Thursday, September 03, 2009

Don Surber: "Are we American citizens or are we subjects?" I am going to suggest Obama thinks we are the latter.

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Blogger Mister Wolf said...

"The surface of American society is covered with a layer of democratic paint, but from time to time one can see the old aristocratic colours breaking through." - Alexis de Tocqueville.

To put it simply, to our representatives(or perhaps we should call them "Lords") we are merely subjects...

Except when they're up for reelection soon, then they typically become our "humble" servants once more.

Obama shall remain King for a couple more years

11:09 AM, September 03, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

gripe geripe gripe--same old lament heard over and over no matter which party is in power or who is in congress...if you vote, you are a citizen. If you do not like things, vote for change. You can write your congress people, write newspapers, go to demonsrations, and on and on...try that in a lot of other countries and you will soon see if you are or are not citizens.

12:51 PM, September 03, 2009  
Blogger I R A Darth Aggie said...

Yes, Fred, go to demonstrations and be imputed to be Nazi's, bought & paid for astroturfers, teabaggers and right wing terrorists.

Yes, it is easy to see how a kind and loving aristocracy is willing to allow us to be citizens...what's next? rounding us up and shipping us off to Gitmo? rendition?

Hey, here's an idea: listen to we the people.

1:27 PM, September 03, 2009  
Blogger Larry Sheldon said...


2:06 PM, September 03, 2009  
Blogger Fen said...

"if you vote, you are a citizen"

But I have to win a lottery ticket to ask my congress-critter a question, else I get escorted from the room by Labor Union brownshirts.

2:51 PM, September 03, 2009  
Blogger Larry Sheldon said...

Seems like the folks in "1984" (or was it THX1138"? were referred-to as "citizens".

2:53 PM, September 03, 2009  
Blogger Dr.Alistair said...

we are all slaves. we earn money which is then taxed, feed, surcharged, adjusted, re-assessed, taxed again and then cut-back so that we have bearely enough to feed, clothe and shelter ourselves and our kids...

...while idiots are filmed making comments after the fact about what they think happened to all our money from the comfort of a tv studio.

get a grip people.

the political system, like the judicial system and the exectutive branch, is designed for the fun and profit of a small group of people.

and we ain`t it.

there are plenty of other games to play, but power and control isn`t one of them.

we could run for office though, if we could live with ourselves...and, you know, make a difference.

5:31 PM, September 03, 2009  
Blogger Unknown said...

Subjest? I like it!

7:49 PM, September 03, 2009  
Blogger Helen said...

Learning Curve,

Thanks for catching my typo, I fixed it but maybe subjest is more appropriate.

7:58 PM, September 03, 2009  
Blogger DADvocate said...

Goto the 3:54 point in this video and you can see Demi Moore pledge to be a "servant to our president."

The left has it all backwards. A servant's heart should be held by the elected not the electorate.

9:40 PM, September 03, 2009  
Blogger Dr.D said...

To those of us who still believe in the Constitution, we are citizens. To those who believe in Obama, we are subjects, or perhaps merely objects, things.

11:19 PM, September 03, 2009  
Blogger Roman said...

An unarmed person is a subject, an armed person is a citizen.

2:35 AM, September 04, 2009  
Blogger Dr.Alistair said...

the right to bear arms...right.

try telling a policeman that, or a soldier.

or a judge.

i love it when a constitutionalist talks about our rights as if they are a tangeble device or mechaninsm whereby we can inflict our will on others or entities.

we don`t have rights or freedoms.

we have obligations under law.

ask a state trooper.

5:09 AM, September 04, 2009  
Blogger Dr.Alistair said...

and i personally think we`ve progressed no futher than the high middle ages where we worked for the crown in return for protection.....except, we don`t recieve the protection.

5:12 AM, September 04, 2009  
Blogger Hubcap said...

dr.alistair is right. Ask a state trooper about your rights and he will tell you that he is your personal messiah and anything he says goes.

12:07 PM, September 04, 2009  
Blogger Dr.D said...

@ alistair & hubcap

When you ask the wrong person, don't be surprised when you get the wrong answer.

Rights are not intended to be a mans for inflicting our will on other people. Rights are specific protections under the law.

My right to freedom of speech does not inflict anything on anybody. My right to carry a gun does not inflict anything on anybody. If I have to go to court to enforce my rights, they are still my rights. The fact that a state trooper may wish to abuse my rights does not mean that I don't have them; it means that he is over stepping his authority and should be taken down several notches.

1:24 PM, September 04, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had not heard this sort of lamenting about lost right before Obama got into office. Does this mean you felt a full citizen when GOP in power? If so, then vote them back in. And demonstrations? don't be intimidated! From what I have seen there are a lot more meanies breaking up health care discussion from those opposed than from those liberals who want a change.

in sum: you do not change things with simply chewing your liver online.

2:10 PM, September 04, 2009  
Blogger Adrian said...

Well, actually, this question was what the first civil war was really about, but you won't hear about any of that in our government schools.

5:15 PM, September 04, 2009  
Blogger Dr.Alistair said...

rights are for groups and thier appointed representitives.

the individual gets to shut up and do whatever an armed agent of the government wishes.

trying to assert some mythological "right" will get you tazed, handcuffed and further violated.

simple rule; avoid contact with these people at all costs.

freedoms of speech inflict all sorts of things on other people, annoying points of view for one.

when did you ever go to court to enforce your rights?

wouldn`t that be trying to deprive someone else of thier rights?

5:33 PM, September 04, 2009  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Any number of people who have been falsely arrested by overstepping cops have been hauled into court only to have their cases dismissed by the judge. That is going to court to have your rights enforced. It is not a pleasant thing to have to do, but it works. And no, that is not depriving anyone else of their rights at all. With any luck, however, you may get to sue the cop which could be fun.

There is no right not to hear an annoying point of view. (You are in Canada, as I recall, aren't you? Perhaps there is such in Canada, but certainly not in the US.)

Alistair, you would make a very good follower. You clearly believe in following orders, doing what you are told, and not questioning authority at all. The American Revolution would have never gotten off the ground with men like you.

6:02 PM, September 04, 2009  
Blogger Fen said...

Fred: " From what I have seen there are a lot more meanies demanding answers than those liberals who bite fingers off"


1:38 AM, September 05, 2009  
Blogger Dr.Alistair said...

hmm. you sure have taken me wrong.

check out

there are several assumptions in your last statement about the courts recognising when a cop "oversteps" his position and authority.

people have no right given by a court to annoy anyone else. there simply is no position to annoy.

and a person in a conversation insisting on repeating an annoying position is eventially ignored or otherwise shut up.

the freshman and sophomore get it thier head that they have a right to be annoying and ignorant and disrespectful.

granted, the first year away from the oppression of home life can be intoxicating, and the words of the socialist professor further spur them on.

reality hits once they try thier new-found religion in the real world of daily life.

9:34 AM, September 05, 2009  
Blogger Dr.Alistair said...

fred, "There is no right not to hear an annoying point of view".

it`s not about rights, which are meta-physical constructs, but about real world actions....where things actually happen.

and i have a policy about annoying people, and thier belief they have the right to annoy me.

would you like to hear it?

9:41 AM, September 05, 2009  

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