Wednesday, August 29, 2007


Blogger Adrian said...

Of course, while morality is always universally and equally applicable to all moral agents be they male or female, sexuality is not universal and equal across gender lines. In other words, the way males and females typically go about getting a date, for instance, is quite different. Particularly, women tend to attempt to attract male interest through their appearance while males express interest directly and rely on simple appearance much less. So, the context in which these universalizable moral principles are equally applied differ for men as compared to women. Thus it means a whole lot more that a woman, say, actively and directly pursue a man as compared to a man doing the same for a woman (the former being unusually and extremely aggressive while the latter just being normal dating practices). Conversely, the "metrosexual" phenomenon notwithstanding, a man spending large amounts of time on their appearance is unusual while it would otherwise just be normal for a woman spending the same amount of time putting on make up and wearing more form fitting and eye catching clothing and so on.

In fact, consider the t-shirt Dr. Helen is wearing on this very blog relating to her near death experience. That, I would contend, is clearly "a girl's shirt", right? Isn't that because it is a little more form-fitting with shorter sleeves than a comparable "man's shirt" and so on? My belief is that there are very socially complex reasons for all of this that lead to the outcome that women basically "should be" wearing less modest clothing than men. With that said, though, I am definitely in favor of less polyamory/promiscuity and more modesty, just in general. I just think that the social norms clearly have to be different for women than for men because of the asymmetrical sexuality of each gender.

In fact, just in general, this ranks as one of feminism's greatest absurdities -- that standards of conduct concerning the sexes should all be just the same concerning sexuality. That would only be the case if the sexes were, themselves, just the same (in which case there would only be one gender in the first place and we wouldn't be having these sorts of discussions at all). And so, if ever... ever... there should be differences between men and women, generally accepted social practices regarding dating and sex would be it! Oh, I don't know, maybe who penetrates who during the actual sex act is a more clear cut case of where differences really ought to exist between genders.... (I'm sure there is a feminist out there that will dispute even that, though.)

2:34 PM, August 30, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I agree with your thesis, especially since the GWU sorority women are showing a lot more cleavage this year. Who am I to say nay? It is the Way of Things.

4:34 PM, August 30, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In dad mode all the time, I am lucky my daughters never went for the "Madonna" look, etc. in the days they were younger. Perhaps fear of being chained to their bed posts until they got over it, had some bearing on their fashion sense. (relax, only kidding)

Growing up in a household where my mother said more than once, "You are NOT going outside dressed like THAT.", when I was in the hippie phase of my teens, rubbed off on me, I guess. Seems one generation's ceiling is the next generation's floor.

6:06 AM, August 31, 2007  
Blogger Cham said...

This book could take everything one step further. Rather than just having a "Girls Gone Mild" theme, perhaps the modest girls should not only dress respectfully but develop some social skills as well. Boys too. Modesty isn't enough to fix what currently ails our teen culture.

9:44 AM, August 31, 2007  
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