Friday, January 20, 2012

I am reading Charles Murray's new book Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010. It's a fascinating look at the polarization within white America. Niall Ferguson, a professor of history at Harvard who reviewed Murray's book states:
No doubt the same politically correct critics will complain about this book, because it is almost entirely devoted to the problem of social polarization within "white America." They will have to ignore one of Coming Apart's most surprising findings: that race is not a significant determinant of social polarization in today's America. It is class that really matters...

Murray meticulously chronicles and measures the emergence of two wholly distinct classes: a new upper class, first identified in The Bell Curve as "the cognitive elite," and a new "lower class," which he is too polite to give a name. And he vividly localizes his argument by imagining two emblematic communities: Belmont, where everyone has at least one college degree, and Fishtown, where no one has any....

What can be done to reunite these two classes? Murray is dismissive of the standard liberal prescription of higher taxes on the rich and higher spending on the poor. As he points out, there could hardly be a worse moment to try to import the European welfare state, just as that system suffers fiscal collapse in its continent of origin.

Great book full of interesting statistics and charts for those of you who like such things.



Blogger TMink said...

The classes are largely distinguished by fathers. The new lower class have none and generally have siblings from other men entirely. Stop paying women to raise kids alone, and you will have far, far fewer poor.


8:10 AM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger sykes.1 said...

Do you have a link to Prof. Ferguson's review?

Why does he think the two classes should be reunited? Reunited in what way? As a white power block? (My use of "white power" is broader than the racial meaning, but I include it.)

8:49 AM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger Cham said...

I'd prefer not to be reunited, thank you. I want nothing to do with the ill-behaving white trailer park trash who have no intention of living any other way other that being a leech on society. Why is this author suggesting that responsible whites owe the sub-humans something?

9:02 AM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger TMink said...

Cham, I agree. I feel no automatic kinship with white people. I feel a kinship with people who work hard, with other Christians, with people who like the same sport teams, etc.

But any talk about white people as a group makes me suspicious. Having said that, let me make just such a statement!

White people are the least racist people on the planet.



9:49 AM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger Helen Smith said...


The link to the Professor's review is in the post at Amazon.

12:06 PM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger Old Guy said...

Want to unite the over educated class with the under employed class?

Easy, the over educated class has to return to being pro business, pro energy, and pro marriage. It is easy to ship jobs overseas and enact policies that raise gas prices because your elite job will stay here and you can buy a Prius. Easy divorce and sexual freedom is great when all women are smart enough to use birth control and can get divorced and support a child in style without help if need be.

When you are poor and undereducated, you can't be retrained to do anything that will yield the paycheck the factory used to provide, the kind of cars you can afford are all old, large, and American built and $4 gas is a killer with a small paycheck from Wal*Mart, and single moms live in near squalor, not the world of Murphy Brown.

And before the Elites say, let them eat arugula, consider; once you have shipped all the working class jobs overseas and all the fuel is made overseas we won't really need an army of managers and skilled professionals, the best jobs left will be managing a Wal*Mart or a McDonalds. And that pays less and requires much more work than writing policy papers or diversity training.

12:13 PM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger Xiaoding said...

When the upper class thinks it doesn't need the lower class, the upper class is in for a very brutal lesson.

12:29 PM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger Cham said...

I don't have a problem with the lower economically-challenged classes, I have a problem with ill-behaving white trash.

I don't know whether anyone else has noticed this or not, but go to any Walmart. Take a close look at who is picking their nose, throwing things, opening unpaid-for food packages, conspicuously shoplifting and being really really loud. It's not the blacks and it is not the Latinos.

2:09 PM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger Steve said...


Here in the Chicago area, it most certainly is. Not that there aren't whites doing it, but due to the economic breakdown here, blacks and latinos are the majority of the lower income.

3:17 PM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger DADvocate said...

who is picking their nose

Have you been stalking me at Walmart?

3:19 PM, January 20, 2012  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Do you have a problem with ill-behaving niggers also? Or perhaps ill-behaving kikes? Spics maybe? Or do you just reserve racial pejoratives exclusively for whites?

5:49 PM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger Cham said...

There are whites and then there are white trash. You can tell the difference at 500 feet.

7:32 PM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger Micha Elyi said...

"...go to any Walmart. Take a close look... It's not the blacks and it is not the Latinos."-Cham

Wow. Walmart shoppers in Belmont must be really different. (Except for the Latinos, they're the same here in Fishtown as in your Belmont, I guess.)

Waidaminnit... didn't you claim in a post elsewhere that you don't shop in Walmarts, Cham?

8:12 PM, January 20, 2012  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Are you willing to say "There are blacks and then there are niggers. You can tell the difference at 500 feet."? Or do you just save your racial epithets for whites?

10:25 PM, January 20, 2012  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know whether anyone else has noticed this or not, but go to any Walmart. Take a close look at who is picking their nose, throwing things, opening unpaid-for food packages, conspicuously shoplifting and being really really loud. It's not the blacks and it is not the Latinos.

Go to Baltimore or DC, or any major US city, and you'll see plenty of that from non-whites, racist.

10:28 PM, January 20, 2012  
Blogger Cham said...

I don't shop at Walmart, I hate the place. Unfortunately, due to mitigating circumstances I had to spend an hour in there on Thursday. I nearly abandoned my cart and left.

Never again.

4:24 AM, January 21, 2012  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wouldn't that be due to "aggravating" (not mitigating) circumstances, Cham? Because the circumstances made things worse.

But youse still a fine dame, and my heart goes out to you for having to be in Walmart for an hour with ... those people.

4:45 AM, January 21, 2012  
Blogger br549 said...

It's not all of any "color", or nationality. It's those damned liberal democrats. We all know it. Even in trailer parks there are some with nice yards, well kept trailers, flower gardens. The car may be older, but it's in good shape. The kids wear clean hand me downs and say yes sir and yes ma'am, no sir and no ma'am.

Why, in my trailer park, it's safe to walk the dirt roads in the place at night. You might even get asked if you want an Iron City beer or two by a neighbor. And everybody shuts off their boom boxes blaring out shit kick by midnight at the latest. And every time someone borrows my push mower, they always bring it back.

12:55 PM, January 21, 2012  
Blogger jonw said...

Interesting topic. I agree with you Tmink, white people are the least racist. The pendulum is in effect again.
Thanks, Dr. Helen for all you do for us men.

12:54 AM, January 22, 2012  
Blogger Aurelian said...


Put your fucking diaper back on. I work armed security in the Englewood area of Chicago every damn day. Black folk are killing each other at a rate that is astounding. So are Latinos. Whites - not so much. Statistic don't lie. Murders down 8 percent in all of Chicago and up 40 percent in Englewood. It is what it is. Show me a prosperous black only suburb. Or city. MLK would cry if he saw what was going on. You don't have a fucking clue you damn idiot. And take your pussy shaming language somewhere else bitch. With 70% of the children being born to single parent households and sex used as a tool to for damn near anything where this ends is going to be horrific.

And yeah most of the problems we have are from young black males and females. Shoplifting, fighting at the drop of a hat and shooting each other over anything. Take your bitch ass over to 71st and Ashland and spout your crap. It won't play.

9:40 PM, January 22, 2012  
Blogger TMink said...

Actually, race is not the best predictor of a young man being a criminal. Not having a father is the best predictor.

It just so happens that most black women give birth to children without being married. So their male children are incarcerated when they grow up. It happens at the same rate to white kids who grow up without a dad.

You would think Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be all over this, talking about using birth control and being careful when you bring children into the world, but you hear narry a peep from them.

There is no profit in preaching self control and responsibility I guess.


5:35 PM, January 23, 2012  
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5:49 PM, January 23, 2012  
Blogger Cham said...

Every parent everywhere will get fed up with their own kids. The difference between those kids that thrive and those that will never thrive is how early in a child's life that a parent gives up. Legally, parents must clothe and feed kids up to age 18. Most of them will do that. But some parents at some point quit worrying whether their kids go to school, whether their kids abide by the law or even know where their kids are and what they are doing. The earlier this happens in a child's life the more likely a kid will be a drain on society. Poor single moms are likely to reach this point early, but that doesn't mean some two parent households won't reach it early too... Or wealthy two parent households where everyone gets a college degree (I'm sure we've all seen an example of this).

Once your kid is running loose at night terrorizing the neighborhood or having unprotected sex with a violent felon, then things have less of a chance of going well for the future.

7:52 PM, January 23, 2012  
Blogger TMink said...

"Poor single moms are likely to reach this point early, but that doesn't mean some two parent households won't reach it early too..."

Cham, statistics are meant to describe large groups of people. Statistics are wonderful at describing 1000 people, but useless in predicting either a single family or a small group of families.

Having said that, the problem is millions of kids growing up without a dad, so the statistics are really quite helpful and frankly chilling.


9:03 AM, January 24, 2012  
Blogger Cham said...

I agree with you about the statistics that tell us that children being raised by single mothers are more likely than other children to be poor adults and incarcerated. However, that isn't the only factor. I've seen enough kids from two parent households to end up in an equally bad way, and that is due to no oversight or bad oversight from their parents. Merely handing every kid a father isn't a panacea.

9:34 AM, January 24, 2012  
Blogger TMink said...

Panacea? No.

Best answer to the problem? Absolutely.

Unless you have a better solution.

And how exactly does one hand a child a father? 8)


11:05 AM, January 24, 2012  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Show me where I claimed anything different from what you are claiming in your comment. In fact, your comments are in total agreement with mine. Cham is claiming that whites are worse than non-whites and uses Wal-Mart as his example. And he uses anti-white racist language.

I called him on his bullshit and racism and now you're claiming my arguments are aligned with him and cussing at me in the process? Try improving your reading comprehending, you ass-clown, before you go off half cocked ranting about someone whose comments you clearly don't understand.

It's idiots like you, who haven't figured out how to read, that encourage racists like Cham.

12:05 PM, January 24, 2012  
Blogger bus28stuff said...

I work in prison ministry and at the unit where I facilitate class I have polled the inmates and 98 of 100 inmates (1 of 58 & 1 of 42)said that they grew up without a father. Statistics that I have been given by the unit state that children with fathers are 20 times more likely to be incarcated.

1:00 PM, January 24, 2012  

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