they have shown repeatedly, just put them in charge of anything--- even as they ignore the health care needs of men at every turn. Note the pathetic "red dress" on some products signifying concern with heart disease among women. Heart disease is much more prevalent in males, killing them at a much younger age-- but women voice concern only when it is revealed it is the No. 1 killer of women, because they out live men ( ever hear a woman concerned with addressing that disparity ? ) and thus succumb to heart failure in their 80s.

As the female Tennessee attorney got off for murdering her husband-- women can kill men with virtual impunity: if women are on the jury, no set of facts will result in a conviction for murder. Its like the Old South when a white man could kill a black man with virtual impunity , because no white-jury would convict him.

One sees the same dynamic in the 8-year old boy who murdered his father and his father's friend. He must have been abused, every female commentator announced, presumptively. His father must have deserved it. Something "drove" the poor boy to murder two men in a caculated, pre-meditated way ... sorry gals... no evidence of abuse... and the boy goes home for Thanksgiving with Mommy after the murders.. and he awaits a plea deal to be tried in juvenile court and being slapped on the wrist while two men lie a'mouldering in the grave.. that plea deal is contingent on the outcome of a "mental examination"...
Mental examination ? Hilarious-- the field of "child psychiatry " will concoct some utter bullshit that results in the boy being found incompetent because he is mentally ill... the assumption being , he must have been mentally ill to murder two people.
Nope-- just a sociopath-- and the earlier they commit acts of sociopathy, the worse sociopaths they are.

Women grant themselves the same treatment as they do children-- not responsible for criminal acts, because virtually all women see their gender as GOOD and INNOCENT-- only men are capable of evil acts. Just ask them.

Women seem incapable of any empathy other than with other females. No topic is of much interest to them unless it can be shown to affect women ( "women's issue" etc )... one noted when Alex Baldwin appeared on the intellectual womens' cat-fight program " The View" discussing Parental Alienation Syndrome, the person with him complaining of being a victim of it-- was a woman ! It had to be-- unless it can be shown to affect women, women don't care about, so a woman is found so the women will listen. If the typical male victim had come in, the women would have tuned him out, as "deserving it".

How bout them Ole Miss Rebels and Alabama this weekend !

3:20 PM, November 30, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There is no "Gender War"-- just a unilateral assualt on men and boys by women, to which men have not responded."


Absolutely right. It's not a war, it's an ever-more-obnoxious exploitation of men's ingrained chivalry, to see just how far the stupes will go to give stuff to women.

I think even the dimmest feminist is vaguely aware that if there were really an all-out "war", women wouldn't even exist.

5:33 PM, November 30, 2008  
Blogger DADvocate said...

Speaking of "unless it can be shown to affect women, women don't care about, so a woman is found so the women will listen. If the typical male victim had come in, the women would have tuned him out,"... I just came across the following at Right on the Left Coast, student association at Canadian university drops cystic fibrosis charity becuae cf primarily affectes white males.

Yep, if it's only killing white males, it's not a concern. Talk about hate.

7:25 PM, November 30, 2008  
Blogger J said...

Are we sure this is real? I'm skeptical tribal areas of PNG have that many feminist studies grads around.

7:34 PM, November 30, 2008  
Blogger lovemelikeareptile said...

There are many observations consistent with this female total absorption in their own gender/ lack of empathy for men-- a few more

---the funding disparity between breast cancer and prostate cancer is obscene, and the same obsession with female health issues when men suffer a higher rate of mortality for virutally every non-gender -specific illness-- is found in the UK.

--- Perhaps the most obvious example is " Missing White Woman Syndrome"- with the media ignoring any man who goes missing in favor of young attractive white females. The media state that they need a victim the audience can relate to, or empathize with ( see WIKIPEDIA entry )...
Great van Susteren is curently involved in a monomaniacal pursuit of Johan Van der Sloot, allegedly involved in the disappearance of missing white woman, Natalee Holloway -- 3 1/2 years after she disappeared. Greta isn't really a feminist, but she had an idiotic female attorney on her program who proclaimed van der Sloot a-- OH MY GOD-- "danger to women " !... FOX-- whose stable of female staff looks like a catalogue of past Playmates of the Month-- is funding Great's obsession with this case, so it must have an audience.

---One might also note the sexist approach of virtually every female attorney talking head-- especially the airhead misandrist Liz Wiehl, who couldn't park a bicycle straight -- who covered the Duke Rape Hoax. Every female commentator assumed the boys were guilty and defended Nifong and his "case"-- till he was marched off in leg irons... I have often hoped some MRA group would produce a tape of these legion of female commentators defending a case that any neutral person knew was absurd from the start. The " Women tell the Truth " mantra must be defended at all costs.

-- Any problem that differentially affects females demands federal intevention and affirmative action to correct the discrepancy, regardless of its cause, but anything found where boys or men are disadvantaged-- is ignored as irrelevant.

And so it goes...

9:22 PM, November 30, 2008  
Blogger lovemelikeareptile said...

As evidence of what women are capable of, the breaking story of Austin James Watkins is instructive.

The boy died on November 14,2008, having been starved to death by his grandmother and aunt-- and endured truly horrific torture during his short life. The women have denied any wrong doing-- although the child weighed 19 pounds at autopsy and was determined not to have eaten in 2 weeks. An insurance policy on the child was tacked to the wall in his room.
The women are being held without bond on murder and felony child abuse, capital murder charges may be pending.
The victim is a child, so PC defenses will be hard for the women to mount, especially since relatives and a former daycare provider witnessed/suspected abuse and starvation-- and none did anything to stop the abuse or file complaints.
The DHS is into major ass-covering as they had removed the boy and his sibs from his mother's custody and placed him with his paternal grandmother-- who doubted the boy's paternity-- within the past year.

The Jackson ( MS) Clarion Ledger is reporting on the resulting scandal of enormous proportions.

7:32 AM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger uncle ken said...

Asperx-32 sighed contentedly, wriggling his tentacles as he slid into the steaming slime bath. Chief Engineer, he was not permitted to go on field trips with the rest. Of course that also meant he could avoid the odious, painful decontamination the returning crew was now enduring.

Lazily he reached up and keyed a contact. There sat Asperx-17 with the others, being sprayed, vacuumed, injected and irradiated. Asperx-17 was excited. Something was up.

Half a nurn later, just as the Engineer was drifting blissfully into stasis, his friend arrived, plunging headfirst into the fetid tank.

"I found it" he whistled.

"Found what?" warbled Asperx-32

"All the texts claim the sudden extinction of the women must have been due to a meteor strike. But there is no iridium anywhere near the strata where the fossils end. Just millions of old aluminum beer cans and plastic tampon inserters. That's it! That's the explanation"

"What explanation?" said Asperx-32 quizically.

"The women died in an avalanche!" said Asperx-17, "There was no one left to take out the garbage!"

The Carleton University Students' Association has voted to drop a cystic fibrosis charity as the beneficiary of its annual Shinearama fundraiser, supporting a motion that argued the disease is not "inclusive" enough.

Cystic fibrosis "has been recently revealed to only affect white people, and primarily men" said the motion read Monday night to student councillors, who voted almost unanimously in favour of it.

7:37 AM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger Trust said...

If I were a member of the enemy tribe, I would celebrate than in a generation, this tribe's man-icide would make them easy pickins.

These "women" are fooling themselves if they think they've created peace. Yes, men often wage war, but such men are usually stopped by other men. In a generation, there will be no men to protect these foolish murderous women.

11:00 AM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger TMink said...

"address the numbers of children that die needlessly in America for lack of medical access?"

That is difficult to address as it does not exist. Every emergency room in every hospital sees anybody who walks in the door. Dying infants need not wait.

The reason that the US has such a poor infant mortality rate is because of the horrible mother's age of first child statistics. The hospital care is available in abundance, sadly, the stupidity to get pregnant at 12 through 18 is also there. It is the stupidity that causes these deaths.


11:17 AM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger Nunyaa said...

Lovemelikeareptile, you said...

Women virtually always excuse/justify/minimize/rationalize female on male violence as justified.... because ALL women are good people ALL the time and if they APPEAR to have done something bad, something must have made them do it-- its only men who do bad things voluntarily. An endless number of rationalizatios will follow that are almost incredibly absurd empirically and morally.

I cannot agree on a whole with the above. Am sure you would agree not ALL women are like that, as with NOT ALL men are bad either. I do agree too many women excuse bad behavior on the mere fact of being female, they want their cake and to eat it too. Women need to be held as accountable as men do, and there should be equal punishments meted out, not just namby pamby slap on the wrist that women seem to get compared to men for the same activities/crimes.

11:50 AM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger lovemelikeareptile said...


I agree that not all women can be so characterized- but it is alarming that a huge number have such attitudes.

It is the rare female indeed that doesn't assume male guilt-- even when he a man is shot in the back with a shotgun while sleeping ! MS Winkler walked for a cold-blooded murder that would have gotten any man a first degree conviction, and many women made fools of themselves supporting her with condolences ( !) and gifts-- and therapy was prooffered so that she might get over the trauma of her husband allowing himself to be murdered by her. Men!-- look how he damaged the children by allowing his wife to murder him !

This attitude is very apparent in media coverage

Ashely Dupre, the prostitute that brought down Gov Spitzer, was recently interviewed by Diane Sawyer, and oh, did the tears flow ! She's such a victim, living in a $ 10,000 a month apartment supplied by her then Sugar Daddy. She wasn't even charged with a criminal offense, nor was Crystal Mangum whose false rape charges cost the state of N Carolina and the boys's families millions, destroying reputations, disrupting lives, and ending careers. Now she is publishing a book and will probably appear on Oprah for another " I was abused as a child " softball interview. MS Winkler did appear on Oprah, in a media campaign to gain custody of her children-- after murdering their father !

One notes that women "speak out" as did Ashley Dupre, which is certainly a prejudiced presentation. When men make claims they are referred to as "claims" or " allegations" by the media-- but women " speak out " or simply " say" as if the truth of their assertions was self-evident.

A man kidnaps a juvenile girl and he is immediately characterized as a "sexual predator".. a woman absconds to Mexico with a boy-- and claims the boy forced her to drive to Mexico and initiated the 'relationship"-- and these women are typically described as having a "relationship" , as if the boy could give mature consent... One notes that the blond-bombshell- wannabe who molested a boy, also appeared on TV, claiming she had bi-polar disorder. When was the last time you saw a pedophile on national TV, pleading his case that he is actually a victim. Only women are indulged this nonsense.

No rapist is allowed to ask us to 'understand" and no one inquires into the "root causes " of his behavior-- or is suffered to claim he was "forced" to rape because the victim provoked him. Women are NEVER to blame for their victimization-- men are always to blame for their victimization.

Lastly when men murder their wives, the headline is typically factual and not conclusory as in " Man Kills Wife " with women its " Woman kills Cheating Husband", an excuse for the murder is actually imbedded in a factual report!

Belford Bax stated about a century ago the self-contradictory nature of 'feminism"-- demanding equal treatment when it suits women-- while maintiang special privleges when is suits them. Empiricaly, the vast majority of women adhere to this position.

12:57 PM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger lovemelikeareptile said...

Uncle Ken

You are a talented fellow !

1:02 PM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger Joe said...

I call hoax on this story.

2:19 PM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger Greg said...

I have some doubts that this is authentic. It seems hard to believe that anyone outside of academia could be so detached from reality.

If this is real, this behavior is delightfully self-limiting. As a few others have pointed out, in 20 years or so these women will all have been killed or enslaved for lack of male defenders.

4:38 PM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger lovemelikeareptile said...

Well, the Carleton University Student Association in Canada did vote to drop a cystic fibrosis charity as a beneficiary of its annual fundraiser-- because the disease was not inclusive enough, " only affecting white people, and primarily men", according to the motion.
Apprently, the disease does not kill the RIGHT people-- minorities and females.

Typically, the criticism has revolved around
1) the disease occurs just as often in girls as boys-- therefore the rationale is OK-- because females, the "right" people, are also affected !
2) reverse racism

Hardly anyone seems to note the massive sexism involved--if a disease affected ONLY white men, why wouldn't that be a worthy recipient of a fund raising drive ?

Anyone tired of those non-inclusive pink ribbons, as one wag noted ?

4:58 PM, December 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You are a talented fellow !"

The cryllic letters hung there in the sulfurous fumes that rose like wraiths from the dimly lit recesses of the Officer's Slime Pit.

"Who wrote that?" his friend asked.

"Why," replied Asperx-32, turning an even deeper green from his embarrassment, "it's from the Lizard People!"

5:16 PM, December 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"She's such a victim, living in a $ 10,000 a month apartment supplied by her then Sugar Daddy."


Frankly, there are a whole lot of women reading this right now who either can't even perceive that they are hookers who found their sugar daddy ... or they will get slightly offended that "other women" are characterized as being that way.

YOU ... you ... reading this ... if you are a woman ... may just be a hooker or parasite. Yes, even YOU.


And time marches on, and men don't even notice it, women don't even notice it, and everyone acts as if the thing right before their nose isn't taking place. Basically prostitution, but with a sugar coating.

6:31 PM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger Archivist said...

I do not mean this in any way flippant or disrectful of women, but how the hell would they survive without men? I suppose they'd figure out how to build huts but in a civilized world, if all the men disappeared, I suspect you'd see widespread power outages and women freezing to death; the food shortages would be devastating. Both sexes are essential, but the world would collapse much more quickly without men.

7:04 PM, December 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I do not mean this in any way flippant or disrectful of women, but how the hell would they survive without men?"


They would just go to the grocery store, buy all the stuff they need, and charge it to their credit card.

Jeez, do I have to explain everything?

7:13 PM, December 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And they would get the money to cover the credit card from the government, since there wouldn't be any more mean men to restrict them.

7:14 PM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger Jennifer Stites said...

Target, I'm trying to figure out whether I qualify under your definition. You'll have to elaborate, I suppose.

9:45 PM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger Acksiom said...

Well, I'm not Target, but here's my elaboration:

Do you have any training in or meaningful experience with controlled and deliberate violence?

Do you know how to use a gun, another weapon, or any martial arts?

Do you consider yourself a default unpaid bodyguard for any men around you in general?

Do you have the mindset that in the event of an emergency, your life is worth less than that of anyone around you in danger?

In short, do you, like the average man, fundamentally value yourself less than you do those around you, and define your human identity to a significant degree through your ability to provide and sacrifice for others?

Does that help you figure it out?

10:27 PM, December 01, 2008  
Blogger Words Twice said...

"Stop judging these people with Western ethics. The commenters here have no idea how these people live and deal with life."

The Myth of the Noble Savage strikes again.

12:24 AM, December 02, 2008  
Blogger Jennifer Stites said...

Acksiom, I can answer "yes" to most of the questions. I thought Target was heading off in the direction of financial support. And yes I can see that the 2 subjects are related.
(I highly recommend a week or 2 of handgun self-defense training in South Texas in July for any woman who does not appreciate men.)

6:37 AM, December 02, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jennifer Stites:

You apparently felt offended by Target's post and you are now just bursting with the news of what a wonderful woman you personally are.

That doesn't help at all with the larger issue of "women who are not Jennifer Stites" and it doesn't even help much with the question of Jennifer Stites, since people have been known to exaggerate or fabricate on the Internet in personal anecdotes.

7:34 AM, December 02, 2008  
Blogger Jennifer Stites said...

I was not offended by Target's post, just curious about his thoughts. I am interested in the economic aspects of revolutionary politics and thought he might be heading in that direction. It is important to find the basis for much of the current popularity of feminism if we hope to do anything besides bitch and moan.
We don't help the situation by assigning thoughts and motives that do not exist.

11:00 AM, December 02, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, Target was most likely getting at the economic aspects of revolutionary politics.

11:20 AM, December 02, 2008  
Blogger Factory said...

Feminists are fighting back.

The details. :)

9:36 PM, December 02, 2008  
Blogger Jennifer Stites said...

Factory, that's priceless! And I love your blog. Congrats on being so "moderated." Just shows you're telling it like is.

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