Thursday, July 24, 2008

"Every possible form of interaction between an adult and a child is perceived as yet another opportunity for child abuse."

Frank Furedi, professor of sociology at the University of Kent and author of Paranoid Parenting: Why Ignoring the Experts May Be Best for Your Child has an article at PJM on the paranoia over photographing children:

The assumption that pictures represent a significant threat to children has acquired a fantasy-like grotesque character. We rarely dare ask the question: what possible harm can come from taking pictures of children playing soccer? Dark hints about the threat of evil networks of pedophiles are sufficient to corrode common sense. Tragically, what the dramatization and criminalization of the act of photographing children reveals is a culture that regards virtually every childhood experience from the standpoint of a pedophile.

Every possible form of interaction between an adult and a child is perceived as yet another opportunity for child abuse. In a roundabout way society has normalized pedophilia. The default position is to always expect the worse — and therefore children should be placed in purdah.

Take a look at the comments too, they are illuminating and some commenters explore child abduction numbers; for example, here is an article from Slate that sheds some light on how many kids are really abducted--only 115 were "stereotypical kidnappings," defined in one study as "a nonfamily abduction perpetrated by a slight acquaintance or stranger..."


Blogger Doug McCaughan said...

We are creating a horrible side affect in the way our children perceive the world. The lack of trust and an understanding that most people are good will impact the choices they make in our future as they become voters and influence laws in our society.

Last year I dropped by the high school band practice to give my daughter some money since she decided to stay from practice to the game instead of coming home. My wife and 3 other children were in the van as I approached the field. The girls on the flag team became concerned because "a creepy stalker guy" was approaching the field. Their response was an immediate jump to the negative.

How strong was the impact of this experience with my daughter? Two days ago I offered to drop by during band camp to offer support to the team and my daughter begged me to stay away. She reminded me specifically that I am "that creepy stalker guy." Wow. Gee. Thank you society for the hollow feeling you have put in my chest, destroying bonding opportunities between my daughter and me, and embarrassing my daughter in front of her peers.

How can we be raising happy children to become happy adults when we are teaching them to focus only on the negative...and a negative that is highly unlikely?

9:24 AM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Derek said...

At the top of my list for "root causes" of this problem is the 24-hour news cycle. That Headline News shows the same event 6 times an hour gives the appearance that a problem is more pervasive than it really is.

When I was a kid, if some child was abducted, it might make the paper, and possibly the evening news. But we didn't hear about it all day long.

We amplify our own fears by willingly taking in too much information.

9:58 AM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Cham said...

I was illuminated yesterday, I attended a 2 hour seminar on self-defense. The instructor owned one of those gizmo stores that sold tasers and stun guns. We were treated to a long lecture on pepper spray choice.

The instructor seemed to perk up when she started talking about "Getting the bad guy". Then she talked about who the bad guy was. I learned that bad guy identification was easy, when your gut feeling told you that there was a bad guy nearby, then that was a bad guy. According to her, "You just know".

We were also taught that one can no longer walk down a street late at night and feel safe. One can't go to a shopping mall and feel safe. In order to feel safe you need to walk around with a pain-causing device.
We learned "Bad guys" are everywhere, ready to pounce.

Our instructor didn't talk much about what happened when you taser a "bad guy" who wasn't a "bad guy" but some schlub walking down the street minding his own business. I'm not sure "gut feeling" can be used as a defense in a court of law.

Welcome to the new America.

10:18 AM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Barry Wallace said...

This is the heart of what's behing the Concealed Carry obsession with some gun lovers. They assume that every person on the street is a potential lethal felon, and you must be ready to defend yourself, with lethal force, at any given moment of the day or night. Because that guy over there - THAT GUY RIGHT THERE!!! - is getting ready to carjack you, and you'd better be prepared.

How do I know that guy's about to attack you? I just do. You can just tell. It's a gut feeling.

10:24 AM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Unknown said...

cham -- Your instructor was a dick-head. She has no business teaching a class of that nature. It's not actually the new America yet, only the one the paranoids want it to be.

barry -- Incorrect. You need to sit in on a CC course. The teaching is the opposite of cham's instructor.

There's nothing at all wrong with teaching self-defense. It's arguably a moral issue to learn it so innocents can be defended also. The streets actually do contain bad guys.

The teaching of "gut feeling" is a separate issue just as awareness and paranoia are two distinct states of being.

10:30 AM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger karrde said...

At a dentist's office sometime this year, I was browsing for a good magazine.

On a whim, I picked up a photography magazine. Inside, there was an article about professional (and amateur) photographers getting in trouble due to laws about child porn.

Essentially, if you have a picture of a baby in a diaper (or even semi-submerged in a bathtub), and the prosecutor feels like making life hard for you, he can attempt to prosecute it as child-porn.

Perhaps the article was alarmist--but it showed pictures in which the "pornographic status" was in the eye of the beholder.

I don't know about all the other cases. Self-defense classes ought to do well to teach people to be situationally aware without teaching prejudice against strangers.

barry--I've taken the Michigan CPL class, and have the permit. I carry where legally allowed.

The class taught the rule of thumb--you have to be able to prove that you were in fear of your life or limb before you draw the weapon in a public place. In your own house, you shouldn't draw unless facing a trespasser of unknown intent.

I do try to keep situational awareness, but I don't assume that I will likely have to draw a weapon against every person I meet.

(Your mileage may vary...ask a dozen CPL/CCW people in a dozen different states to get a better sense of this issue.)

10:50 AM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger highlander said...

I think you're onto something Derek.

When we hear the same horrible story multiple times from multiple media sources, it's easy to get the impression that it's more common than it actually is and we wind up losing our sense of proportion.

My guess is that in these paranoid times, with unfounded accusations of perversion flying around, it's more dangerous for a man to be alone with a child than for a child to be alone with a man.

10:59 AM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Cham said...

Yesterday's self-defense instructor taught us differently, karrde. We learned that the best way to scare off the "bad guy" when you have that special "gut feeling" is to pull out your stun gun and click it a few times, letting your "bad guy" know that you have 800,000 volts of electricity ready and waiting.

She did mention that stun guns were illegal in our area but that wasn't going to stop her from selling them to our group if we wanted one.

Don't even get me started on her pepper spray recommendations.

12:16 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Archivist said...

An entire cottage industry has sprung up in the past few years consisting of persons whose livelihoods depend on manufacturing hysteria about male sexuality.

College campuses have sexual assault counselors, paid for in large part by the tuition of young men whom the counselors are ready to help send to prison for years and years based on nothing more than the naked, unsubstantiated, even far-fetched allegation of another student, and regardless of his legitimate rebuttals.

We are told that one-in-four or one-in-five college women -- or freshmen college women -- or freshmen college women before Thanksgiving -- or women in general (take your pick: all of these versions are tossed off as fact, depending on the sourse) are raped. If, for example, those stats were even remotely correct about colleges, our campuses would make Baghdad look safe. It is not correct because such studies are based on radical feminist wishfulness and questions posed (to females only, of course) that include queries about whether women ever had sex when they didn't want to. (Of course that is NOT the test for rape -- the test for rape is whether a reasonable person in the male's position would understand that the female has assented to sexual intercourse based on her outward manifestations of assent, NOT her subjective whims, desires or secret longings).

We are stranded in an age where there is a pervasive and unspoken hysteria -- inane, indeed immoral, though it may be -- that a penis, any penis, is a more dangerous, more depraved instrument than a loaded gun in the hands of thief. And every woman and every child is at risk of being raped; and every man and teenage boy is at least a potential rapist.

How did we reach this stage? Because good men have been educated to believe that the hysteria must be directed at those "other" men, never stopping to realize it's directed at ALL men. That's right: we are all "persons of interest" in crimes-yet-to-be committed against some hypothetical, phantom, unkown, ever unborn women and children.

And it won't let up until the good men -- and women, such as Dr. Helen -- demand that it stop.

12:25 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Helen said...


I have never heard an instructor talk this way. Most classes teach one to get away if possible and fight as a last resort, not a first one. Not sure if you are misinterpreting your instructor's advice or whether she is just a poor teacher.


Those who have Concealed Carry permits are more cautious and law abiding than the general population, not less so.

The "New America" is one that tells it's citizens to sit back and let the police handle problems or not to fight back. The problem is that the people who are truly violent are allowed free reign until they do something so damaging such as murder that they end up in trouble and at the same time, there are those who are law-abiding who are held accountable because they are easier to deal with. The problem is not that we act too violently towards others when in true danger, it is that we do not act violently enough when confronted with real violence and we overreact when sometimes, the threat does not warrant it. Understanding how to tell the difference is the answer, not having a one size fits all solution such as "Don't be violent" or "Act violently no matter what." Violence is effective in some situations, not so much in others.

1:02 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Cham said...


I am all about getting away at all costs. I've walk the streets in my city at all hours of the night, the worst neighborhoods in the world with the most criminals per capita and have never had a problem that I haven't been able to get away.

This particular lady was not only an instructor (supposedly) but also wanted to sell product. When you avoid trouble you don't need a stun gun or a taser, therefore, no product would be necessary, so she wasn't teaching our group the concept of crossing the street to simply avoid the "bad guy".

Our nation's budding paranoia partially has a great deal to do with enthusiastic product advertising. Watch some TV and see how many advertisements use the word, "safety". Advertisers have learned that if you can convince people they won't be "safe" unless they buy a particular product, people will buy without hesitation.

We have become a paranoid society. We are making our kids paranoid. Our children are being led to believe that there is a pedophile on every street corner waiting for them.

Remember the kids on the milk cartons? All those kids being abducted left and right, you would think that there would be a black market in every city for abducted kids. The milk cartons didn't clue us in that most of the kids were abducted by their noncustodial parents. Find the parent, find the kid, the blurry milk carton picture wasn't really necessary.

I think the citizens of our country like being paranoid, they get something from it. If you think you aren't safe to walk down the street then you don't have to go outside and exercise. Your kid doesn't have to exercise either by having to walk to school. Your kid doesn't have to be around adults the don't know and develop social skills, they simply label all adult strangers into the creepy-pervert category and then they have an excuse not to interact.

We collectively have an excuse not to talk to anyone else, not go outside, not to date, not to participate. Isn't that what we really want?

1:28 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Helen said...


"Isn't that what we really want?"

No, that is not what people generally want. It may seem that way on the internet but people going about their daily routines want to be free to walk around without harm. Crime is a possibility--it is good to be prudent but not paranoid. I actually have a column coming up at PJM on the topic of diaster preparedness and whether it is paranoid or prudent. It is good to be aware of your surroundings and able to protect yourself if necessary (else, why would you even be taking the self-defense class?) but paranoia can be taken to an extreme. Moderation is called for, but something that I think is hard because it is not exciting and news-worthy.

1:38 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger lovemelikeareptile said...

Great post Archivist

Feminism has always been about the demonization and dehumanization of men-- but especially demonizing male sexuality. The footnotes to that comment would go on forever-- Brownmiller, Mackinnon, Dworkin, to name a few in the rogue's gallery.

We reached this stage where all men are presumptively evil, because that was the stated purpose/goal of feminism.

Nothing will change unless the victims of this hate movement-- men and boys ( and collaterally, some women)-- vigorous oppose it and confront its ugly tentacles wherever they are found... which is everywhere.

1:57 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Barry Wallace said...

I'm not saying that's what's being taught, but that's the mindset typically behind the desire to carry a weapon with them at all times - that belief, paranoia or not, that someone out there is very likely to put you or a loved one in danger.

When that belief gets to a certain tipping point, you don't feel safe without a sidearm. If you feel fairly safe, you don't feel you need one. I think society has trained us more and more to think we need to protect ourselves on a daily basis, when I don't necessarily think that's the case.

3:07 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Larry J said...

I was illuminated yesterday, I attended a 2 hour seminar on self-defense. The instructor owned one of those gizmo stores that sold tasers and stun guns. We were treated to a long lecture on pepper spray choice.

Our nation's budding paranoia partially has a great deal to do with enthusiastic product advertising. Watch some TV and see how many advertisements use the word, "safety". Advertisers have learned that if you can convince people they won't be "safe" unless they buy a particular product, people will buy without hesitation.

CHam, as you pointed out, your instructor wanted to sell you something. Her advice just happened to match the products she was selling. What a coincidence!

Archivist said...
An entire cottage industry has sprung up in the past few years consisting of persons whose livelihoods depend on manufacturing hysteria about male sexuality.

And just like Cham's instructor, they're trying to sell something. In this case, they're trying to sell the need for their jobs.

3:55 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger jay c said...

Fear is a means of control. If someone can make you afraid, they can sell you their product, subscribe to their newsletter, join their club, get your vote, make you pull the trigger for them.

4:30 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger TMink said...

I have worked with abused children since 1991. I have experience with a single attempted abduction.

You are better at math than I no doubt, so I will let you figure the odds.


5:02 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Pete the Streak said...

Barry: "I'm not saying that's what's being taught, but that's the mindset typically behind the desire to carry a weapon with them at all times - that belief, paranoia or not, that someone out there is very likely to put you or a loved one in danger."

Barry, you couldn't be more wrong. As a CCP holder for 25 years (and one that carries every day), I don't consider it 'very likely' that anyone, at any given time, is going to put me or my loved ones in danger. I consider it 'possible', which is a huge difference.

As a father, a fiance, a friend and an individual, I want to personally shoulder as much of the responsibility as possible for the safety of my family and myself. The police themselves will tell you that they don't prevent crime; they investigate it after the fact. It has, as always will be so.

Do you wear a seatbelt because you think it 'very likely' you'll be in an accident every time you drive? Of course not. You're protecting yourself against the possiblity of one.

Believe it or not, carrying is quite similar. You pay attention while driving, and if you see someone pull out in front of you, you do all you can to avoid a collision. It's the same with CCP holders - at least all the ones I know (which is quite a few). No one goes looking for trouble, or thinks every guy on the street is a killer/rapist/etc. When we see a troublesome situation that may develope into a problem, you wouldn't be able to distinguish us from a non-carrier; we'll leave with everyone else. The weapon is an absolute last resort.

If you leave your personal safety up to someone else, you'll only receive the protection they're willing or able to provide. That's simply not good enough for me or my loved ones. While that may sound like a trigger-happy mentality to some, to me it's only being responsible.

A wise man once said "You never need a gun until you really, REALLY need a gun". Hopefully, that time never comes. However, as we read every day - it may. People shoudn't only plan for what's probable; they should also allow for what's possible.

5:14 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Unknown said...

Barry --

I think you're projecting why you would carry. I know people with CC and none think that way. All but one has the license because they make monetary deposits.

7:02 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Larry Sheldon said...

I see suspicion all through this.

And could a case be handled more badly?

10:49 PM, July 24, 2008  
Blogger Wayne said...

Barry - I suggest going to this site and visiting the category "Gun Thing". These types of questions are covered many times. Since Kim's stated goal is, "Turning this country back into a Nation of Riflemen, One Citizen at a Time," he's usually happy to answer email questions about the subject, too (as long as they're not hyperventilating with gun-hatred - not that you would do that, but he does get that kind of email, quite a bit).

cham - it looks like you are quite aware that your instructor has an agenda because she has a vested interest in her students' paranoia. Good instructors will teach you how to read signals that others give off - body language, where/how walking, etc, and how to put out body language of your own to minimize your appearance of being a potential victim (for instance, NEVER look down after making eye contact with someone who could be a predator walking toward you, that's a sign of submissiveness. Look to the side instead. THEN you can look anywhere else, but never break eye contact by looking down). There are some books by ex-cops and ex-military guys, but I'm afraid I don't know which ones, offhand, are best.

11:05 AM, July 25, 2008  
Blogger SGT Ted said...

Claiming to "know" the mindset of people who might want to carry concealed is really presumptuous and arrogant. It says more about the person making the claim: anti-gun and obviously a paranoia of ordinary citizens who happen to prefer to be armed, or perhaps just paranoid of guns.

12:13 PM, July 25, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This penis envy thing has really gotten out of hand, you know it?

4:53 PM, July 25, 2008  
Blogger H. said...

Whenever we take pictures (digital) of our toddler in the bathtub or otherwise sans diaper, we are always careful to make sure we either delete, or safely crop all pictures that show any of his privates BEFORE we send them out to be developed. The last thing we need is some busybody deciding we're trafficking in child porn because the little guy foiled our attempts to make the shots G rated.

Maybe it's a paranoid concern for me to have, but it's fairly easy to edit digital pics, and, call me crazy, but I'd rather keep my kid.

3:19 AM, July 27, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll never have a film camera again.
Digital is surely the way to go. It doesn't take too many rolls of film and developing costs before a 2 gig SD memory card makes good sense.

8:15 PM, July 27, 2008  
Blogger 1charlie2 said...

On the "gun lovers" thing -- Pete the streak beat me to it.

I don't have smoke detectors in the house because I lie awake nights worrying about a fire. I bought them, I change their batteries regularly, and I replace them after about 5 years (they do wear out over time). Other than that, I don't really think about them, other than knowing they are there if needed.

I put on a seat belt, try to drive sanely and avoid accidents, keep my car in good working order, don't travel at insane speeds, and don't generalyl worry beyong that, either.

I practice with my firearms because it's fun, and because CCW (almost 30 years now) requires proficiency on the remote but still non-zero chance I'll need it to defend myself or others (more likely from wildlife than from people).

Beginning to see a pattern ?

I take reasonable precautions to keep myself and my family safe. I am not about to impoverish myself to do so, but neither do I accept "bad things" with the dim uncomprehending resignation of a bovine.

On a sideways tack, anyone using the term "gun lover" has already lost me. I love my spouse and my kids. I love my country. I might even say I love baby back ribs :) I don't "love" guns, and anyone insinuating such is simply trying to use a perjorative to demean CCW holders. Bigoted much ?

How about you try using the term "gay lover" to describe someone who supports gay rights ? What does THAT say about the one using the term ?

1:49 PM, July 28, 2008  
Blogger Kirk Parker said...


"that's the mindset typically behind the desire to carry a weapon with them at all times"

How would you possibly know what other peoples' mindsets are?

"that belief, paranoia or not, that someone out there is very likely to put you or a loved one in danger."

You don't understand risk management, do you? There are not that many places in the US, even the stereotype ones like Camden, NJ, that have assault rates above 50%. Rather than the frequency, what's driving it is the cost. It's really no different than the fact that we all insure our homes against fire, even though few of us have had our houses burn down, whereas we don't insure our light bulbs against burning out prematurely.

1:09 PM, August 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gut feelings - ones you can trust, anyway - come from experience. That is, the actual experience of being stalked, accosted, molested, what have you. Gut feelings based on the news aren't reliable enough to bet your life on - or someone else's.

My CC instructor impressed on us that shooting someone - whether they're an actual threat or not - is one of the quickest ways to screw up your life, both in the short and long terms. The same probably goes for tasering, pepper-spraying, aikido-throwing or whatever. It may not be fair or constitutional, but it's the way things are.

Unfortunately, the same goes for photographing someone who doesn't want to be photographed. Or their kids. When in doubt, ask permission. I'm sure this puts a kink in the plans of many gonzo street photographers. Beats getting arrested, though.

Try wildlife photography. Animals don't usually sue. Unless PETA's been up to something I haven't heard about. Just don't try photographing gorillas in Spain. You'll be violating their human rights.

3:30 PM, August 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every possible form of interaction between an adult and a child is perceived as yet another opportunity for child abuse.

No, every possible interaction between a man and a child is perceived as yet another opportunity for child abuse. I don't hear about women taking pictures of their children being harassed for doing so.

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