Friday, April 28, 2006

Interview with MENS NEWS DAILY

Today, I had the pleasure of interviewing Mike Lasalle, the editor of Mens News Daily, a news and commentary site on men's issues. I figured that the editor of a large men's news site would have his pulse on what makes (some) men tick. Here are my questions and Mr. Lasalle's responses:

1) What made you decide to start MND--was it personal, political or do you just have an interest in men's issues?

When I first encountered the divorce "system" in 1995, I observed that while women were well represented and supported as a special class within the system, men were rarely acknowledged except in their capacity as income earners.

I also discovered a network of judges, lawyers, social workers, non-governmental organizations, and court-appointed evaluators. All were called to serve the needs of Judges and their protocols, and all were dependent on the State (and each other) for referrals and new business. Virtually all of these players operated under the pre-conceived notion that the State had already assumed the role of "father" under Parens Patriae. My role - the role I was given but did not want - was to be that of a quiet surf, too proud or too shamed to raise a voice in protest.

In my experience, family court was really Trial by Ordeal - and, instead of helping my family through a difficult circumstance, the system instead seemed bent on making it much worse. Not surprisingly, I also found that support for fathers within the system was virtually absent. Using the web, I learned of many other men and fathers around the globe whose experience with family court - and other branches of the legal system - was as Kafka-esque as my own.

While my experience has acquainted me with so-called "men's rights issues", MND itself is not affiliated with any men's organizations and is solely the product of my own imagination. The site is the manifestation of my conclusion that the rules-of-engagement between the sexes is so murky and in such flux right now, you need a daily news source just to keep up with it.

2) What are the demographics of men on your site--are they married, single, divorced? What are their age ranges? What issues are the men interested in--child custody, marriage, men's rights?

It's about an 80%-20 distribution between men and women.

Our users span a range of demographic particulars - but I expect that most support what I support: liberty of expression in an free marketplace of ideas.

3) Men are marrying less and less. Do you have any insight from your readers as to why they do not want to marry? Fewer men are going to college; any insight into why not? More men between the ages of 22 and 34 are living at home--what is the general concensus from your readers as to why?

I think many men learn about the state of marriage the hard way - through painful experience. It's difficult to convey basic facts about the average man's prospects, since young men often believe they are the exceptions. But the raw facts are simple enough: the average American man is likely to be divorced at least once in his lifetime. And there's the rub: men and women across our society think marriage vows are situational. So, in place of a sacred union, marriage has become an expensive-to-dissolve legal contract whose disposition effects the children, the estate, and the future earning power of the disenfranchised party. (At least the wedding party was a blast...)

Fewer men are going to college because the fast track to education is reserved for the 'disadvantaged' sex - women. Men are thus squeezed to fit the new agenda, thereby themselves becoming a disadvantaged underclass: college graduation rates for men are fast approaching a lopsided 40% compared to women.

Title IX is a clear example of gender-conscious social engineering. The furor caused by Larry Summers' comments last year regarding women in science - and the dull apologies that followed - is another fair testament. On the other hand " slacker men" hits a nerve as a caricature because American men really do seem to be throwing-in the towel on starting a family or planning beyond their own needs in life.

Some say the evils of radical feminism are responsible for men's troubles nowadays. That may be true, but in my opinion "radical feminism" is a symptom of men's malaise, not its cause.

4) How do men on your site feel about women, feminists in particular? What would a psychologist or others working with men really need to know about their psychology to make a difference in their lives?

I think the vast majority of the men visiting MND have healthy relationships with women. I don't think American men are 'angry' at women. They're angry at the social and legal customs that sometimes place women above the rules that men must follow. (Part of my job is to highlight those disparities in the stories I cover.)

I think men's psychology is fundamental: most of us are purposeful. Most of us are idealistic. Most of us are loyal. Most of us want the best for all concerned.

I think that about covers it.

5) What is the best way to advocate for men's rights and issues? Grassroots organizations, writing to politicians, protesting in the streets?

There are many organizations out there, and a quick search of the web will put you in contact with local groups.

National organizations like ACFC are a good place to start - they can put you in touch with local chapters everywhere across the country. There are many others, of course - at both the local and international level. Most are great. Caveat Emptor, of course!

64 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lasalle said, "Fewer men are going to college because the fast track to education is reserved for the 'disadvantaged' sex - women."

What is the fast track to education? How is it reserved for women? Does anyone know what he is talking about?

4:27 PM, April 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"serf" not "surf"

4:46 PM, April 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous #1 -

He is referring to college admissions procedures that are evolving to favor female-centric activities, such as grades and soft extra-curriculars, over male-centric activities, such as standardized test scores and sports achievements. There has been copious writing on these subjects, including two books.

I won't go into it here.

5:03 PM, April 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike thanks for providing information of a misandry academics and family courts as the popular media often ignores.

After three years of marriage, my wife divorced me. Privately she told me she was unhappy and I did not make her happy. Publicly she called me abusive. Blessed with an only son born May 3, 2000, Mark Anthony Ruffolo.


Without due process, but as a matter of routine, after a fifteen minute discussion before a Kane County, Illinois family judge (http://www.co.kane.il.us/judicial/assignments.htm), I was awarded four days every month to parent our son; ordered to pay $2,600 in support; $200,000 of my savings frozen; and, an order of protection entered against me for my wife.

After three years, one hundred court calls, $150,000 in legal fees, and three jobs, I lost a successful career; involved in a dozen incidents calling for police; imprisoned; filed for personal bankruptcy; car repossessed; and evicted from my apartment, but won joint custody in Illinois to which 17% of fathers win. Last February 2005, however, my wife in retaliation had my visitation suspended, and still the Kane County Circuit Clerk (http://www.cic.co.kane.il.us) refuses to accept $12,000 in proof of payments as credit for court ordered support paid.

I regret saying, "I do," but miss a son and wife. I will not re-marry, but I remain guarded around a woman.

Mark Ruffolo, MS, MBA

5:43 PM, April 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think men are marrying less and less. I think women are marrying less and less.

6:12 PM, April 28, 2006  
Anonymous Jim said...

Mark,

Sorry to hear of your troubles; they are all too common. Let me guess, the judge or judges were all men, weren't they? Did you also have a male lawyer?

6:26 PM, April 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike LaSalle was quoted as saying--

"Some say the evils of radical feminism are responsible for men's troubles nowadays. That may be true, but in my opinion "radical feminism" is a symptom of men's malaise, not its cause."

This begs for further explication.

Mike -- what do you see as the actual "cause?"

7:22 PM, April 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to understand men, try understandmen.com.

That woman understands me better than anyone in the world and I've never even meet her.

Try the book, Keys to the Kingdom for an introduction.

(The heroine is of Southern heritage. Not too often do you see a Southern hero.)

Her products are intended for woman but her insights into men are stunningly accurate.

7:30 PM, April 28, 2006  
Blogger Will said...

why are we talking about understanding men?

8:21 PM, April 28, 2006  
Blogger Sydney Carton said...

Lasalle said: "So, in place of a sacred union, marriage has become an expensive-to-dissolve legal contract whose disposition effects the children, the estate, and the future earning power of the disenfranchised party."

I'm 28 and am a wall street attorney living in Manhattan. The reason why I'm not married yet is because I haven't found the right girl yet who wasn't obsessed with material things (I'm also religious and most girls in NYC aren't). It's just too risky. I won't marry a girl until I'm REALLY sure that she's worth marrying, and the sad fact is today that many girls are not.

9:03 PM, April 28, 2006  
Anonymous Robert Mitchell Jr. said...

Dr Helen, thanks for your thoughts. Marriage is a contract. Between a women's right to choose, and no fault divorce, is marriage possible anymore?

9:52 PM, April 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FWIW, I'm a single man, college educated, financially independent due to business success. My being single has nothing to do with a fear of divorce, losing child custody battles, etc.

I live in the South and have been blessed to know a lot of grand old southern ladies - grandmothers, aunts, neighbors, mom, family friends, etc. - strong women who were down to earth and put their families, homes & husbands on a priority level above careers, pop culture and a constant need for entertainment and social activities.

Someone above said there were few women worth marrying anymore. My current state of mind is I agree with that statement. I'm looking for someone who I think has the potential to become a grand old southern lady and I'm not finding many.

10:25 PM, April 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Whatever the reason, more women apply to college, more are accepted, and more graduate. There are exceptions in a few subjects, including science, engineering, and business.

Harjeet Sekhon, Santa Clara University junior: "I've noticed in our business classes, I think the girls and boys are evenly distributed. But in my sociology class, I do see there's like two boys in a class of thirty.""

These two paragraphs point to the question I always have when I see the statement about the ratio of women to men in college: is that ratio the result of fewer men going to college, or more women going? I always see percentages, but never numbers. As the first paragraph points out, men still dominate in "hard" majors. Most male college students are there because there's an economic payoff, not for some mind broadening (in the view of some) experience.

11:02 PM, April 28, 2006  
Blogger Bill C said...

Men are not afraid of commitment, men are afraid of women who unilaterally end their commitment to men. Women initiated divorce better than 2 out of 3 times. The rational reaction is to not enter into a contract that is non-binding and can be broken without cause. More men will opt out of marriage and our society will suffer until woman stop ending marriages.

PS I married a Russian girl and she is loyal and very good to me. She has to be, her mother would kill her if she wasn't. ;-)

2:32 AM, April 29, 2006  
Blogger Cybro said...

The idea of foreign women seems like a good alternative to american women. The only problem with that is if you bring them here they become americanized and your screwed all over again. As long as the laws financially reward women to divorce then there is no benefit for a man to get married. Stay single, marriage is not worth the risk.

10:21 AM, April 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Dr Helen for posting this interview. I've been following MND since its start, and I think it does a great service for men, and women. Although they have a few forum participants and columnists who are *way* over the top (a couple near loony), all in all it's a good site.

10:23 AM, April 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

19% divorce rate between American men and foreign women. INS figure!

11:43 AM, April 29, 2006  
Blogger fourthwire said...

And anywhere between 50% and 67% divorce rate between American men and American women, depending upon the demographics.

Current new marriages in the state of California, for example divorce near 67%, for example.

Marrying foreign women provides LESS risk to America's men than marrying American women to be sure, but as Cybro points out, marriage in America simply provides no benefits to men that are not possible without marriage.

There are other aspects of marrying foreign women that ought to be called out, besides the lower risk of divorce.

Foreign brides also tend to actually know how to cook well, for example (an art that surprising numbers of American women have not bothered to learn.

Companies like KFC cater to those women in their TV commercials, with the message that instead of cooking for their families, wives and mothers are doing those families a "favor" by picking up a bucket of chicken for the family dinner.

Depending upon the foreign nation that bride was born and raised in, they tend to have generally better attitudes toward men, and children.

American men need to be taught AS teenagers that marriage provides only risks for them.

Also, the introduction of the male birth control pill/patch will go a long way toward avoiding the vaginamony/child support financial traps that our society has kindly provided for women to pillage men's bank accounts, with the muscle of the government enforcing their right to pillage men's bank accounts.

Blend the pill with those vitamins and minerals that men need, and encourage every sexually active boy and man to become a consumer of the product.

1:30 PM, April 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous #1,

Does it make much sense to talk about admission ratio without also knowing application ratio? Does anyone know what it is?

3:07 PM, April 29, 2006  
Blogger fourthwire said...

To Anonymous (7:30 PM)

Without discouraging any woman from attending any of Allison's seminars, an alternative to providing women with insights into how men think would be to tune into one of the AM or FM stations running Tom Leykis' daily radio shows, syndicated in over 50 cities across the nation.

His show has two goals:

1. to help men get more sex with less money.

2. to teach women how men think.

First-time female listeners are invariably enraged by Tom's perspectives and opinions.

More intelligent female listeners realize after listening a bit that their anger stems from the fact that his show has absolutely no roots in political correctness or feminist dogma, and that he is invariably accurate in his perspectives of men, women, and their interactions.

The fact that Tom does not pander to feminist ideology provides particular value to those listeners who are more interested in understanding men's and women's relationships than continuing myths, misguided chivalry and feminist dogma, not to mention willful ignorance.

3:16 PM, April 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Men are marrying less because:

1. It's expensive and many men simply cannot afford it; home ownership and ample income are a must and that's simply not possible in major metro areas where high paying jobs exist.

2. Women want marriage less; the roles of father and boyfriend/husband are separated. Women (and feminism here has pushed this) are more willing to be single mothers and romance a succession of men.

[This is straight out of feminist 101, everyone from Germaine Greer, Betty Friedan, Kate Millet, and Barbara Ehrenreich have called for the dissolution of the nuclear family and multiple fathers with "it takes a village" of various other people raising "the really cool people's" kids while women embark on in the words of Ehrenreich "a series of passionate and short-lived affairs"]

3. Paternity is always an issue; the old bargain which required men to commit to one woman in exchange for certainty of parentage is gone.

Thus men have no incentive to marry and raise a family; since they must navigate among women who would rather pick and choose short-term fathers and boyfriends; and themselves have no certainty absent a DNA test of paternity.

So men are simply responding to the market created by women for men. Short-term charmers who dont' commit.

9:53 PM, April 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If each man marries a woman, and men are marrying less, can we say women are therefore marrying less?

1:02 AM, April 30, 2006  
Blogger DcFather said...

Anonymous said...
If each man marries a woman, and men are marrying less, can we say women are therefore marrying less?


Not necessarily. Women are becoming more and more like my ex-wife. She has four children from four different fathers and is on her third marriage, and she is still in her thirties. For both of the ex-husbands, one marriage was enough, and that will no doubt be true for husband #3 someday soon. Equating men marrying less with women marrying less assumes there is no such thing as divorce. Women may be marrying more than ever, and why not when the financial payoff for cashing in a marriage in family court pays so well. "Men marrying less" refers to the decreasing number of men willing to sign up for the child-support, alimony, every-other-weekend-if-you-are-lucky, maybethe-kid-is-yours-maybe-not deal, although as a wise man once said, there is a sucker born every minute.

12:05 PM, April 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dcfather,

If men are marrying less, and more women than men are marrying multiple times, that means fewer women are marrying than men.

1:02 PM, April 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dcfather:

thank you. that was my point earlier.

anonymous 9:53:

so, why are women wanting marriage less? is anybody interested in this?

fourthwire:

wow. you're the answer to my question above. american men should marry foreign women because they can cook, while american women don't bother to learn anymore, huh? i'm sorry. somebody must have failed to give me my fucking job description at birth. i didn't know it was my duty to cook.

7:40 PM, April 30, 2006  
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10:18 PM, April 30, 2006  
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10:35 PM, April 30, 2006  
Blogger fourthwire said...

>>>>>wow. you're the answer to my question above. american men should marry foreign women because they can cook, while american women don't bother to learn anymore, huh?<<<<<<

Wrong (again), genius.

American men shouldn't bother to marry at all, since marriage has no benefits for men that they could not ALSO experience WITHOUT marriage.

Marriage provides plenty of risks to American men's health, wealth, sanity, and well-being, particularly those men incautious enough to marry most American women.

On the other hand, those men who insist on marrying should probably avoid marrying American women since so many of those women are "ego-centric bitches who, as soon as they have suckered a man into marriage, pork up, pop out a few kids, chop their hair short, lose interest in sex, sit on their asses watching Oprah and other daytime divas, overspending their mercenary little hearts out when they are not".

Let me know if any of those terms confuse your little mind and I will try to explain to you using smaller words.

"Cooking" is merely ONE of the skills that many (not all) American women have apparently not considered to be a high priority to bother to learn.

If you were looking for me to post a lengthy essay including ALL of the reasons why American women are usually not worth marrying, as opposed to women not born in those nations infested with feminazis, notably those nations where feminazi ideology not taught to females from girlhood, then you will be sadly disappointed.

Try visiting sites such as "americanwomensuck.com" or listening to Tom Leykis, if you care to focus on a whole array of reasons why many foreign-born brides are superior marriage material in comparison with most American women.


>>>>>i'm sorry. somebody must have failed to give me my fucking job description at birth.<<<<<

Somebody also obviously failed to tell you that you were hiding behind the door when brains were being passed out, as well....;-)


>>>>>i didn't know it was my duty to cook.<<<<

It's not your "duty" to cook, any more than it is American men's "duty" to marry the likes of you, Einstein.

It's NOT your duty to cook, nor is it your duty to marry, breed, divorce, or even continue to waste the planet's oxygen.

Try to keep up.

11:15 PM, April 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fourthwire:

i expect what is obvious to me is also obvious to everyone else reading this post.

no american woman in her right mind would have you--not for marriage or anything else. you're probably ugly, fat, poor and there's no question but that you're a raging asshole. what exactly you think you have to bring to the table is beyond me.

the only reason a foreign woman would have you, and face it, the only reason they marry american men in general, is primarily just for the citizenship.

the fact is that studies show that married men are healthier and happier than their single counterparts AND than married women. that's why men continue to get married. it's only you few who complain, you who are bitter about your inability to attract a mate.

the fact is marriage is a good deal for men but not so much for women. while i'm sure there are "ego-centric bitches" out there who follow the path you've described, the vast majority of marriages are noted by women who work outside the home full-time and still do the vast majority of the house cleaning, cooking and child-rearing. And then the husband wonders why she might not feel like fucking him anymore.

Eventually he leaves her for a younger model, telling himself the problem was her lack of libido. The new model loves to fuck him and thinks he's the greatest because she hasn't had to pick up after his ass for ten years. But eventually...

And the cycle continues.

i hope you and your little hand will have a long and happy life together, asshole. believe me, there are no women crying out here because of your insistence on staying single.

1:51 PM, May 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Without jumping too much into the pissing match, I second fourthwire's recommendation about Tom Leykis. In fact, I think that Helen should interview him-- it would make for a good article.

Interestingly, I was introduced to Leykis' show via two different women friends. They loved to listen to him. Both were smart and educated. Some women get it; some women don't.

Sadly his show is no longer on in the Seattle area.

Just Another Lurker

2:04 PM, May 01, 2006  
Anonymous Mary in LA said...

"Chop[ping] their hair short" is egocentric???

More to the point, you would rate a woman's lovability according to the length of her hair???

[goes off shaking head and thanking my lucky stars that my husband has continued to love me through long, short, and medium hair phases...]

Oh, and both my husband and I are good cooks. Eating well and entertaining friends are gender-neutral activities. ;-)

6:20 PM, May 01, 2006  
Blogger fourthwire said...

>>>>i expect what is obvious to me is also obvious to everyone else reading this post.<<<<<

In that case, be prepared to be teased for being a moron, because your opinions are YOUR OWN, and certainly NOT "everyone else reading this post".

In other words, try not to let your sense of self-importance fool you into believing that "everyone" would be stupid enough to agree with you. Certainly OTHER dimwitted bitchy critters might.


>>>>>>no american woman in her right mind would have you<<<<<

LOL..... sort of how no American man in his right mind would have you, my greasy meatball?


>>>>>ou're probably ugly, fat, poor and there's no question but that you're a raging asshole.<<<<<

Now, now, my dimwitted lardass. Just because YOU are "ugly, fat, poor and there's no question but that you're a raging asshole" is no reason to believe that I am.

Do you feed out of a trough by any chance?......;-)

Do men ask that you put a bag over your face to avoid retching in your presence?

Do people openly mock your lack of IQ by any chance?


>>>>>>what exactly you think you have to bring to the table is beyond me.<<<<

Well for starters, I am NOT a rather dimwitted porker averse to soap and water, as you likely are.


>>>>>the only reason a foreign woman would have you, and face it, the only reason they marry american men in general, is primarily just for the citizenship.<<<<<

Sort of how the only reason that your lesbian buddies are attracted to you is that years of having men retch their guts out at the sight of your snout and the odoriferous results of your chronic aversion to soap and water have finally convinced them that men are likely to avoid you, perhaps?


>>>>>>>the fact is that studies show that married men are healthier and happier than their single counterparts AND than married women.<<<<<<

Well, my silly porker, you seem to have forgotten that such "studies" typically do not factor in the one-half to two-thirds of marriages that end in divorce.

Try to dislodge your head from that great blubbery ass of yours for just a moment, if you can in order to note those little details.


>>>>>that's why men continue to get married.<<<<<

Which moron told you THAT bit of nonsense,.........

...... and why were you stupid enough to believe her, my sour sow?

Men typically get married because women often spend great amounts of energy to convince them to marry, dimbulb. Not always, but usually.


>>>>>>t's only you few who complain, you who are bitter about your inability to attract a mate.<<<<<

Wrong again, stinky. As the matter of fact, INCREASING numbers of men are not only complaining, they are avoiding marriage altogether,........

..... which even morons like yourself might notice if you could manage to get your snout out of your feeding trough once in a while.;-)


>>>>>>the fact is marriage is a good deal for men but not so much for women.<<<<<

Again.... which moron told you THAT bit of nonsense, and why are you stupid enough to believe her, porky?

If marriage is such a "good deal" for men, then why are increasing numbers of men avoiding it altogether?

Have someone a bit brighter than you seem to be explain to you how women usually profit from things like vaginamony (that's money that many divorced men pay for past use of a vagina, in case your porcine brain has trouble with the term), child support, child custody, and other benefits typically awarded to women AFTER marriage (and with one-half to two-thirds of marriages ending in divorce, those factors ARE relevant, even if dimwits like yourself have trouble understanding).

As I pointed out, marriage provides no benefits to men that those men could not also have WITHOUT marriage. None. Focus on that particular point if you can, dimbulb.


>>>>>while i'm sure there are "ego-centric bitches" out there who follow the path you've described,<<<<

Wouldn't matter if you were NOT sure, porky. Such "ego-centric bitches" (and that would include STUPID ego-centric bitches like yourself) CERTAINLY exist, and are in fact rather common in America.........

...... which is one of the reasons why I advise men who insist on marriage to look in other nations for potential wives (particularly in those nations that do not have a short tradition of producing overfed bitches like yourself.


>>>>>>the vast majority of marriages are noted by women who work outside the home full-time and still do the vast majority of the house cleaning, cooking and child-rearing.<<<<<<

Perhaps many women TRY to do all those tasks and do them well, but in fact most of them take shortcuts and don't REALLY cook so much as "microwave" or "heat" for example.

In the workplace, those are some of the same women who are unavailable for after-hours workloads to meet tight schedules.

Mind you (and try to get this point right, porky), I am not writing about CHILDLESS women who often work every bit as long and hard as most men do.

I am writing about those mythical multitasking wonders that you seem to glorify, but who usually end up trying to balance too many tasks, with half-assed results.

Mind you, you could probably lose more than half of YOUR ass without any complaints, but that's another issue, my tailed Rhodes Scholar.

Keep in mind (a theoretical issue in your case) that those women who have a home, husband, children, and work to consider HAVE CHOSEN ALL OF THESE RESPONSIBILITIES WILLINGLY.

If those women did not want to raise children while working then they ought to have held off pregnancy, at the very least.

Or did that one get by you as well, my porcine wonder?


>>>>>And then the husband wonders why she might not feel like fucking him anymore.<<<<<

In many cases, porky, it's because she already has access to his bank account and popped out a couple of children, and so she is simply feeling too lazy to bother.

Pick your snout out of the trough from time to time and even a drooling imbecile like you might notice how many women tend to change their behavior after marriage.

As soon as those women have gained access to her husband's sperm deposits for breeding and ATM card, they tend to pork up, lose interest in sex, sit on their fat asses watching Oprah, and overspend the family budget when they CAN be bothered to waddle out the door.


>>>>>>Eventually he leaves her for a younger model, telling himself the problem was her lack of libido.<<<<<

Not only “her lack of libido”, but also her laziness, her sixty extra pounds, her indifference and bitchiness.......

You missed a few more obvious points there, porky.


>>>>>>>The new model loves to fuck him and thinks he's the greatest because she hasn't had to pick up after his ass for ten years. <<<<<

The new model loves to fuck him or not but if she hasn't had to pick up after his ass for ten years, he hasn't had to pay for her ass for ten years.


>>>>>>And the cycle continues.<<<<<

Except you seem to have forgotten to mention those parts about how the husband was forced to pay vaginamony and child support to the overfed wonder who tried her best to increase their personal debt levels as well as the national debt level.......


>>>>>>i hope you and your little hand will have a long and happy life together, asshole.<<<<<

Just as I hope you stop melting vibrators every time you stick one up into the fetid depths of your orifices, my sour sow…..;-)


>>>>>>believe me, there are no women crying out here because of your insistence on staying single.<<<<<

Believe me, there are no men able to keep their lunch down whenever one is incautious enough to come downwind of you….;-)

6:39 PM, May 01, 2006  
Blogger fourthwire said...

"Without jumping too much into the pissing match, I second fourthwire's recommendation about Tom Leykis.

Can't say that I blame you.

I do agree that Helen should interview him-- it would make for an excelent article, Lurker

6:46 PM, May 01, 2006  
Blogger fourthwire said...

>>>>"Chop[ping] their hair short" is egocentric???<<<<

If you are not married, nothing that you do to yourself, however egocentric, really ought to matter.

If you are kidding yourself that most men don't care about their wives' hair length, then you are in for a bit of a surprise. Hey, you just may have married an exception to the rule.

Women's appearances matter very much to men, and it's a fair assumption that most men prefer feminine-looking women.


>>>>[goes off shaking head and thanking my lucky stars that my husband has continued to love me through long, short, and medium hair phases...]<<<<<

Whatever works for you and he.......;-)

Are you just as tolerant of his choice of appearances?

Many women (and I do not assume that you are among those women, btw) have no problems choosing for themselves, but they do not like to grant their husbands the same freedoms as they allow themselves.


>>>>Oh, and both my husband and I are good cooks.<<<<<<

Perhaps so. There's no reason why you both should NOT be "good cooks".

On the other hand, most likely he's better at traditionally male-oriented household tasks, involving auto repair, home maintenance, carpentery, masonry, home defense, etc.

And as "liberating" as most women feel when their husbands wash dishes and cook, most of those women are nowhere to be found when the car needs maintenance or it's 2 AM and she hears footsteps downstairs.


>>>>>Eating well and entertaining friends are gender-neutral activities. ;-)<<<<<

No arguments there, mary in la.

Mind you, "cooking" and "eating well" are different activities.

cheers!

7:04 PM, May 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fourthwire:

I notice you didn't bother to actually deny my charge. It is clear that you are indeed ugly, fat and poor and without any qualities whatsoever that would make you attractive to any woman, which is saying alot since women are, in general, a pretty open-minded gender when it comes to seeing redeeming qualities in men.

I do so wish you could see me. Contrary to your lame attempts to be insulting, I am neither fat, nor ugly, nor stupid, nor, hey, poor! I feel confident, in fact, that if you saw me out and thought you had a snowball's chance in hell, which you don't, you would hit on me.

I have been married, in fact. And guess what? My ex and I are still very good friends. We talk several times a week. In fact, I am friends with most of my ex-lovers. Now, it's possible (as my current YOUNGER boyfriend will tell you) that they only stay friendly in hopes to get with me again. I won't deny that some of them continue to flirt with me and two actually continue to ask me to marry them. But after over ten years, I find it hard to believe that those hopes are really the only reason.

The current boyfriend is not only younger, btw, but built like and Adonis. Oh, and last year I dated a 23 year old. I'm 37 by the way.

Oh, and I have a Bachelor's and two post-graduate degrees. I'd be more than happy to compare ACT, SAT or GRE scores.

So, what state do you live in, my little troll? I say we plan a meeting.

As for men being manipulated into marriage by women, what--are men really that stupid?

And despite your claims that men are choosing to avoid marriage, I say to you again--it is WOMEN who are choosing to stay unmarried.

And your retort is that married women with children don't so much cook as microwave and "heat"? That's your argument, buddy? And "she" chose to have children?
Clearly, the descriptors "insane", "irrational" and "pathological" should be added to your list.

So, what state do you live in, my little troll? I say we plan a meeting.

2:23 PM, May 02, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just love all the fighting about why this that and the other thing cause this that and the other thing.

What it really gets down it is simple. Our social and political enviroments are anti-father and anti-male (Misandrist) and this develop as a result of pandering to the whiners of the two genders, women. This is motivated by social or political goals with no morale base.

If women ever expect to be equal in society, they need to pick up their asses and shovel some crap rather than shoveling their crap at our asses. Not that I really care.

A dead guy formerly known as Dan Curry.

R.I.P. Dan Curry (2003)

2:59 PM, May 02, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This problem started a very very long time ago.

Perhaps some of you remember the story of 'Adam' and 'Eve'?

Eve was a companion to Adam given by God, to care for much like God cared for Adam in the Garden.

Eve was his responsibility.

Now had Adam confronted Eve when she revealed the evil she done and punished her promptly, we wouldn't be in the position we are today.

The problem would have been resolved something like this:

Adam: Eve, where have you been?

Eve: Adam, you are naked, I can see your wanker.

Adam: Have you been eating from the forbidden tree?

Eve: You're balls are really big

Adam: You have done evil, you must be punished (SMACK)

Eve: You big brute.

Adam: (SMACK SMACK SMACK)

Eve: You bastard

Adam: (SMACK SMACK SMACK)

Eve: (finger pointed in Adams face)I dare you to do that again

Adam: (SMACK SMACK SMACK)

Eve: That's it, you aren't getting any tonight.

Adam: (SMACK SMACK SMACK)

GOD: WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.

Eve: Adam is Naked and I can see his wanker

GOD: Eve, you have eaten from the forbidden tree, you must be punished.

Adam: No problem Lord, I've already punished her

GOD: Yes, Very well. I see you have done your part, now I must do mine. Eve, childbirth will be a burden, painful and harsh, you'll bleed once a month and have severe cramps as a reminder of your sin. You will be obligated to bring Adam Beer and snacks while he watches ball games with his buddies. And he shall dominate the remote control.....

Eve: But but but

GOD: AND OFF WITH YOUR TONGUE

The Former Dan Curry

3:54 PM, May 02, 2006  
Blogger fourthwire said...

>>>>fourthwire:

I notice you didn't bother to actually deny my charge.<<<<

Was "your charge" worth reading, let alone remembering?


>>>>>It is clear that you are indeed ugly, fat and poor and without any qualities whatsoever that would make you attractive to any woman, which is saying alot since women are, in general, a pretty open-minded gender when it comes to seeing redeeming qualities in men.<<<<

Sort of how "it is clear" that you are a stupid porker with an aversion to soap, a snout that would gag a maggot, and who waddles rather than strides?


>>>>The current boyfriend is not only younger, btw, but built like and Adonis. Oh, and last year I dated a 23 year old. I'm 37 by the way.<<<<<

Be serious porky. Swine don't live that long.....;-)


>>>>>I do so wish you could see me.<<<<

Only if you promise to keep the bag over your head and allow me to stand upwind, thank you.


>>>>>Contrary to your lame attempts to be insulting, I am neither fat, nor ugly, nor stupid, nor, hey, poor!<<<<<<

No more contrary than your own "lame attempts to be insulting", porky....... or have you already forgotten your own post?


>>>>>>I feel confident, in fact, that if you saw me out and thought you had a snowball's chance in hell, which you don't, you would hit on me.<<<<<

YOU "feel confident"????..... I suppose that it's possible, my sour sow, but only if I have been blinded, deafened, and my sense of smell temporarily suspended, and only after I had been administered enough hallucinogens to disorient a herd of hippos.


>>>>>Oh, and I have a Bachelor's and two post-graduate degrees. I'd be more than happy to compare ACT, SAT or GRE scores.<<<<<

Did any of those degrees work, porky?
Did you manage to learn anything?


>>>>>>So, what state do you live in, my little troll?<<<<<<

So.... which pen does the farmer keep you in, my great obesse and smelly porker?


>>>>>>I say we plan a meeting.<<<<<

I say you swallow cyanide and make the world a slightly cleaner place, while raising the marginal IQ of YOUR state.

What makes you believe that you are worth "meeting", my overfed "genius"?


>>>>>>As for men being manipulated into marriage by women, what--are men really that stupid?<<<<<<<<

The correct question would be: are men really that stupid and are some women really that slimy, porky.........

...... and the answer is fairly obvious : SOMETIMES (on both counts).

Waddle over to someone or something a bit brighter than you seem to be and have them explain that perspective.


>>>>>>>And despite your claims that men are choosing to avoid marriage, I say to you again--it is WOMEN who are choosing to stay unmarried.<<<<<

Focus please, buffalo-breath. More and more men ARE choosing to avoid marriage, except in the space between your ears.

I did NOT post that all women are choosing to marry.

Attempt to THINK about that while you are wallowing in the mud or have your snout buried in your feeding trough.


>>>>>And your retort is that married women with children don't so much cook as microwave and "heat"? That's your argument, buddy? <<<<<

No, my porcine Rhodes Scholar. Fewer and fewer women in America are cooking and that's a "fact", not an "argument".


>>>>>>And "she" chose to have children?<<<<<

With 11 forms of birth control available to her........

...... plus the ability to abort, abandon at a hospital or fire station within 72 hours of delivery, and the ability to place any unwanted children up for adoption, it's a fair bet that "she" chose to have children, my demented porker.


>>>>Clearly, the descriptors "insane", "irrational" and "pathological" should be added to your list.<<<<

Very well, if you insist. You not only are an obese porker, unaware of the advantages of "soap and water", and likely making the floor tremble while you waddle, you are also insane, irrational and a pathological nutjob, porky.


>>>>>So, what state do you live in, my little troll?<<<<<

Which state do you live in, my obese and smelly imbecile?


>>>>>I say we plan a meeting.<<<<

Only if I am allowed to stand upwind of you......

Are you going to suggest guns or swords?...;-)

5:31 PM, May 02, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 2;23,

Stop picking on Fourthwire. Go after people who can defend themselves. Nobody likes a bully.

5:53 PM, May 02, 2006  
Blogger fourthwire said...

>>>>>Stop picking on Fourthwire.<<<<

Relax, I was just teasing the moron. She might seem dangerous, but only to those downwind of her.


>>>>>Go after people who can defend themselves. <<<<

Or more correctly, don't "go after people", try going snout-to-snout with the hog in the next pen, instead....;-)


>>>>>Nobody likes a bully.<<<<

Not many are fond of dull-witted swine, either.....;-)

6:39 PM, May 02, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous 5:53:

oh alright... since it had become clear after the original post that he's not competent to defend himself.

7:46 PM, May 02, 2006  
Blogger fourthwire said...

>>>>>oh alright... since it had become clear after the original post that he's not competent to defend himself.<<<<<

Sort of how YOU are not "competent" enough to fill your own feeding trough?...;-)

8:00 PM, May 02, 2006  
Anonymous MissJean said...

I feel bad just reading some of the comments. One of my brothers is a young bachelor and has met all sorts of women who are financial leeches. He's looking for a smart woman who knows about loyalty and gut-level decency, and I'm beginning to think he won't find it.

I think that one of the problems is that more and more Americans don't have the experience of witnessing a good marriage. My parents have been married over 40 years; my grandparents were married 60 years and 76 years, respectively. Too many of my peers grew up through divorces and their aftermaths, and they have no idea what makes marriage good. It's the same thing that makes young men and women look at babies as a big liability, when in fact they should be a great blessing.

5:26 PM, May 04, 2006  
Anonymous Steven Damron said...

Dr. Helen

Thank You for writing this article
on Men and fathers!! Us Men and
Fathers are fighting in a war
to protect ALL of our freedom.
Yet Men and Fathers have little
to no rights when it comes to protecting our children from
murderous abortion.Yet we are called dead beat dads if we
do not support, provide, and protect our children.Most women
use children as meal tickets and
free rides,And they do NOT have to
suffer and pay for there consequences!!!!! But a Man does!!
it seems to me that women have
choices and Men and Fathers just
have mear responsabilities!!!!!
DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3:34 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous STEVEN DAMRON said...

DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!!!!!!!!
NOT FAIR FOR MEN!!!!!!!!!!!
I HAVE NEVER MET A HAPPY FEMINIST!!
MOST ALL WOMEN DO IS COMPLAIN!!!!
WOMEN HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN MEN
BUT WANT TO HAVE EQUAL PAY,EQUAL
OPPORTUNITIES.AND ON AND ON!!!
MEN AND FATHERS NAVE TO LEARN NOT
TO CAVE IN TO THESE WOMEN.I SAY
MOST MEN NEED TO QUIT GIVING IN
TO EVERYTHING THAT MOST WOMEN
WANT, QUIT PAYING THEM ATTENTION,
QUIT BUYING THEM THINGS,LET THEM
BUY YOU THINGS,QUIT OPENING THE DOORS FOR THEM, LET THEM OPEN SOME
FOR YOU!!! IM NOT SAYING TURN GAY,
BUT THATS WHAT SOME WOMEN WOULD LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE SO YOU CAN CAVE
IN TO THERE DEMANDS!!! BUT I SAY
STOP DOING EVERYTHING FOR THEM!!!
DO AWAY WITH DOUBLE STANDARDS!!!
MEN AND FATHERS POWER!!!!!!!!

3:45 PM, May 07, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow...so much confusion among the men. And so much pure, 100% American female bile.

Glad I married my Ukrainian wife. Blonde hair, blue eyes, 5'4", 115 lbs, degree in literature, speaks 3 languages, cooks, cleans, and loves me just the way I am.

Look guys, the verdict in in. Judgement has been made, by we men. American females are the worst on the planet. But the planet is a big place!

Get off your duff, save up a few thousand, take a flight to South America (I recommend Quito Equador or maybe Florianapolis Brazil) and find out what REAL women are like.

Dont buy into the bull the American females push. They only want you to be as miserable and hatefull as they have become.

Just point, laugh, and shop elsewhere.

Also, dont believe the "foreign girls only want citizenship" lies. So what are the American females attracted to, your sparkling personality? HAH!

Once my wife gets her permanent green card, we have both decided we are getting the hell out of America, returning only for business or family concerns.

Do some research, chat up a few girls, pick one to meet with, eventually you will find a keeper. And best of all, you will actually enjoy the process!

Wake up, American men, the real women out there are seeking you! NEVER let diseased, neurotic, flabby American females define your value!

You can do it, I am living proof.

12:51 PM, May 16, 2006  
Anonymous Dr. Suck It up said...

So, as I sit hear reading and trying to get info and a little help I find an article that have some worth. But then as I read I start to see High School pissing matches. Not between punks and preps but now it’s between jaded men and women. If you look HONESTLY you will find a good person. If you are a good person and you both work your stupid asses off life with the other sex wouldn't suck for you all. Tom Leykis does have some good ideas, every one does if you just STFU and open your ears. He grated on me a bit but I listened and started to see where he was coming from, though a bit base.

My wife wants a "short separation" to clean house(separations rarely work) but I am doing my part by going through my self, whole sale, and getting my #$*&%$&*$ cleaned up. If it fails because I didn’t do my best with what I got then I F'd up and failed and the same for her. If you all allow this excuse to rule you then this world is a better place because you all don't bread. Relationships fail because BOTH PEOPLE stopped working at it.

Women are great, men are great. The majority of women (according to our female counselor) have unrealistic ideals and get into a Cinderella dream. Men are bull headed and inattentive. Wait, that would mean that both are pig headed selfish ignorant people.

No wonder both sexes dislike the other and date in an adversarial way.

6:02 AM, September 06, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With regard to the "college admissions procedures " mentioned above, I find it curious that sports is considered a male-centred activity.
Hardly a wonder women have "body issues" or that female, sports professionals earn less. A case of demanding equal outcomes, rather than merely opportunities.

4:12 PM, February 10, 2007  
Blogger IN SEARCH OF FATHERHOOD(R) said...

Maybe it’s me. Maybe this has been going on for a very long time and I finally caught on. But there is something going on. What am I talking about?

How many of you watched the televised proceedings of the 2008 Republican National Convention during the week of 1 September 2008 and the 2008 Democratic National Convention during the week of 25 August 2008? Did you notice anything, shall we say, “different” or “unusual”?

Well, there was a lot of talk about Fathers and Fatherhood on both sides of the aisle. I have been watching televised proceedings of both the Democratic and Republican National Conventions for years and I cannot recall when I have heard Presidential Candidates or their wives talk about Fathers and Fatherhood.

For what, to my knowledge, is the first time, Fathers and Fatherhood was discussed in speeches given by very high profile individuals at the 2008 Democratic and Republican National Conventions. And this discussion of Fathers and Fatherhood which occurred at the 2008 Democratic and Republican National Conventions not only demonstrates that Fatherhood transcends boundaries, but it also sends a clear signal that Fathers and Fatherhood have moved to the center of the national political radar screen.

On Thursday, 4 September 2008 in St. Paul, Minnesota, Mrs. Cindy McCain, the wife of Republican Party Presidential Nominee and United States Senator John Sidney McCain III, gave an electrifying speech in which she talked about her Father and shared some of the life lessons she learned from him.

Here is what Mrs. McCain had to say about Fatherhood and her Father:

“My Father was a true ‘Western Gentleman’. He rose from hardscrabble roots to realize the American dream. With only a few borrowed dollars in his pocket, a strong back and a can-do spirit, he built a great life for his family. His handshake was his solemn oath. He looked you straight in the eye and he always believed the best of you unless you gave him good cause not to. Modest and good-natured, he had deep roots in our American soil. He taught me life is not just about you - it’'s also about nurturing the next generation … preparing a better world for all our children and helping them find the right way up . . ..”

On Monday, 25 August 2008 in Denver, Colorado, Mrs. Michelle Obama, the wife of Democratic Party Presidential Nominee and United States Senator Barack Obama rendered a powerful and soulfully riveting keynote speech during which she talked about her Father who, under the most excruciatingly challenging set of circumstances, empowered and strengthened his family and positively shaped the minds and souls of his children.

Mrs. Obama had this to say about her Father:

" . . . My dad was our rock. Although he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in his early thirties, he was our provider, our champion, our hero. As he got sicker, it got harder for him to walk, it took him longer to get dressed in the morning. But if he was in pain, he never let on. He never stopped smiling and laughing — even while struggling to button his shirt, even while using two canes to get himself across the room to give my Mom a kiss. He just woke up a little earlier, and worked a little harder . . .."

And on Thursday, 28 August 2008 at Invesco Stadium in Denver, Colorado, Democratic Presidential Nominee and United States Senator Barack Obama in his acceptance speech entitled, “The American Promise”, talked about “a renewed sense of responsibility”.

What does this have to do with America’s promise, our children, and Fathers? An excerpt from Democratic Presidential Nominee and United States Senator Barack Obama’s speech helps us to “connect the dots”:

" . . . And Democrats, we must also admit that fulfilling America's promise will require more than just money. It will require a renewed sense of responsibility from each of us to recover what John F. Kennedy called our "intellectual and moral strength." Yes, government must lead on energy independence, but each of us must do our part to make our homes and businesses more efficient. Yes, we must provide more ladders to success for young men who fall into lives of crime and despair. But we must also admit that programs alone can't replace parents; that government can't turn off the television and make a child do her homework; that fathers must take more responsibility for providing the love and guidance their children need . . .."

Fatherhood. It transcends the boundaries of politics, culture, religion, language, ethnicity and economics.

And now Fatherhood has moved to the center of the national political radar screen.

D.A. Sears
Managing Editor - IN SEARCH OF FATHERHOOD(R)

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