Friday, February 04, 2011

If you save a few lives and ruin thousands of others, is it worth it?

Christina Hoff Sommers, author of Who Stole Feminism?: How Women Have Betrayed Women, has a good article in USA Today on false domestic violence stats and why they are so harmful:
But when the BBC journalists presented the deputy chief constable, Carmel Napier, from the town of Gwent with evidence that the World Cup abuse campaign was based on twisted statistics, she replied: "If it has saved lives, then it is worth it."

It is not worth it. Misinformation leads to misdirected policies that fail to target the true causes of violence. Worse, those who promulgate false statistics about domestic violence, however well-meaning, promote prejudice. Most of the exaggerated claims implicate the average male in a social atrocity. Why do that? Anti-male misandry, like anti-female misogyny, is unjust and dangerous. Recall what happened at Duke University a few years ago when many seemingly fair-minded students and faculty stood by and said nothing while three innocent young men on the Duke Lacrosse team were subjected to the horrors of a modern-day witch hunt.

The Duke accusers used the same tired stereotyped collective guilt to make false claims. I am so sick of people saying "if it saves one life, it's worth it." That is no justification for lying about domestic violence statistics, and then using this lie to treat men without due process and take away their rights as citizens of the US. How can you save lives by lying about the problem? Careers, maybe, but not lives.



Blogger TMink said...

This is that typical leftist disregard of the facts and truth. Only the narrative matters to them, so they lie freely, often, and without shame. It is Godless.


6:22 PM, February 04, 2011  
Blogger Michael K said...

Typically, this has been most prevalent in colleges where some really weird cases have appeared. One was this kid who was called by a girl he knew and asked to come over to her dorm room. When he arrived , she was nude from the waist up. They began to have intercourse and at a point just before orgasm, she asked him to stop. He said something like, "Just a few seconds more." That was enough to make it rape.

Thank god I'm not a college student now. We didn't get much sex but we felt secure in dating.

6:39 PM, February 04, 2011  
Blogger David Foster said...

Lying is considered justified by those who view themselves as an elite with superior wisdom who must manipulate the less-intelligent for their own benefit.

In Koestler's novel Darkness at Noon, a Communist interrogator explains to his victim that it is necessary for the Party to greatly oversimplify, to paint the "good" in letters of pure gold and the "bad" as blacker than black. Strict attention to truth neither necessary nor desirable.

8:00 PM, February 04, 2011  
Blogger kmg said...

Feminism is nothing more than a hate cult, devoted to turning the bottom 90% of men into slaves who have no rights, but toil in order to prop up the infrastructure needed for women to all mate with the top 10% of men.

Helen, you need to go read Roissy's archives for a month. He explains how women just don't view men outside the top 10% as fully human. They are meant to be slaves at best and exterminated as vermin at worst.

Also, there is no ideology more immersed in projection than feminism. Just about everything they say betrays a desire to inflict sadistic harm on innocent men.

8:06 PM, February 04, 2011  
Blogger Tscottme said...

I no longer believe charges of politically-correct infractions any more. A noose is almost always a hoax. "Rape" may just be a regret, if not a weapon of revenge.

8:38 PM, February 04, 2011  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad defended the decision by noting Iranian women are far better off than women in the West. "What is left of women's dignity in the West?" he asked. He then came up with a statistic to drive home his point: "In Europe almost 70% of housewives are beaten by their husbands."


2:16 AM, February 05, 2011  
Blogger Francis W. Porretto said...

Thank you, Helen. It's high time someone said this.

Word eventually gets around. He who tries to stifle the word, or who tries to distort the message in service to some agenda, is fomenting hatred, division, and ultimately, violence. Yet the folks doing this wear a self-awarded halo for the nobility of their aims. It is to laugh.

6:31 AM, February 05, 2011  
Blogger SGT Ted said...

Thats because its not about "feminism", it's about advancing leftism.

7:29 AM, February 05, 2011  
Blogger Don said...

On a more pedantic and maybe less helpful note, if they can point to one life saved by the measure, but two lives were lost to it, even indirectly, then it has NOT "saved just one life." It has COST one life in that case.

If you save 100 people and lose 1000, you haven't saved 100 in any realistic sense. What you have done is trade the loss of 900 lives for the ability to have some impact on WHICH lives are lost and which are saved.

10:32 AM, February 05, 2011  
Blogger Don said...

Gun nuts know all about this fun and enlightening "if it saves just one life" argument because we've been getting it plonked on our heads by lazy thinkers all our lives (literally all my life, anyway--I was born in 1978, and the meme was well-established long before that.)

10:34 AM, February 05, 2011  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This type of thinking may also be behind the global warming scare. Sure, we fudge the stats and invent unlikely, apocalyptic scenarios - but it's worth it if helps us Save the Planet.

12:09 PM, February 05, 2011  
Blogger JBL said...

So fascinating that articles like the one cited here are juxtaposed with articles reporting the decrease in men's aggregate libido, and attributing that decrease to the availability of online porn.

Evidently, more and more men would rather jerk off to a nice, safe, two-dimensional image, than take their chances with a real woman who is quite likely to destroy his life with phony allegations of violence, rape, or paternity.

Imagine that.

11:20 PM, February 05, 2011  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't help but believe that women who buy the entire feminist package lock, stock, and barrel (as is and without examination) are no more than useful idiots.

I also believe that it is just totally impossible for men and women to understand each other at times. Just as I believe we should never give up trying.

Oh, and I still hate blogger. It never accepts my post first time. Never.

8:43 AM, February 06, 2011  
Blogger GawainsGhost said...

Lost in this discussion is the origin of feminism. It grew out of the radical movement of the 60s, which was heavily influenced by communist propaganda.

The problem was that the guys leading the movement were horribly sexist. They looked upon girls as nothing more than cooks, maids and whores, who were expected to service them sexually upon demand.

So the girls decided to start their own radical movement in the 70s. Thus, feminism was born.

It's not very hard to understand, actually it's quite simple--just take the opposite and throw a fit. Marriage is slavery, husbands are tyrants, men are pigs, sex is rape, pregnancy is a disease, a fetus is a parasite, a child is a burden. There's nothing feminine about any of it.

This movement was the worst thing that could have possibly happened to women. It has destroyed families and relationships in its attempt to render men obsolete. Women suffer for that more than men, and deservedly so.

10:05 AM, February 06, 2011  
Blogger Trust said...

Given how harmful feminism has been to women and how the biggest beneficiaries have been men who want a variety of sex from smorgasboard of women that they dont' even have to treat well, I wonder if feminists are secret agents for games. Or perhaps just hilariously stupid.

3:45 PM, February 06, 2011  
Blogger Trust said...

I mean "secret agents for gamers"

3:46 PM, February 06, 2011  
Blogger pst314 said...

Infamous sixties radical Stokely Carmichael is reputed to have said that the only "position of women in the movement is prone." Although the accuracy of this attribution is questioned, it is indeed true that the male radicals tended to be utter pigs in their treatment of women.

Funny, isn't it, GawainsGhost, how communism is often no more than an excuse to treat people like dirt.

8:01 AM, February 07, 2011  
Blogger Aurelian said...

This very issue led to the end of my marriage. We managed to get on foreclosure a 6000 sq. ft. house and 24 acres cheap. I wanted to set aside a space just for myself. My ex assumed that the whole house was hers to do with as she pleased. I didn't give a damn inch and she just got crazier and crazier. Just met her craziness with reasoned argument that drove her insane. I lost the house in divorce but kept my pensions and she is living in penury and is disabled while the house falls down around her. Her mind was exposed at trial when she stated from the stand that she deserves everything and I deserve nothing. Funny that in the divorce decree the judge spent the whole order castigating her for living in another world. Another denizen of the tough shit file.

11:46 AM, February 07, 2011  
Blogger Dr.Alistair said...

feminism came from the suffragette movement a 100 years ago. it was re-vistited in the radical `60s and will be re-born again in another generation as civil-war between the sexes...once women discover that they can control the sperm supply without living men.

sorry for the bleak outlook, but it seems that as women get more they want more.

and aurelian, even though the judge admonished your ex, he still gave her the house.

2:52 PM, February 07, 2011  
Blogger MarkD said...

The faculty at Duke did not "stand by and do nothing." They condemned innocent men, and when presented with proof of their innocence, redoubled their accusations.

I hold Duke in the highest disregard.

5:58 PM, February 07, 2011  

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