This movie trades on traditional values that place value on women as protectors of home and children while ignoring that it is the efforts of men, working and fighting elsewhere that make those roles for women possible. It chooses to say that one is good, while the other is simply disposable. This ignores that eventually, the "good role" becomes impossible if the supporting role of no value is not done. It is like placing all the value for the success of the movie on the star, while ignoring the rest of the cast. Very few movies succeed on the strength of a single actress. It is just one more thrust in the game of power politics.
When I said, "This movie trades on traditional values ...," I meant that it built its case by drawing on traditional values on the one hand, while ignoring another part of traditional values on the other hand.
As the loving step-Mom (custodial) of two amazing sons who are even now struggling through their teens as they try to define for themselves what it means to be a man in the world today...
... that video was extremely difficult for me to watch.
I had no idea -- truly I did not -- that we have so totally marginalized an entire half of the human race.
Very interesting video, but I think he misses the mark on the word "misandry". I checked both my 1981 and 1953 editions of Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, and "misandry" does not appear there, either. The word "misanthropy" does, as does the word "polyandry". Perhaps, since the narrator has a British accent, it shows up in the Oxford English Dictionary? (I just checked, and it does, but who makes MS Word? An American company).
In any case, it's a rather weak point when he has so many other, stronger points that do the job.
I checked both my 1981 and 1953 editions of Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, and "misandry" does not appear there, either.
Perhaps, since the narrator has a British accent, it shows up in the Oxford English Dictionary? (I just checked, and it does, but who makes MS Word? An American company). -- Thom
Actually, it's really quite effective in allowing people to (1) skim rapidly over comments not addressed to them, (2) catch the eye of the people who it IS addressed to and (3) give them a framework in which to read the comment.
Then again we have your 'at' (@) approach.
Personally. I think it's much more personable to talk TO someone than to talk AT them.
Regards,
Chuck(le) [We should treat people as if they are human beings. After all, they just might be such.]
Here's another example of how men, specifically boys, don't exist: American Profile magazine (americanprofile.com), one of those Sunday supplement types, has a cover story this week on how it's "nearly" the Girl Scout's 100th anniversary (in March two years from now). This is in the exact 100th anniversary month of the Boy Scouts! They couldn't have done the research on the founding of the Girl Scouts without finding that it came out of the Boy Scout movement exactly 100 years ago in February! Boy Scouts?, never heard of 'em.
From my Encarta 2005 encyclopedia article about the Taliban, we learn that one of the (many) problems faced by women was:
"[W]omen were forbidden to work outside their homes. In a country where hundreds of thousands of men had been killed in warfare, widows found themselves unable to work to provide basic necessities for their families."
Very interesting. For the record "misandry" and "misandrist" are not in my old paperback "Webster's New World Dictionary of the English Language - College Edition", copyright 1953-1968, 1700 pages. "Misogynist" and "misogynist" are present.
To expand on what Thom posted, the online OED cites the earliest print appearance of "misogyny" in 1656, that of "misogynist" in 1620, "misandry" in 1898 in an Iowa newspaper, and "misandrist" in 1952 in a California newspaper.
I don't consider most of the things in the video as misandry. Many are holdovers from the age of chivalry, like holding the door for women or walking on the outer edge of the sidewalk.
What I really resent, though is the kind associated with feminism. It's really turning a lot of men into models for beer commercials. Who'd have thought Budweiser would be promoting male stupidity or that FloTV would be putting so much money into denigrating girlfrieds?
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This movie trades on traditional values that place value on women as protectors of home and children while ignoring that it is the efforts of men, working and fighting elsewhere that make those roles for women possible. It chooses to say that one is good, while the other is simply disposable. This ignores that eventually, the "good role" becomes impossible if the supporting role of no value is not done. It is like placing all the value for the success of the movie on the star, while ignoring the rest of the cast. Very few movies succeed on the strength of a single actress. It is just one more thrust in the game of power politics.
Excellent link.
Dr. D. Your para is very confusing. "Trades on traditional values" how?
When I said, "This movie trades on traditional values ...," I meant that it built its case by drawing on traditional values on the one hand, while ignoring another part of traditional values on the other hand.
As the loving step-Mom (custodial) of two amazing sons who are even now struggling through their teens as they try to define for themselves what it means to be a man in the world today...
... that video was extremely difficult for me to watch.
I had no idea -- truly I did not -- that we have so totally marginalized an entire half of the human race.
It was sobering. I am very sad for my sons.
"This movie trades on traditional values that place value on women as protectors of home and children while ignoring that it is the efforts of men..."
Um, no. The video does not ignore male worth. Its whole point is that our culture ignores and denigrates males.
TO: Dr. Helen
RE: An Interesting Report
Goebbels would be proud of what has transpired.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Knowing there is a trap is the start of avoiding it.]
Very interesting video, but I think he misses the mark on the word "misandry". I checked both my 1981 and 1953 editions of Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, and "misandry" does not appear there, either. The word "misanthropy" does, as does the word "polyandry". Perhaps, since the narrator has a British accent, it shows up in the Oxford English Dictionary? (I just checked, and it does, but who makes MS Word? An American company).
In any case, it's a rather weak point when he has so many other, stronger points that do the job.
TO: Thom, et al.
RE: Windows MS Word vs. Mac OS X
I checked both my 1981 and 1953 editions of Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, and "misandry" does not appear there, either.
Perhaps, since the narrator has a British accent, it shows up in the Oxford English Dictionary? (I just checked, and it does, but who makes MS Word? An American company). -- Thom
It's in my Mac OS X Widgets dictionary.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Get a Mac!]
P.S. Thanks for providing another example of how...
Microsoft is EVIL!
@Chuck: Many heartfelt thanks for your last post, which was gloriously bereft of pretentious "memo" format.
Aaaaahhhhhh...............
TO: Kevin M
RE: 'Pretentious' Formating
Actually, it's really quite effective in allowing people to (1) skim rapidly over comments not addressed to them, (2) catch the eye of the people who it IS addressed to and (3) give them a framework in which to read the comment.
Then again we have your 'at' (@) approach.
Personally. I think it's much more personable to talk TO someone than to talk AT them.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[We should treat people as if they are human beings. After all, they just might be such.]
Here's another example of how men, specifically boys, don't exist: American Profile magazine (americanprofile.com), one of those Sunday supplement types, has a cover story this week on how it's "nearly" the Girl Scout's 100th anniversary (in March two years from now). This is in the exact 100th anniversary month of the Boy Scouts! They couldn't have done the research on the founding of the Girl Scouts without finding that it came out of the Boy Scout movement exactly 100 years ago in February!
Boy Scouts?, never heard of 'em.
From my Encarta 2005 encyclopedia article about the Taliban, we learn that one of the (many) problems faced by women was:
"[W]omen were forbidden to work outside their homes. In a country where hundreds of thousands of men had been killed in warfare, widows found themselves unable to work to provide basic necessities for their families."
wow. Just wow.
One can only imagine the hate mail you must get from misandrists for pointing this out.
Very interesting. For the record "misandry" and "misandrist" are not in my old paperback "Webster's New World Dictionary of the English Language - College Edition", copyright 1953-1968, 1700 pages. "Misogynist" and "misogynist" are present.
To expand on what Thom posted, the online OED cites the earliest print appearance of "misogyny" in 1656, that of "misogynist" in 1620, "misandry" in 1898 in an Iowa newspaper, and "misandrist" in 1952 in a California newspaper.
I don't consider most of the things in the video as misandry. Many are holdovers from the age of chivalry, like holding the door for women or walking on the outer edge of the sidewalk.
What I really resent, though is the kind associated with feminism. It's really turning a lot of men into models for beer commercials. Who'd have thought Budweiser would be promoting male stupidity or that FloTV would be putting so much money into denigrating girlfrieds?
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