"I think I know a lot of men who deserve to be beaten,"
Trudy Schuett reports at Examiner.com on Praxis International, an organization that she says "encourages domestic violence, when properly applied." Trudy says:
Naturally, when asked for clarification about this comment, Janice Wick, Associate Director of Praxis, said:
Notice how there is always an excuse when PC comments are made in most organizations, one that would not be tolerated had the sexes been reversed. I am glad to see that people who were attending were outraged and that Ms. Schuett is on the case.
I wouldn't have known anything about this org but for an e-mail I got from Marc Angelucci, of NCFM. The e-mail was about the outrage felt by participants at the recent Washington State Domestic Violence Coalition (WSDVC) annual conference, where Amanda McCormick, an employee of Praxis said with a grin, "I think I know a lot of men who deserve to be beaten," during her keynote address.
Naturally, when asked for clarification about this comment, Janice Wick, Associate Director of Praxis, said:
"Amanda McCormick is an employee of Praxis International but was not representing Praxis at the Washington conference. As I was not present, I can not speak to your concerns. I would not want to make a judgment based on a sentence that may or may not have been taken out of context. I will forward your email to Amanda and she will respond to you directly."
Notice how there is always an excuse when PC comments are made in most organizations, one that would not be tolerated had the sexes been reversed. I am glad to see that people who were attending were outraged and that Ms. Schuett is on the case.
posted by Helen at 5:20 AM
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Why is it that no one ever demands of the spokes person "why is context needed?"
If someone said "I know plenty of blacks who'd make great tree ornaments" no one would care WHAT the context was because that comment has a context-free offensiveness to it.
It's time that people get a lot uglier and more confrontational with goons like this. I am not a big fan of his, but I like how Bill O'Reilly is not shy about sending his camera crew to get in the face of people like this and make them extremely uncomfortable.
Feminism and the domestic violence industry have at least tacitly supported violence against men for years. Until recently, the official line was that all domestic violence victims were female. Domestic violence against men was glorified, as in The Burning Bed, and justified for absurd reasons, Mary Winkler and platform shoes.
When Brereton Jones was governor of Kentucky, the official state domestic violence training manual stated women were the only victims of domestic violence. I suspect Janice Wick personally agrees with McCormick's statement.
"I think I know a lot of men who deserve to be beaten,"
The sentence that is the core belief of feminism.
SteveinTX
It is a real double standard. A woman can hit a man and people make excuses for her behavior.
there is a company here in ontario that cleans houses. they have a fleet of little cars that have a bumper sticker that says domestic voilence on it in big letters that is crossed out with a pink x.
they are selling the idea of domestic violence.
every time i see one of those cars i am reminded of agressive women in little cars.
the human mind cannot procees information in the negative.
try to not think of a pink elephant.
you end up fighting to not think of the pink elephant you have pictured in your mind.
the people who put bumper stickers like that on thier cars are promoting domestic violence as a cause celebre and are stirring up negative sentiment and are then going to clean homes.
i am seeing domestic violence posters on buses and in grocery stores now.
in my view, feminism has done nothing but attack and weaken the family, and virtually nothing to improve the lives of the average woman.
especially the ones driving around in the little cars cleaning houses.
and the poor of our communities are counceled through children`s aid whenever there are concerns about domestic or child abuse.
children`s aid has a policy of only hiring batchelors and masters in social work.
the msw is a cult of feminists.
As Erin Pizzey recently said, domestic violence is *not* a gender issue:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1215464/Why-I-loathe-feminism---believe-ultimately-destroy-family.html
from a therapist`s standpoint i see domestic violence as a transactional issue requiring at least two willing participants.
boy, do feminists freak when i suggest such a thing.
when one takes a transactional approach, it is possible, with two willing partners, to be able to make both parties see different ways to communicate.
one of which involves not beating the living crap out of eachother, verbally and physically.
That little modifier phrase, "when properly applied," really leaves me wondering. When and how is domestic violence ever properly applied? I simply cannot imagine.
As for a lot of men deserving to be beaten, I have s strong suspicion that every last one of them will take exception to this idea. Thus the simply idea that this wild woman thinks they deserve to be beaten really says a lot about her, but very little about these men. She needs to be studied under a microscope.
That's okay: I know a lot of women who need a beating.
Now, if we can accept that there are a LOT of people out there who deserve a beating, can we move on?
Oh, and before anyone starts bleating about the "violence inherent in the system", all I'm saying is that if there are some men who need a beating, then, in the purest spirit of equality, some women should get no less.
there are a LOT of people out there who deserve a beating
If not a beating, at least a solid smack up side the head.
When and how is domestic violence ever properly applied?
Well, I'd say that violence is only ever properly applied in self-defense, or in defense of innocent parties against an aggressor.
-jcr
The reasons why men should NOT convert to Islam continues to shrink by the day.
Forced to choose between modern 'feminized' Western society and Islam, is it unreasonable for him to choose the avenue where his own treatment might be better?
jcr:
Out of curiosity, are you the same jcr that posts on Slashdot?
I think I know a Duluth woman who deserves a firing.
Maybe I'll go explain that to her in person.
As a male, and playing the devil's advocate, I find it hard to get upset at the concept of men who need to be beaten. Over the years, I've encountered several men who could have benefited with a good thrashing. Never mind that it comes by way of a male or a female. For that matter, I've encountered more than a couple of females who rated a good thrashing. It is a good thing that I'm civilized and thus resist the urge to give them what they richly deserve. Male or female. Besides that, it keeps me out of jail.
My friend Ali from Lebanon once told me what they do back home about domestic violence. Say X beats his wife Y, the families find out about it, put together a delegation of male family members to ask X to desist. If he doesn't, they throw him a blanket party (toss a blanket over him and beat him senseless).
It seems particularly fitting for the dispenser of domestic violence to find himself on the receiving end.
No court injunctions, no calls to the cops, no court-ordered anger management. It's a family problem that seems to be effectively handled at a family level. It works because the families are shamed by the behavior of wife-beating.
This is a mixed bag, though. That same shame mechanism brings about "honor killings."
To gp_in_tx:
We must know the same people. Of course, as Steve Poling implies, beating somebody senseless is just an extreme social sanction to reinforce a societal norm. There are others. Which is more violent, beating some guy up or putting him in jail for a year because he cannot/will not pay child support for a kid that isn't his? I wonder how Ms. McCormick feels about paternity fraud.
Woman chasing man with skillet raised is standard old-time cartoon fare. The reverse is not.
Not so much benighted times as that women don't hit as hard.
The man's role is not to hit back.
The problem with thinking that some people deserve beatdowns is Mission Creep. Today, its the guy who abandoned his kids. Tomorrow, its the guy that cut you off in traffic.
Trudy Schuett: "I think I know a lot of women who deserve to be raped"
"The bitch deserved it."
"The bastard deserved it."
If the former isn't acceptable, neither is the latter.
One of my college students told me that her grandmother didn't respect her daughter (the student's mother) because she tolerated abuse. Grandma wielded the cast iron skillet a few times and stood up for herself and it stopped.
Dr. alistair wrote: "from a therapist`s standpoint i see domestic violence as a transactional issue requiring at least two willing participants."
The people doing research on the problem have been saying this for year. They get the same bashing from the feminazis.
The truth can be frightening to moral/political positions built on lies.
Trey
``One of my college students told me that her grandmother didn't respect her daughter (the student's mother) because she tolerated abuse.''
Hmmm. I wonder if Grandma abused her own daughter, and then wondered why daughter put up with the same from other people?
@steve poling:
Your friend "Ali from Lebanon" is an exception to the Islamic rule.
To the rest of you:
No one can do anything to you (domestic violence) without your continued permission. I grew up in a home where it occured on a regular basis, and I will not tolerate it in mine. I had a former boyfriend try it with me, and I sent him to the emergency room for stitches. I left soon afterward.
BTW: To some people, differentiating yourself from a doormat constitutes "Feminism".
I suspect that a lot of those men who "deserve to be beaten" were, in fact, beaten when they were kids.
Isn't domestic violence a learned behavior for the most part?
"What they need's a damn good whacking"
I suspect that a lot of those men who "deserve to be beaten" were, in fact, beaten when they were kids. Isn't domestic violence a learned behavior for the most part?
Thats what I thought - responding to an abuser with violence is just perpetuating the cycle. If thats wrong, pls correct.
The reason that context is important is that the quote may be part of a larger sentence.
"I think I know a lot of men who deserve to be beaten at a game of chess."
"A person with whom I vehemently disagree once said, and I quote, 'I think I know a lot of men who deserve to be beaten.'"
Example:
Media Matters dishonest editing in support of their “smear” argument exposed
So, yes, context is important. Chances are it doesn't matter in this particular case, though.
My friend Ali from Lebanon once told me what they do back home about domestic violence. Say X beats his wife Y, the families find out about it, put together a delegation of male family members to ask X to desist. If he doesn't, they throw him a blanket party (toss a blanket over him and beat him senseless).
It seems particularly fitting for the dispenser of domestic violence to find himself on the receiving end.
No court injunctions, no calls to the cops, no court-ordered anger management. It's a family problem that seems to be effectively handled at a family level. It works because the families are shamed by the behavior of wife-beating.
This is a mixed bag, though. That same shame mechanism brings about "honor killings."
Except for the honor killings part, my wife tells me that the same thing happens in her native Philippines (a majority Catholic country). A guy who beats his wife can expect a visit from her male relatives. According to her, it's an understood part of their culture and why wife beating is rare there.
Sounds really bad, like violence is ok sometimes.
This woman is encouraging violence against women.
Especially because a good portion of violence against women is first started as violence against men. Women think they can slap, hit, or push with impunity. Sometimes a guy has had enough and clocks her in return.
rhhardin: "Woman chasing man with skillet raised is standard old-time cartoon fare. The reverse is not."
And that's part of the problem. What people don't tolerate in one direction they consider a joke if it's in the other direction. That needs to stop.
sfc mac: "No one can do anything to you (domestic violence) without your continued permission. I grew up in a home where it occured on a regular basis, and I will not tolerate it in mine. I had a former boyfriend try it with me, and I sent him to the emergency room for stitches. I left soon afterward."
Sounds good in the abstract, sfc. The problem is: in many places, if a man uses force to defend himself against a violent woman, he's the one who goes to jail. That needs to stop, too. We should judge people by their actions and not grade on a curve of who is heavier, taller, or stronger.
Well. I guess I now know at least one woman who deserves to be beaten. Yeah, I know. Nobody deserves to be beaten, blah, blah. But my goodness what a miserable thing to say.
The comment I left under the "All men are pigs" heading might actually belong here.
Forget dividing society into Men & Women. Try this instead.
25% of American society (male and female included, but not necessarily equal proportions) are so f-d up they should never get married to anybody for any reason. They were not brought up right, spent too much time in dysfunctional families or watching TV.
50% of society (M & F) could get married, provided tremendous care is given to the mate selection process. Even then, a lot of work and care will be given to the relationship, because at least half of society wasn't raised with realistic expectations of both their own role and their mate's in a relationship. They have hope, but work will be a large part of the marriage.
25% of society are high-success probability mates and, unless something bizarre happens, will represent the happiest marriages in the country. They have no illusions, either about themselves or their mates. They are mature, well-adjusted adults.
Play with the numbers as you like, but when you stop looking at people through male or female eyes (or black, white, gay, straight, etc.), you will see that "brought up right" and "f-d up" are the only two classifications of society you should bother with.
I know plenty of men who need and deserve a good beating. And I know plenty of women who, if I saw them beaten, wouldn't lift a finger. These two groups are the f-d up crowd, and I no longer bother myself with them.
Sermon over. You may now visit the open bar.
I didn’t make this up but I like it. “Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them.” This seems to fit on this thread somehow.
when two people in a relationship recognises that there is abuse and sincerely want to change so they can preserve the relationship....then there is hope...and an uphill climb for both.
the politicising of violence does nothing but put men and women at odds with eachother slowly but surely tearing the family apart.
this has been the collectivist agenda for decades.
feminism, environmentalism, liberalism and such do nothing but dumb us down to the point where we actually believe nonsense and attack the ones we care about most.
It appears when a woman strikes a man, or worse, it is treated as rightful vengeance taken on all men by women of a particular mind set. I have been exposed to it, as a provocation, an effort to get me to respond in kind in order to be taken away in handcuffs from my own home, my children. My ex, aside from latent illness that could no longer be contained, was evidently also abused growing up.
But I am not so sure. She had the ability to dream stuff, and in her mind, make it real.
Long and short, the easiest way to live is alone. We all know people who have had rocky marriages with crappy endings, where the individuals ended up hating each other. It is a difficult thing to fathom, how that can happen. I know men and women both who are on their second, even third marriage. And yeah, they are unhappy in marriage even now.
I am reminded of the humorous but biting motivational poster that says something close to "the only constant in all your dysfunctional relationships is you".
Perhaps for some it's easier for all men to be pigs than it is to take a good long look in the mirror. Perhaps for some it is easier to say all women are bitches than it is to take a good long look in the mirror.
For me, all things considered, it is definitely easier living alone.
There's a real danger in attributing hideous comments like that of Amanda McCormick to feminism. There are plenty of women who consider themselves non-feminist, old-fashioned, and traditionalist who feel they have some sort of entitlement to hurt men, and that it is the duty of a "real man" to suck it up and "take it like a man." And there are plenty of feminists who would be appalled by someone making a joke about beating up men. There are good and bad people in every "group."
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