Friday, September 03, 2010

FoxNews.com: "'Alpha-Male' Role in Hollywood Is a Dying Trend, Experts Say" (thanks to reader Eleanor for emailing the article):

The masculine, alpha-male movie star – brought to life in films such as “Rambo,” “Die Hard,” and “Rocky” – is becoming extinct in Hollywood, according to actress Michelle Rodriguez.

“The alpha man is dying in film, the warrior is dying,” she told us. “Hello geek.”

82 Comments:

Blogger Master Doh-San said...

Fortunately, in the real world there are still a few rams among the sheep.

7:04 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

The "alpha male" role is not dying, despite what some stupid actress says.

People want to escape from reality, so the harried employee at an accounting firm wants to have a couple of hours of escapism clinging to the outside of flying planes and shooting off weapons as freely as he wants. And his simplistic girlfriend wants to cream her pants about a "real man" who isn't just holding down a responsible job.

It's all fantasy, but it's not going away.

7:14 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

"Fortunately, in the real world there are still a few rams among the sheep."

_______

And let me guess ... you're one of them, right?

*Yawn*

7:15 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger Master Doh-San said...

Never said that. You shouldn't read into things.

7:38 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger missred said...

personally, i have never liked anything stallone did. the best macho man film i like is armageddon. but then again, i don't go to theatres to see films very often
"These days, the superhero film is a substitute for the super-masculine action film.”
i prefer men who are heroes

7:40 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

"Never said that. You shouldn't read into things."

__________

Actually, the other variant would be even worse: a sheep praising the ram that he will never be.

I really get sick of these "alpha male" discussions, though.

7:47 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

Here's an interesting aspect: Women bring this subject up, criticize men, evaluate men and select men based on their "alpha male" or "real man" qualities, but they don't realize the hypocrisy they are engaging in.

An example is a 25-year-old woman who lives at home and works as a cashier. She makes fun of the 24-year-old man who is an assistant manager and has his own apartment.

You would think that it is ridiculous that a person who doesn't have as much is making fun of another person. But that's not how women think. They picture their dream guy, and compare him to the men in the proximity.

On the one hand, there is a strong cry for women to be treated "equally". On the other hand, there is a strong internal mechanism in women to only give any bit of respect to some man who has achieved far more than her. That's really how it works.

Kind of stupid, actually, but it's just life.

7:55 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

Re: Sheep

That brought up a memory of a very old Star Trek episode (the original version from the 1960s) called "Errand of Mercy".

Captain Kirk and his crew land on a planet at the same time as the (hostile) Klingons. There is probably going to be a war.

The inhabitants are just sheep who don't want a fight.

And then, of course, only at the very end, the speaker for the sheep says that unfortunately he will have to prevent the war--and he does.

What a bitch. Just when you thought you were the big cheese.

8:12 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger Ern said...

“Hello geek.”

At last, some good news for me in the alpha-male discussion.

8:15 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

Here are some real men (until the stupid Organians come along):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7FozZnfCVQ&feature=related

8:19 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

And with regard to women who cream their pants for real men: Now you know how to manipulate them.

8:25 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger DADvocate said...

I doubt it considering I saw "The Expendables" at the theater last weekend and "Machete" was one of the trailers.

8:39 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger Learning Curve said...

I think the alpha-male role is as in demand as ever amongst the viewers, it's more the Hollywood culture that doesn't understand it (other than a hackneyed stereotype of the real thing, which nobody wants to watch), and so they dismiss or even denigrate it. It'll return to prominence just as soon as a major studio finds some writers who can consistently portray it in shades of reality.

Then, the trolls of the world, hitherto lacking in such real-world role models, will at least have fictional ones to lead them out of adolescence; clearly, from reading someone's comments above, it's needed.

(Oh, and for those who prefer to judge the messenger rather than the message, color me gamma.)

9:50 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

"Then, the trolls of the world, hitherto lacking in such real-world role models, will at least have fictional ones to lead them out of adolescence; clearly, from reading someone's comments above, it's needed."

_______

That sounds pretty passive-aggressive, or even downright wimpy. For a wanna-be alpha male.

Shouldn't you just reach through the Internet and strangle me or something? You friggin' sound like a little girl, not an alpha male.

9:53 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

Here's the deal: If you are extolling the virtues of "alpha males" then you better at least fit the criteria. Pissy little bitches don't fulfill the criteria. And, as a side note, I'm not asserting I'm an "alpha male". You people, on the other hand, seem to be suggesting it, in your passive aggressive, kinda-sorta way.

Bejeezus.

I don't even understand the game here. It's "I kinda sorta think 'alpha males' are cool, but I don't really want to come out and say it."

The problem is that either you are going to have to be the Big Alpha Male, or you are a little coward who kind of likes the idea of Alpha Male but isn't one.

9:58 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

And the real truth is that it is a fiction driven by the media.

The better news is that women can be easily manipulated with it. Easily.

9:59 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger Learning Curve said...

JG,

I spoke only of adolescent behavior in general; interesting that you both self-identify and take offense at that identity.

Anyway, I'm being "summoned" as we speak by smiling face and I gotta go walk the dog now. I'll be sure to let him know who's gamma, though.

If you don't have a dog already, you should get one; they're quite wise and happy to share it.

10:04 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

I just read a book - the Memoirs of Albert Speer - and I think even Adolf Hitler, an alpha male according to most definitions, was a pissy little bitch, especially at the end. He even got married a day before his suicide, a beta male sign in any case.

LOL.

But let the tough guys tell their stories here.

10:04 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

Sorry for the violation of Godwin's law, although it wasn't technically one.

10:05 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

"I spoke only of adolescent behavior in general; interesting that you both self-identify and take offense at that identity."

___

In some ways I'm proud that I'm still an adolescent. You are probably forking all your money over to a parasitical pig. You damn well better grin about that.

10:07 PM, September 03, 2010  
Blogger orthodoc said...

Are Hollywood types really that stupid?

Iron Man 2: US Gross $312 million
Inception: $272 million
Clash of the Titans: $163 million
Robin Hood: $105 million
The Expendables: $86 million in 3 weeks,

Right. Everyone wants to watch a bunch of weenies sit around and talk about their feelings. Yup.

12:34 AM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger Doom said...

I think the expert is so focused on what Hollywood is doing that she doesn't notice it itself is dying. The more the economy tanks and even if women are maintained in jobs as one last hurrah for feminism, extra money in general will be gone and those women who support their own destruction and the supporters of it such as Hollywood will have no time to go watch.

I am sure there are metrosexuals and others male types who still dig being dumped by moviemakers. But the guys I know, real men, simply tuned Hollywood out long ago.

3:09 AM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger Francis W. Porretto said...

Americans love heroes. Even implausible superheroes. Was George W. Bush ever so greatly loved by his admirers, or so roundly hated by his detractors, as after this event?

Heroic fiction, including "alpha male" heroic movies, are in no danger whatsoever.

6:13 AM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger JB said...

What orthodoc said:

"Are Hollywood types really that stupid?

Iron Man 2: US Gross $312 million
Inception: $272 million
Clash of the Titans: $163 million
Robin Hood: $105 million
The Expendables: $86 million in 3 weeks,"

That's what I was going to say. Saw/enjoyed all of them, some of them twice.

Quick anecdote, re: "Alpha Males". In my somewhat recent past, worked for a major aerospace company, worked directly with the test pilots. No "betas" or "gammas" there; extremely smart guys too - I'd bet money that many of them outscored the "geeks" on the SAT. Chief Test Pilot is a short, stocky, just-past-middle-aged man (love him dearly), and at first flight, a news reporter asks him about his atypical physical demeanor. Pilot quips: "I don't want to be Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise wants to be me."

7:56 AM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger Cham said...

I'll assume the movie studios will make whatever type of movie that will earn them money. They seem very dollar conscious.

8:05 AM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

Never heard of this woman. That being said, she's partly right and partly wrong...

As society gets even less blue collar, people identify less with masculine screen characters, but we need to look at historicity and realize that all of our classic action heroes are getting old. There's a reason they just starred in a film that tagged them as "expendable."

The "geek" has risen in film pretty much due to the talents of one man - Judd Apatow - and the characters he creates. I have a feeling it's already on the wane though, as his style has been copied enough to saturate the market. Will Ferrell has unique talents to play his overwrought quirky characters, much like Adam Sandler made several films as the same passive-aggressive simpleton.

That people identify with these characters is incidental - the film rank and file laughs at them, which is enough to sell the tickets and DVDs.

This actress is also confusing "alpha" with "action hero." The latter is (typically) a subset of the former. Those Ocean's 11 guys weren't Rambo but they were plenty alpha. People still like to see strong men on screen.

Film goes in cycles. In the 70's we saw conflicted, broken characters like Jack Nicholson in a world that didn't make sense. This recalled the film noir era and guys like Bogey. Then in the 80's we got action blockbusters like Die Hard and Terminator (alongside the John Hughes/Chris Columbus-style comedies about middle-class white guys.) Then in the 90's we got more socially-focused films where heroes were conflicted or otherwise complicated moldbreakers again (Titanic, MI, Philadelphia, Austin Powers).

9:30 AM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

"But the guys I know, real men, simply tuned Hollywood out long ago."

I'm in this camp. I think I've been to ten movies in the last five years. Probably half of them were wastes of money or at least could have waited for a DVD. Going to the movies is expensive, and my time is more valuable than the $11 I shell out, and you have to deal with cellphones, people talking, funny smells, etc (Bring back ushers to shame people into silence!) I don't even consider buying food and drink there.

"I'll assume the movie studios will make whatever type of movie that will earn them money. They seem very dollar conscious."

One would think this is true, but Hollywood makes shi**y movies all the time, and often bets totally wrong on what will bring in box office receipts. They are also relatively clueless as to how to flatter middle America's sensibilities. They made that ridiculous "Stop Loss" movie, an ideologically-driven screed based on a mendacious impression of the stop-loss concept, and used it as a vehicle to criticize the Iraq war. Guess what? It tanked big time! The studio's reaction? "Well, people just aren't ready for straight talk on the war." Pffff.

Almost every anti-war film made during the Iraq War era flopped, and they never learned (except possibly with "The Hurt Locker") that a lot of America supported the war and didn't want to be shamed with a crude heartstrings movie. My point is that Hollywood may be money conscious, but they live in an ideological echo chamber that clouds their thinking not just about making money but about making good movies.

9:46 AM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

Just RTFA...these experts are mixed up like a bowl of nuts.

Toy Story and Twilight are cited as

Toy Story has as central characters a gold-hearted cowboy and a macho space ranger.

Twilight is quite simply about a girl's yearning for a hot guy.

These are examples that macho men are on the outs in Hollywood?

Then we get the pop-psychology:
"So, is this shift in Hollywood’s leading men from macho to meek a reflection of a changing society in which women are becoming more independent, earning more money and perhaps don’t want a more dominant partner?"

The article rebuts this claim paragraphs later:

"And according to dating/relationships expert and author of “The Chase,” Samantha Brett, Hollywood’s ever-growing representation of girls going after “geeky” guys may demonstrate that Tinseltown is indeed out-of-touch with reality.

“Innately, women feel most safe, protected, secure, sexy and at their peak when they are with a man who makes them feel feminine and like a woman,” she added. “It’s in our DNA!” "

I have to give the author credit for speaking the truth here:

"“In America today, we’re seeing a lot more boys disconnected with their own sense of masculinity, due in large part due to higher divorce rates, dad’s working longer hours – the strong father figure is often not around and that’s why the ‘geek’ has become much more mainstream,” explained psychiatrist Dr. Paul Dobransky, author of “Masculinity Code.” "

I'm surprised a mainstream entertainment article puts this in plain view - without question, the strip-mining of maleness from the family structure has had a destructive effect on boys. God help us when the next generation becomes adults.

9:54 AM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger J. Bowen said...

I, for one, stopped consuming most of what Hollywood put out years ago. I watch a drama or suspense movie here and there, but by and large, I have no more desire to watch almost anything coming out in theaters these days. I'm definitely not one of the morons who actually thought that any of those movies that are listed above were "good" movies (and I definitely didn't pay to go to see any of them).

That's not to say that I don't watch movies, though. I've found that foreign films, especially out of China, are becoming better and better. Movie-makers from developing countries - where masculinity is, whether rightly or wrongly or sadly in its effect, still revered - have this tendency, in my opinion, to spend more time developing characters, and certainly seem to pay more attention to developing more-appealing male characters (they definitely aren't a bunch of sniveling bitches who can't do anything right to save their lives). I don't know if it's because the studios in those countries haven't yet figured out that they can make more money if they dumb-down the movies so that they'll appeal more to shallow, moronic, ADHD-having Americans who wouldn't know good acting to save their lives or because they actually care about the quality of their movies, but they are definitely, in my opinion, much better than almost anything coming out of the US these days.

The director of the Honk Kong movie Ip Man, for example, succeeded in combining good action scenes with good character development and a good plot, something that few American action movie directors have done (you, Missred, may think Armageddon was a great movie, but I'd be willing to bet that there are plenty of people out there who actually care about the quality of what they're watching who thought that the movie was terrible for many good reasons (sure, it had great special effects and a star-studded cast - including a blubbering Ben Affleck - and is, if you're looking for cheap thrills, fun to watch, but the character development sucked about as much as the plot did (which is true of just about all disaster movies made in America))).

5:36 PM, September 04, 2010  
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6:14 PM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger Larry J said...

My wife and I have some free movie passes and so I thought today would be a good day to use them. After looking at all of the films currently playing, we didn't see anything. For that matter, we used to rent and/or buy many movies each year. In the past year, we've gone to one movie, rented only one other one, and have hardly bought anything.

The simple truth is that Hollywood makes movies largely for teenagers and I'm a long, long way from being a teenager. Based on the favorable comments of several coworkers, I'm thinking of getting a NetFlix subscription so I can choose from their large catalog of movies. There are a lot of good movies out there, just not many made in the last 10 years or so.

8:56 PM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger Larry J said...

My wife and I have some free movie passes and so I thought today would be a good day to use them. After looking at all of the films currently playing, we didn't see anything. For that matter, we used to rent and/or buy many movies each year. In the past year, we've gone to one movie, rented only one other one, and have hardly bought anything.

The simple truth is that Hollywood makes movies largely for teenagers and I'm a long, long way from being a teenager. Based on the favorable comments of several coworkers, I'm thinking of getting a NetFlix subscription so I can choose from their large catalog of movies. There are a lot of good movies out there, just not many made in the last 10 years or so.

8:57 PM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger Larry J said...

My wife and I have some free movie passes and so I thought today would be a good day to use them. After looking at all of the films currently playing, we didn't see anything. For that matter, we used to rent and/or buy many movies each year. In the past year, we've gone to one movie, rented only one other one, and have hardly bought anything.

The simple truth is that Hollywood makes movies largely for teenagers and I'm a long, long way from being a teenager. Based on the favorable comments of several coworkers, I'm thinking of getting a NetFlix subscription so I can choose from their large catalog of movies. There are a lot of good movies out there, just not many made in the last 10 years or so.

8:57 PM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Michelle
RE: Heh

“The alpha man is dying in film, the warrior is dying,” she told us. “Hello geek.” -- Michelle Rodriguez

Too funny.

How about an Airborne-Ranger computer database developer?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Look elsewhere, I wear a 'ring of protection', given me by my spouse in a ceremony before God almighty.

P.P.S. And, unless you can do better than Ms May from Matilda May....

....don't even bother trying....

....you'll just embarrass yourself.

8:59 PM, September 04, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

"How about an Airborne-Ranger computer database developer?"

---------

They're going to make a movie about your life?

"Chuck's Story" starting Chuck Norris as Chuck Pelto, and Catherine Zeta Jones as his wife.

Chuck Pelto is a mild-mannered retiree until he senses injustice in the world via the Internet. He then uses his powerful Ring of Protection to change into his secret identity, the Mighty Power Ranger, kicking butt all the way. Follow him or get the hell out of the way as he takes out the trash.

- "Chuck's Story is one of the last movies with a real Real Man in it. Don't miss it!" - Roger Ebert

2:57 AM, September 05, 2010  
Blogger Cham said...

Too true, JG, too true. :D

6:51 AM, September 05, 2010  
Blogger J. Bowen said...

Omg, that was hilarious!

11:10 AM, September 05, 2010  
Blogger I R A Darth Aggie said...

DEER LORD.

J.G., do you have something positive to say, or are you going to be positively pissy?

11:32 AM, September 05, 2010  
Blogger mishu said...

JG must have some sand in his vagina. Look, once in a while, I like seeing someone blow shit up and kick the shit out of bad guys. It's a nice diversion from reality.

12:07 PM, September 05, 2010  
Blogger Basil said...

Famous quotes umpteen comments ago: "
I really get sick of these "alpha male" discussions, though.

1:22 PM, September 05, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

Aggie et al,

I think JG was simply mocking Chuck's tendency to use any pretense to flaunt his former life as a parachutist.

2:08 PM, September 05, 2010  
Blogger Basil said...

JG was simply mocking...

JG is a mockery.

4:48 PM, September 05, 2010  
Blogger MW3 said...

Don't watch many movies so can't say for sure on that but I can really see it in the workplace.

7:03 PM, September 05, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: All
RE: Heh

Too funny....

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[We were always here. -- Kosh]

P.S. We always WILL be.....

4:17 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: JG
RE: Heh - Reprised

"How about an Airborne-Ranger computer database developer?" -- JG

Present....

RE: Rings of Power

He then uses his powerful Ring of Protection.... -- JG

Had to use it just last week. Some folk of the feminine persuasion beginning to make moves. I had to fend them off with that 'Ring of Protection'.

It worked.....

What's your point?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[God is alive....and Airborne-Ranger qualified. And so am I.]

4:20 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

P.S. Eat your heart out....

4:20 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger Cham said...

Chuck: Your life is clearly more exhilarating and exciting than just about everybody else. Would it be possible for you create a website giving us pictures, names and dates of all the interesting activities in which you have participated? You would be an inspiration to all of us who have not had the pleasure of being an Airborne Ranger.

5:37 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Cham
RE: Lest I Repeat Myself Too Often....

....Heh!

Would it be possible for you [to] create a website..... -- Cham

Did that about six years ago. Actually about three. You apparently never bothered to visit them. Your loss....

RE: Living the Life

You would be an inspiration..... -- Cham

If my words here haven't been inspiration enough, NOTHING will for the likes of you. You remind me of that parable taught by Someone around 2000 years ago about the beggar Lazarus and the rich man, wherein Moses says to the rich man—in torment—"They've had the prophets and the scritpure to teach them. If they did not listen to them, they'll not listen to anything." Or words to that effect.

But still and all, there's 'hope' for you yet.

Get you to a recruiter and volunteer to go airborne-ranger. Or, on the darker side, go Recon Marine.

Hope that helps....

....but, obviously, I have my doubts.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you had a Life in the first place, you'll never have a 'mid-Life' crisis. -- CBPelto]

6:03 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

P.S. Spekaing about 'exhilarating'....

One of my favorite truisms is....

You haven't lived until you've almost died.

Tell us about the times you've faced-down the Grim Reaper.

I think I've mentioned at least two of the many times I have while in your 'employe', courtesy of our rich Uncle Sam. But looking back at all those nigh-on 30 years of service, I recollect a number of other such events.....iron girders of an M4T6 bridge in the middle of a snow storm, jeeps going into ditches on exercises, APCs operated by run-amog guardsmen, etc. ,etc., etc.

Looking back on all of it over some fine scotch and cigars while sitting by the fire-pit on this VERY FIRST Autumn-like day, it's nice of you to remind me just how exhilarating Life can be.....should you survive it.....

6:12 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger DADvocate said...

You haven't lived until you've almost died.

During Desert Storm, John Leo wrote an excellent essay on warriors in U.S. News and World Report. Unfortunately, I've never been able to find the essay in the Internet. In the essay, Leo points out the warriors greater appreciation of life because he's seen it snuffed out and risked his own.

Maybe that's a big reason the WWII generation took on the world so aggressively and enthusiastically.

6:25 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger Cham said...

I'll leave it to JG to take it from here.

6:30 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: DADvocate
RE: Indeed

When I was a young lieutenant in the 82d, I pulled SDO at the brigade HQ.

On one occasion, as I was making my way through the headquarters on my initial run-through, I came upon the brigade XO, a Nam vet. He took something of a 'moment' in his life to sit me down and have a 'father-son' talk about his 'exhilarating' experiences.

In that he explained how he had scrimped and saved all his life. Until he (1) went to Nam and (2) got shot and (3) almost died. While recovering he realized that all that money he'd saved would be 'wasted', had he died of his wounds.

I took that lesson to heart. Especially after the parachute malfunction on an EDRE....shortly thereafter.

Of course, one of the quintessential aspects of living Life to the fullest is a degree of confidence. The confidence that comes in Christ....

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Come up and breath the rarified air. -- Newsboys, Cornelius]

6:32 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: All
RE: Cham

Another 'coward', self-identifies.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Maybe Cham can convince JG to see his local Recuiter.

One can only 'hope' for 'change'.....but not from YouKnowWho.....

6:34 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: DADvocate
RE: Their 'Enthusiasim'

Maybe that's a big reason the WWII generation took on the world so aggressively and enthusiastically. -- DADvocate

I think not.

Why?

Lots of 'people' have 'enthusiasm' about Life today. Look at JG and, more appropriately, Cham.

However, they lack the 'confidence' necessary to do what has to be done....despite all 'risk', even their own life.

What is the 'difference' between that—the Greatest Generation—and todays?

Three guesses....first two don't count.....

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I suspect, something to do with....

Having the form, but denying the power....., as some Old Book said thinks would go.

P.P.S. As a matter of example.....

The local Episcopalian church installed a new minister. NOW we see that attendance has dropped significantly. If not dramatically. Use to be that Sunday mornings, our street was packed with cars. To include well around the corner from this 'church', three doors down the street from our front door.

NOW? Only two to four cars on any given Sunday morning.

Oh well....

....we were warned, in that Old Book, that this would happen. But we're not discouraged. Rather, our understanding is reinforced by this evidence of the power.

[Keep the Faith, baby!]

7:16 PM, September 06, 2010  
Blogger God Of Bacon said...

Alpha males used to serve a purpose in the survival of our species. Now they only remind us of why we have school shooters.

8:58 AM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: God of Bacon
RE: Heh

Now they only remind us of why we have school shooters. -- God of Bacon

How so?

You think that the likes of Harris and Klebold or Cho are 'Alpha Males'?

I think a better case could be made that they are of a similar sort as Cham and JG, i.e., non-alphas who HATE the Alphas with a deep passion. Deep enough to want to kill the Alphas and all who admire them.

Not that Cham or JG have manifested that deep a hatred....yet. But they obviously resent the existence of the Alphas.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you're going to be one, be a Big Red One. -- unofficial motto of the First Infantry Division]

10:01 AM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

Sooooo....

....is political correctness come to Dr. Helen?

7:04 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

I ask because I tried to post somethink here a bit ago and it was 'refused'. But yet the previous comment appears.

Or is it that Dr. Helen should AT LAST look to moving to a REAL blogging environment?

7:05 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: All
RE: I Have to Wonder

Living up to the challenges of our time is going to take everything we have — and then some. -- Buck Up!

....whether we can count on the likes of JG and Cham in the coming turmoil. I suspect not.

If not their ilk, then WHO?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. -- Law of Probable Dispersal]

7:09 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

Oh....

....I see. This 'system', such as it is, can't handle 'colon' symbols.

Such a sh-tty, system....

7:10 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: All
RE: Heh

All this bickering over who and what is an alpha male stirs up cherished memories of days long ago with my platoon of paras.

We’d bunker down at the end of a grueling day into our bivvy bags, grab each other’s codpiece and sing along with the platoon sergeant as he sang us to sleep…

Three little maids from school are we,
Pert as a school-girl well can be,
Filled to the brim with girlish glee,
Three little maids from school!

Then we’d dump cans of tuna fish and feta cheese down our underwear to keep the Marines away from us while we cuddled.

Now that’s warfare!

And in the ‘Nam, where it’s hotter than Kevin Spacey’s ass, you learn to appreciate the little comforts in life.

Regards

Chuck(le)
[The truth will out…just like my wife when she found me wearing her lingerie.]

7:16 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Dr. Helen
RE: Interesting

Would you be so kind as to properly identify the character who posted the comment at 1916 hrs [your time] 7 Sep 10?

I ask because it wasn't me. And I don't think this character should get away with such impersonations.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....and with something of a vengeance.]

P.S. Or should I file a suit?

7:38 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

P.P.S. Another example of why I think you should move up to a REAL blogging environment. One where such BS can't happen.

7:40 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Self
RE: Heh

You're not that interesting.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The truth will out, just like my wife when she found me wearing her lingerie.]

7:41 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Dr. Helen
RE: I Think....

....it would be a good idea to identify, properly, to me, who it was who posted the comment in this thread at 1941 hrs [your blog time] 7 Sep 10.

I ask because it wasn't me. And I think it deplorable that someone should put themselves forward as being me without my express permission.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth....will out....]

P.S. Either voluntarily or under duress of Law.

7:46 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Cham said...

I am laughing so hard I have tears.

7:48 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Cham
RE: Tears

You are welcome to cry on my shoulder, dear.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Mercy is not strained. It falleth like...well, some friggin thing which presently escapes me.]

7:51 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger God Of Bacon said...

Rocky "another Jew in the oven" Hoffschneider.

Real piece of work.

And an alpha male!!

8:00 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Cham
RE: Sorry....

...but your 'tears' are all at loss.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The 'fun' is just beginning....]

8:39 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Self
RE: How to Bluff and Suck at it Mercilessly

"P.S. Either voluntarily or under duress of Law."

Newsflash, pickledick: No criminal transaction = no lawsuit.

Bend over and bite the pillow, Yum-Yum.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
PS: The 'fun' has indeed begun.

9:34 PM, September 07, 2010  
Blogger Ed said...

How sad.

To the person falsely putting himself forth as Chuck Pelto: what are you hoping to accomplish through libel? The only one you're hurting here is Dr. Helen.

3:57 PM, September 08, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: Ed
RE: Libel Schmiebel

Q: "what are you hoping to accomplish...?"

A: Cham said...I am laughing so hard I have tears.

Question asked and answered.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
PS: I am Spartacus!

4:15 PM, September 08, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

Ed sez: "How sad."

----

Ed, are you male or female? Sometimes women log in with male names and vice versa, and your "how sad" sounds like something a woman would say.

I agree with Cham and think the "new" Chuck is kind of funny. Chuck is a blowhard, so it's kind of biting him on the butt.

As to your libel accusation: Somehow I don't think that a jury will ever be seated in this monumental case. Someone is mocking Chuck, and it is amusing.

Maybe Chuck will learn from this, but probably not.

6:11 PM, September 08, 2010  
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7:23 PM, September 08, 2010  
Blogger JG said...

On the topic here:

I like some of the "alpha male" movies. One of my favorite movies was Terminator (1984).

But there is also an issue of distinguishing fantasy from real life. The boys who want to play the role in real life - especially if they are purely playing a role and not even backing it up by anything all that special - are kind of idiotic. And embarrassing.

8:24 PM, September 08, 2010  
Blogger Wilhelm Tell said...

I'll still go see most anything with Clint Eastwood in it. The older he gets the better he gets. Stoic doesn't mean you don't have feelings, just that you don't flaunt them.

10:23 PM, September 08, 2010  
Blogger blake said...

OK, once was funny. But the fake Chuck should have the common decency to make his fakeness apparent.

11:28 PM, September 08, 2010  
Blogger blake said...

Meanwhile....mmmm....Mathilda May. Makes "LifeForce" watchable. At least while she's on-screen. And naked. Which is a lot.

And y'all sound like old people. Which, I guess, you are (if judged against teenagers, anyway). Yeah, there's tons of shovel-ready movies. But then, there always have been.

Michelle Rodriguez is used to playing Alpha (fe?)Males. And is alleged to be bisexual. If she's in a movie, the guy who was more Alpha than she would have to be, like, a -- well, he'd have to be a John Wayne to her Maureen O'Hara.

And that just isn't done.

So, in that sense, she's right. She tends to fill the Alpha Male role, and a suitably aggressive male -- one that could tame her, as they used to say in the Dark Ages of the '40s and '50s -- would simply be impossible to get out of committee, I suspect.

12:30 AM, September 09, 2010  
Blogger Ed said...

"Ed, are you male or female? Sometimes women log in with male names and vice versa, and your "how sad" sounds like something a woman would say."

Male. Mostly one of few words.

I suppose I could have expanded upon that - how sad it is that we never seem to really leave Junior High.

12:42 AM, September 09, 2010  
Blogger M. Simon said...

The guys that have it made are the alpha geeks.

1:28 AM, September 09, 2010  
Blogger M. Simon said...

And Chuck. You are one. I read some of your biotech comments on another blog. Good on ya.

BTW Aleister Crowley (not Jesus) has been rather helpful in my spiritual adventures. Jesus is not the only way.

To each his own.

1:34 AM, September 09, 2010  
Blogger Chuck Pelto said...

TO: M. Simon
RE: [OT] Crowley, Eh

BTW Aleister Crowley (not Jesus) has been rather helpful in my spiritual adventures. Jesus is not the only way. -- M. Simon

Sometime, if you're in the AO, we REALLY should get together over some fine tobacco and scotch.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. And you're right, there's more than 'one way', but all the others are so much worse. [Note: With apologies to Sir Winston.]

4:17 AM, September 09, 2010  

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