Tuesday, March 09, 2010

"These women are not so much welfare queens as matriarchal dynasties..."

A reader sends in this article from Times Online about the new generations of male-free homes:

Are men surplus to requirements? The answer, after more than half a century of feminism and the welfare state, depends largely on class. Men from the employable and educated classes are still in strong demand among women. But much lower down the socioeconomic scale, among the least privileged, men have become — or have come to seem — entirely optional.

As many of these women become grandmothers, a new pattern has emerged of three generations of mothers without a man in the house — lone granny, lone mum and fatherless children, all expecting the state to stand in for daddy, as of right. These women are not so much welfare queens as matriarchal dynasties of welfare Amazons...

The culture is passed on, as you might expect. Lone grannies are significantly more likely to have lone and workless daughters than grannies with husbands or employment, and the same is true of their daughters’ daughters. Baby daughters (and baby sons, too) are imbibing with their mother’s milk the idea that men, like jobs, are largely unnecessary in any serious sense.

The problem with this new type of extended family, Dench says, is that it is not self-sustaining but tends to be parasitic on conventional families in the rest of society. In fact, it appears to lead inexorably to the nightmare of an unproductive dependent underclass.

Nightmare for the poor and for the conventional families who support them but perhaps a boondoggle for the political class. Isn't this what socialism is all about?


Blogger Topher said...

Hypergamy in action - these women can't snag 100% of a "top dog" alpha male, so instead of trading down to an attentive lesser male, they will simply take the top dog's sperm and go on with their lives.

Clearly this is a self-fulfilling prophecy; more men imitate the behavior, and the majority of men, getting the message they aren't wanted, don't become responsible father figures.

I've said it before - we have so many people growing up in broken homes and with fathers denigrated that what was previously a typical "experience" of black America is about to become a part of regular white American life. There's really no going back from that.

8:50 AM, March 09, 2010  
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9:21 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger pdwalker said...

Ah, the bright side of Welfare.

Imagine, getting more of what you pay for. Who'd a thunk it?

9:22 AM, March 09, 2010  
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9:22 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...

On a semi-related note: I was bait and switched this morning when I clicked on an article titled "how to stop being a needy girlfriend." Turns out it's not written for a woman, it's written for a needy woman's boyfriend!

It starts with more of this "it's always the man's fault" crap:

"Hartwell's argument: That a woman becomes needy only when a man stops making her feel secure in the relationship, and that there are five very simple things a man can do to bring his girlfriend's sense of security back."

Anyone who's been paying attention and is over the age of 25 knows this isn't true. There are needy people everywhere, who try to use future partners to fill previous emotional gaps.

This article is doubly damaging because it not only induces a guilt complex in men, it teaches women that it's the man's job to "make her feel secure" rather than emotional well-being being someone's own responsibility. In a way, it's more of this chauvinistic "you gotta get a man!" preaching.

My point is not that it's always a woman's fault rather than always a man's fault. The point is that sometimes it's not the man's fault, the woman is not ready for the level of intimacy or is just plain nuts.


9:30 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger Larry J said...

Two friends of mine are teachers with experience in Alabama and Mississippi. Almost 20 years ago, they told me they'd just enrolled their first 5th generation welfare student in the local middle school. For five generations, the family was dependent on welfare. By now, there's certain to be at least a 6th and maybe even a 7th generation.

Welfare is both a way of life and a mindset. When I taught at a small town school, I had some exceptionally bright 10th graders and a class of 8th graders who were functionally illiterate and innumerate. Two of the 10th graders were especially impressive and I managed to track them down a few years ago to see how they're doing. One is a civil engineer and the other an assistant professor of cardio-thoracic surgery at Emory University.

One day at lunch, I asked about the differences between the classes. How could one group be so good and the other so dismal coming from the same town and school system? I was told that the 8th graders were almost exclusively from welfare dependent families. The only reason they were in school was that state law required it until age 16. As soon as they turned 16, most of them were likely to drop out of school and get on welfare themselves. They lived comfortably enough on welfare and didn't have to work, so why bother with an education?

When the future surgeon came by my class one afternoon to get an assignment, I made the comment that he was a young man who was going places. The 8th graders derided him for "acting white."

Welfare is far from a black only thing and certainly not limited to the South. My oldest son fell into the system and it's taking a lot of effort on our part to get him out of the mindset.

9:38 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger TMink said...

Ah the sting of unintended consequences. Generations of wasted lives, living on the people's teat.


9:40 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger pdwalker said...

Oh, I forgot the bright side.

These women are sure to vote reliably democrat so they will keep asking and getting more of the same.

9:42 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger I R A Darth Aggie said...

There's really no going back from that.

Actually, there is. It'll be a painful and rather unpleasant process, but it can be done.

Sadly, it seems to be coming sooner than later.

10:06 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger blahga the hutt said...

Darth Aggie,

We're about a generation removed from what's happening in Britain. They're already a lost cause. Liberal Socialism and Feminism has created an environment over there that is ripe for eventual takeover by the Muslims. It's simply a matter of time. Demographics alone will take care of that. The question is whether we really want to follow suit over here across the pond?

All of this irresponsible nonsense has a way of eventually being made "right." Unfortunately, as you pointed out, it'll be a way that we will not like at all.

10:25 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger GawainsGhost said...

Well, what people these days, especially women, refuse to acknowledge is that what separates humans from animals is fatherhood.

Problem is that recognizing that simple truth would require respect for men, which is in short supply these days.

10:25 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger JosephineMO7 said...

Sadly not all of these woman are living without the man in the home.. My sister for instance.. Anytime I call her and mention I have a problem or something bad happens she knows just the government program to fix it. We were all raised on welfare by our mother and 2 of us own our own homes and only one is on welfare. Out of all 7 of my dads kids (5 from my mother and 2 from another) she is the only one on state help.

We decided we wanted something better and worked for it and she took the easy way. Having a meth/pot head husband around to mooch off what she got from the government didn't help. In fact she has a nursing license that she has earned. Used to have a job and everything, did real well. For some reason she has a mindset that she needs him.. And she is willing to let him wreck her life to keep him around.

The rest of us siblings have no idea what to do about it all. If we can do anything.

Her oldest is working on his very own criminal record when my oldest, a month younger, wouldn't even dream of taking a quarter out of my purse without asking..

WE just don't understand what happened different in our heads that didn't happened in hers? It is baffling.

IF the welfare system ended tomorrow though I can guarantee you she would put the prick out and get a job.. It is just too easy for both of them to live that way with a guaranteed check.

10:56 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...


I'm sorry to hear about your sister's situation. It is sad when someone thinks they can't live without someone else, when that someone else is a destructive taker contributing nothing to their life.

11:14 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger Larry J said...

Many years ago, I read an analysis of welfare benefits by state compared to the hourly wage a person would have to make just to break even. It varied widely by state, but in many states, a person would've required a job paying over $17 an hour to break even with the combined housing allowance, welfare payment, food stamps, AFDC, etc. Since a high percentage of welfare dependents have little in the way of marketable job skills, the chances of them earning that kind of money are just about nil. The result is welfare dependency.

Just as an example, my son is a single father with two young children. A couple years ago when he was on welfare, he received over $400 a month from food stamps and WIC. That's a lot of food. As adults, my wife and I spend only about $250 a month on groceries and that includes items like detergent that aren't covered by food stamps. Little wonder why we have an obesity problem in this country.

11:19 AM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger DADvocate said...

Just the situation Democrats love. They can depend on the "let someboby else work and pay for it all" vote.

12:11 PM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger JosephineMO7 said...


Its more sad when they have proven they can do without them. As I said my sister has a nursing whatchamacallit and was going back for more schooling. I watched her kids for her while she worked at a nursing home and she was bringing in over 20 an hour.

My Oldest sister, Mandy and myself all started out in the same position. Broke, barely making it and now T and I have our own house and cars and Mandy is still broke and not even trying to make it.

Course our husbands being fairly normal had something to do with that.

She knows when he is there he will steal money for drugs and such. She knows he wont help her and is very emotionally abusive.. Now her son is starting to get violent with her? And she lets it all happen.

The strangest thing is she is under the impression that she is supposed to have all the things T and I have and her man is supposed to be like ours.

Now T & I went through a lot of stuff to get where we are. Our relationships are a result of living making mistakes, forgiveness and growing. I don't believe she would have what we have no matter how hard she tried. It takes 2 people to make or break a relationship and one of them just isn't into it. All she builds he destroys. Of coarse if she succeed at anything he wouldn't have the control over her that he does..

And larry,

I took care of Mandy's kids for 2 weeks last summer, my sister T took care of them for a week. We had them for nearly a month, under the pretense that she was moving and throwing her methhead hubby out. They get welfare and foodstamps and every thing paid for by uncle Sam.

While they were here they had homemade cinnamon rolls, pizza, roasts, loaded baked potatoes, biscuits and gravy, spaghetti and real meatballs(as my niece called them).. Everything.. They acted like they had never seen so much food in their lives. Your son might have fed his kids on that money but I would bet more of those on foodstamps are using it for drugs.. Yes I know it comes on a card. Doesn't seem to stop the drug trade.. Some may be fat from eating a lot of starches and potato chips but I would bet more are rail thin from using it for drugs.. My mother was the same way. We starved or ate school breakfasts and lunches and she used everything we got from the Gov. for her habits.

It is unfortunate. but it is a part of the lifestyle. I think it is crazy any one would want to continue living like that after living through it. How it becomes a lifestyle is beyond me.

12:40 PM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger TMink said...

"People and governments who care about the poor will make them uncomfortable in their poverty. Countries who spend the most on their poor have the most poor to spend money on."

- Benjamin Franklin.

Wise man that Ben.


1:23 PM, March 09, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nol. that is not what socialism is "all about." That said, 40 percent of bab ies born in the United States are now born to single mothers. But this took place under GOP control of congress and White House. Is that what Free Enterprise is all about?

2:34 PM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger LordSomber said...

The only thing more shameful than the man who won't step up to being a father is the woman who thinks a father is unnecessary in the first place.

3:06 PM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger Unknown said...

Um, Fred - nice try.

This problem was documented (among other places) in Myron Magnet's seminal book "The Dream and the Nightmare: The Sixties' Legacy to the Underclass"....in 1993. (If you must play that game, what single party controlled both the Legislative and Executive branches in 1993? Hint: begins with 'D'.)

Daniel Patrick Moynihan pointed it out in the _1960s_ -- and was pilloried for it by his own party (hint - also begins with 'D').

Not a new problem -- no painless solutions. Which is, of course, why it continues to be a problem.

3:09 PM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger Cham said...

I have 2 situations in my neighborhood. I'll just describe them without making a comment.

The lady up the street has 3 illegitimate kids. The baby daddy lives in the house. He doesn't have a job except for the crack dealing... morning, noon and night. Sometimes he needs to get more crack and uses/steals his lady's car. Every once in a while he gets nabbed while buying the crack and the car goes to impound. This is a problem because the lady doesn't have a car to get to work and her kids to the daycare facility. Then there is the additional challenge, getting the boyfriend's bail money and raising enough cash to get the car out of impound. I would say this is an intact family.

Now the house behind me has 8 people living in it, all women. 4 are elderly and get social security checks. There is a fatherless female teen in there who is sexually active. The household has demanded the girl get the depo shot so she will not be creating any more fatherless children. The household doesn't want to care and the expense of a screaming baby. The shot is covered by the state's Medicaid plan.

Take from that what you wish.

3:30 PM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger Memphis said...

Interestingly, George Soros and his various foundations, often through the UN, has made it a policy to only help women and girls in every country he sends money to. His micros-loans for women-owned businesses, food for women only, schools for girls only, etc, is creating this very thing - a permanent underclass of dependent, fatherless, manless women and men and boys with nowhere to turn for work, no business opportunities, no education, and increasingly, no food.

7:05 PM, March 09, 2010  
Blogger Paul said...

"The problem with this new type of extended family, Dench says, is that it is not self-sustaining but tends to be parasitic on conventional families in the rest of...

This is why I love elite, latte lipped urbanistas. New? Like as in pre Archie Bunker, pre Ronald Reagan new. Like only us cave dwelling, knuckle dragging, clinging to our guns conservatives saw this coming in the FREEK'n 1960's!

Oh well.

8:09 AM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Dr.Alistair said...

and that reminds me of the acorn project. designed to help hookers buy condos.


and you think sometimes that maybe your imgination is running off with your sense of reason...until you watch the video, and you realise that, yeah, there are those who are working directly against your best interest....and you further realise that the cavalry isn`t comign and that the system is rotten from the inside out.

like the guy from tool says; i`m gonna watch from a good safe distance.

8:53 AM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Milwaukee said...

That was a classic interview, years ago: "You're a 15-year-old unwed mother, and you're child's father isn't in the home to help you raise your child. How will you do it?" Reply: "Well, my momma didn't have a daddy for me and I turned out alright."

The problem is that if society continues to denigrate and marginalize men, men will get the hint. Great article in the Onion a while ago: Men have won the gender war! Now women insist on doing all the dirty, dangerous, smelly, back-breaking rotten jobs that men used to do, and men can get laid as often as they want, and free load off the women. Thanks gals, you won, go to it. And what's for supper?

8:56 AM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger newscaper said...

Yet this 'independence' from men or 'empowerment' for women only comes from the govt taking mmoney from *men*, just ones they're not married to, at the expense of these men's wives and children.

So how is that independent?

Everyone [sane] talks about the negative effects on young men form having grown up fatherless -- no sense of repsonsibility, nor respect for women.

But it damages the girls too -- they have no examples f women compromising with men in a lasting relationship, so instead they're much more likely to be spoiled brats (like so many of their not much older mothers) who are unfit for a real relationship with a man even if they did want one.

About the multi-generational welfare not being a disproportionately black thing -- wrong. All the victimology peddlers have given them an extra sense of entitlement due to their race, and the welfare bureaucracy is much, much more likely to grant benefits w/o any scrutiny, either due to being good liberals, fellow blacks who are flooding the lower ranks of govt workers (quotas actual or implicit) looking out for each other, or white workers who'd otherwise want to do their job but are afraid of backlash (poor reviews, grievances) for actually *doing* it.

Between them, my wife and my older sister have 45+ years in the system as a public school teacher and a social worker and I know *exactly* what I am talking about.

9:00 AM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger John said...

Did anybody even read the article, and see that this was about Britain? If reading comprehension correlates with income, some of your commenters probably should be on welfare.

9:05 AM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger newscaper said...

" We starved or ate school breakfasts and lunches and she used everything we got from the Gov. for her habits."

This is the other related outrage -- most states apparently have NO offset in WIC/Foodstamps for the fact that the school is feeding the kids breakfast and lunch -- and in some places sending home food for dinner/weekend, or openingthe cafeteria in the summer to feed 'em year round.

There is no commensurate reduction in the foodstamps, so it that much more going to waste or improper use (barter for drugs, alcohol etc)

9:08 AM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Number Six said...

The biggest portion of government spending is on entitlements, welfare, transfer payments to support the welfare classes. Our largest state governments (california and new york) are insolvent. Eventually China will stop buying Treasury debts altogether. This cannot continue for many more years. Margaret Thatcher said it well, ''The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money.''

What will happen to the welfare dynasties when the welfare checks stop coming? Or when the payments get cut back hard?

I'm pretty sure single men will not volunteer to pick up the slack.

So will we see riots? Wandering mobs looting their neighbors? A permanent criminal class?

11:18 AM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Tom said...

I was born to a high school dropout unwed 17 year old mother on welfare. My mother grew up on welfare in a capable intact family that knew how to game the system. My mother's sisters are both on welfare and involved with heavy drug use and prostitution and have been divorced a few times.

My mother on the other hand has been married for almost 40 years to the same man, raised five children and now works as an office manager. I attribute much of my mother's success to her willpower and her marriage.

My dad worked hard to get us out of poverty, sometimes working 3 part time jobs on top of his full time one. He would not ever think of using welfare or food stamps. He went back to night school on the GI bill and then worked his way up in his career. He is now close to retirement age and as upper middle management makes roughly 100k annually. They are not rich, but have lived rich and successful lives.

The irony here is that the fruit of my parents' long years of toil is being taxed at a very high rate to pay for the people that have been milking the system the whole time. To add insult to injury, my aunts and the other welfare amazons are ungrateful and complain constantly about their lot in life that we are funding. I believe that the time is coming where the worm will turn and the productive will say "No More".

12:33 PM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Larry J said...

I believe that the time is coming where the worm will turn and the productive will say "No More".

I'd like to think this will happen except for one thing - the IRS reports that the bottom 50% of wage earners only pay about 4% of income taxes. When you factor in programs like the Earned Income Tax Credit, a significant percentage of Americans pay no taxes at all. And their vote counts the same as that of a taxpayer. That percentage has been rising for over 20 years. If the trend continues, the day will soon come when non-taxpayers or those who pay far less than they get from the system will outnumber the rest of us. When that happens, they will be able to continue electing people who promise them more "free stuff" and there is nothing short of rebellion or going Galt that we can do about it.

I have 4 grandchildren under 6 years of age. I seriously worry for their future. It looks like the country they grow up in will be nothing like the one I experienced.

2:05 PM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Alex said...

Larry - once we reach the tipping point where the underclass is the voting majority it's all over. I'd advise everyone to make escape plans.

3:00 PM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Topher said...


Going Galt will be the only way for the taxed class to respond.

Productive people will simply say "what's the point?" and stop working as hard as they have been. Creative and innovative people will still do what they do, but the punch-the-clock groundwork necessary even for leading-edge technology work will become even more blase.

3:12 PM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Larry J said...

I agree that the logical response to excessive taxation is to "go Galt" by lowering your income. Why earn that additional dollar if the marginal tax rate is 60% or even higher? I've known professional people who take off several months out of each year for just that reason. At some point, it simply isn't worth it to try and earn more money.

However, what will America look like if that becomes more widespread? Will society's parasites reduce their demands for ever more "free stuff"? Unlikely. Will there be bloodshed? That's certainly possible and perhaps even likely. Like I said, I fear for my grandchildren's future.

3:34 PM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Seerak said...

Ah the sting of unintended consequences. Generations of wasted lives, living on the people's teat.

When that "mistake" is made over and over, the idea that the consequences were "unintended" becomes completely untenable.

"They'll make us all into beggars, because they're easier to please."

5:06 PM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Seerak said...

Going Galt will be the only way for the taxed class to respond.

I don't think that most of you grasp what "going Galt" really means in that book.

It means being able to look at the outstretched hand of someone, whether genuinely needy or not, and asserting your right to say "No."

If you can't say no, of if you don't believe that I or anyone else should have that right -- i.e. if you are an altruist -- you are wasting your time.

As I noted in my previous comment, there never will be a shortage of need. The demand for handouts will always exceed the supply. Either stand up and say "No"... or have the brute fact of having nothing left to be looted do it for you.

5:11 PM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Micha Elyi said...

Cham said...
"The lady up the street has 3 illegitimate kids. The baby daddy lives in the house."

Right there in those few words is a major symptom of the problem. The female is falsely described as a "lady" and the male from whom she solicits sperm is mocked as a "baby daddy."

The fantasy of female innocence must end.

5:20 PM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger pdwalker said...


Escape plans? Where is there a place to escape to?


If I was trying to destroy a powerful country and reduce it to 3rd world poverty in under a 100 years, my plan would look something like what is going on right now inside the US.

When the tax eaters become more that 50-55% of the general population, they will continue to vote themselves Bread and Circuses until all the wealth is gone from the country. The US is very, very near to that now.

I can no longer see the US surviving as a country in the long term. Something has got to give.

7:41 PM, March 10, 2010  
Blogger Larry J said...

Here's a link via InstaPundit: Tax Foundation: 52 Million (36%) of Tax Returns Pay Zero Income Tax

The Tax Foundation has published Record Numbers of People Paying No Income Tax; Over 50 Million "Nonpayers" Include Families Making over $50,000:

A record number of the 142 million tax returns filed in 2008 resulted in no tax payment, according to a Tax Foundation analysis of IRS data. That means the tax filers got back every dollar that had been withheld from their paychecks, and often more. Roughly 51.6 million tax returns, or 36.3 percent, were filed by such “nonpayers,” people whose exemptions, deductions and credits wiped out any federal income tax due.

A family of four earning more than $50,000 can have no income tax liability after taking the standard deduction and the child tax credit.

“Two records were set in 2008: the most nonpayers and the highest-earning nonpayers,” said Tax Foundation President Scott Hodge.

And that doesn't count the people who don't even bother to file a return.

2:49 PM, March 11, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My only argument with your post of 9:40 A.M. March 09, TMINK, is I don't think the consequences were unintended. Not for one five seconds.

12:46 PM, March 13, 2010  

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